Jump to content

first kirpan experience


rrss
 Share

Recommended Posts

So I got my first kirpan (standard shape). My first reactions:

Although it is a decent size, I was disappointed- it's not much of a 'weapon' at all.

I'm much better off protecting myself using unarmed combat than with a kirpan.

Also the standard gatra design doesn't seem to be very efficient. it would appear to come in the way if I had to fight hand to hand and present the possibility of getting caught onto something or be used to pull me. There are better ways to strap a knife onto the body.

I will be going to some classes to learn safe kirpan handling and use however I'm just not very impressed, especially as I've had an image of a menacing and very practical 'weapon' in my mind all these years (something more like a hunting knife)!

Is it just something to have to get used to?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes. As I said, the standard kirpan style doesn't do it for me and the way the gatra is designed is not very efficient in my view. A double sided sharp/serrated blade hunting knife in a leg strap sheath would be more practical and useful. I know some martial arts and really think that the kirpan+gatra as it is designed would be more of a hindrance in hand to hand combat than of much practical use.

Also is the kirpan meant to be really hard to pull out from it's sheath?

Maybe I just need to get used to it and find a way to make it work for me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's not much of a weapon to an unskilled and unfit person.

If you have even some martial arts knowledge, you can turn a pen into a lethal weapon.

I'm suspicious whether you're even a Sikh. ;)

Not a very useful comment. You did not comment on the efficiency of the gatra strap either.

It doesn't matter if you don't think I'm a Sikh. As long as Guru ji is happy I'm happy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-p22QPA3k

the kirpan just needs to be sharp. just learn how to use it effectivly, learn boxing etc. too or karate. if you are going through a rough area show the kirpan a bit. people ARE scared.

keys can be used as a weapon, even my baaj (thing you use to tuck hair into the pagh) can be used to hurt people (person experience :p).

Thanks, first serious comment so far! I am trained in Karate but I have not had formal weapons training.

I'm commenting specifically on the typical hand kirpan with curved tip and blade on one side. A double edged hunting knife with one serrated edge would in my view be more practical, even allowing for easy cutting through rope etc.

I have no intention to scare people or hurt them. Only if violence is authorised as per my understanding and with Guru's kirpa I would use a weapon. Let us look at 2 scenarios: 1. someone skilled in using kirpan + unarmed combat expert: I dont think kirpan person will stand a chance. 2. both highly skilled in unarmed combat: someone highly skilled in unarmed combat engaged in hand to hand fight in my experience would rather not use a small kirpan. That said my karate training makes me biased in this view.

As I said before, part of my disaapointment is due to my having built up a mental image of something else in my mind over the years.

Is there any rule that the kirpan and gatra must be of the standard style available to count as a kakkar?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • yeh it's true, we shouldn't be lazy and need to learn jhatka shikaar. It doesn't help some of grew up in surrounding areas like Slough and Southall where everyone thought it was super bad for amrit dharis to eat meat, and they were following Sant babas and jathas, and instead the Singhs should have been normalising jhatka just like the recent world war soldiers did. We are trying to rectifiy this and khalsa should learn jhatka.  But I am just writing about bhog for those that are still learning rehit. As I explained, there are all these negative influences in the panth that talk against rehit, but this shouldn't deter us from taking khanda pahul, no matter what level of rehit we are!
    • How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant? By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
    • Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?  Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
    • Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
    • Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use