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Waheguru Ji Ka khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I have lots of Gurus photos at home mostly cut out from the des pardes paper and from calenders etc, but I don't know what to do with them, I must have at least 15-20 photos mainly of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji but I have no space for these as my house is only small, I once heard that you should burn the photos and should not throw them in the bin, can some body please advise if this is okay to do, also what is the need to print the Guru's photos on newspapers and calendars etc, Also I have one photo which has the first 6 or 7 seven pauris of Sri Japji Sahib on it and this is ripped a bit so is it okay to burn this as well, also are these pictures true repersentation's of our gurus the below link is very good.

finally just to add there is a paper called mann jit weekly which some of the sangat must of heard off, this paper always has ik onkar printed in it, and I have ripped these out of the paper as well and I have loads of these is well, it is Bani at the end of the day and it is being disrespected by putting it in papers as most people throw papers in bins as well so is it okay to burn this as well.

Bhul chuk marf Karni sad sangat ji

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Yes we don't worship pictures but with that being said, guru maharaj in pictorial/artistic form invoke a devotional feeling inside- thats why we have pictorial representation of guru's, puratan shahids-murids, historical frescos/drawing of guru's maharaj, guru maharaj relics, iconic symbolism such as khanda,nishan sahib etc etc.

Now its kind of trend to say these days- we don't believe in pictures, rather we should be carefully drawing line and saying- all though we have our own share of sargun symbolism to invoke devotional feeling inside ultimately our goal is shabad guru.

So coming to the topic. Op needs to be honest with himself- if by looking at these pictures along with ikongkar in sargun(visible) saroop if it invokes devotional feeling inside than keep it with satkaar. If his avastha its more leaning towards shabad nirgun truly (not hybrid type) than go ahead agan bhet these pictures as too much wrapping your head around sarguna itself is a road block in one's spirituality..although sargun and nirgun is one but the idea is not to confine in it- get stuck wrapping your head around it but rather spontaneously go with the flow, read my sig for more info.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji,

Veerji, to answer on the pics, no these are not true representations. They are plain simply idols. An artist comes up with an impression of what he thinks someone looks like and we pass it off as the real mccoy, even though we know there were no cameras etc producing photos which the artists could then replicate. Ive seen people bowing to these pictures, doing toof bati to them, flower garlands etc etc- exact opposite of Gurmat. So unless these images have Ik Onkar or Khanday on them, which they usually do, i would tear these out and dispose of the images in whatever way- recycle! The Ik Onkar and bani: there is Agan Bhet or Jal Parvah (?). Maybe someone more knowledgable can help here.

Pul chuk maaf ji, forgive me if i offend anyone, if im wrong.

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Yes we don't worship pictures but with that being said, guru maharaj in pictorial/artistic form invoke a devotional feeling inside- thats why we have pictorial representation of guru's, puratan shahids-murids, historical frescos/drawing of guru's maharaj, guru maharaj relics, iconic symbolism such as khanda,nishan sahib etc etc.

Now its kind of trend to say these days- we don't believe in pictures, rather we should be carefully drawing line and saying- all though we have our own share of sargun symbolism to invoke devotional feeling inside ultimately our goal is shabad guru.

So coming to the topic. Op needs to be honest with himself- if by looking at these pictures along with ikongkar in sargun(visible) saroop if it invokes devotional feeling inside than keep it with satkaar. If his avastha its more leaning towards shabad nirgun truly (not hybrid type) than go ahead agan bhet these pictures as too much wrapping your head around sarguna itself is a road block in one's spirituality..although sargun and nirgun is one but the idea is not to confine in it- get stuck wrapping your head around it but rather spontaneously go with the flow, read my sig for more info.

Singh, you're making it more complicated and wishy washy than it really is. No such thing as idol worship in Sikhi which is why Guru Sahiban didn't have their portraits painted.

Do you think if mere egotistical warriors like Alexander the Great can get statues/paintings made of them our Guru Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj couldn't get a painting done of himself to fulfill the "sargun saroop" of Guru Sahib. No.

Paintings are mere depictions of history and satkaar/representations of Guru Sahiban. They aren't anywhere close to being Sargun forms of Guru Sahiban. I have paintings of Guru Sahiban and they are respected, but never worshipped. Many people mistakenly do ardaas or matha tek to mere paintings.

There's a reason why Guru Sahib sat below Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and never got their paintings made. Sargun/nirgun saroop of Guru Sahib is Dhan Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

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It's good to understand sargun and nirgun concept clearly in sikhi in its totality, than shove sargun aspect of sikhi under the carpet or blame outsiders (how convenient) . If sikhs would understand this relationship in its totality- we wouldn't have half of the problems within youths that we do now. I mean literally, thats what teja singh bhausaria did- he shun everything to do with sargun in sikhi under the carpet/demonize it/ so much so tried removing all sargun references from gurbani- everyone including taksal, nihangs vehemently opposed him and his mindset but look whats happening now. I am sorry to say- bhasuaria mindset in the panth is more dangerous threat than congress/rss combined.

Anyway i don't want sound too rhetoric here but its good to give student full view of gurmat than influence the student in one aspect of sikhi only to find student itself in many road blocks later on in the stage in sikhi. That's why in puratan times- sargun and nirgun concept of sikhi was explained in its totality before giving them lecture- do and don't like protestants do..!!

I mean whether we like it or not- everything is idol and idol worshiping as pretty much human mind itself is sargun- its just some are more evident than others (subtle forms)- can anyone here on forum or else where among youths can truly claim they are truly full nirgun shabad upasakhs..most of them think they are but pretty much sargun based...except may be 10% of sikhs who understand and but more importantly by guru kirpa understand the khel of sargun and nirgun..!!

But i do realize now may be op is quite beginner to sikhi and my prior post might across as complicated and confusing. I apologize for that..next time i will pay much more attention to the crowd i am addressing to..!!

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Singh, you're making it more complicated and wishy washy than it really is. No such thing as idol worship in Sikhi which is why Guru Sahiban didn't have their portraits painted.

Do you think if mere egotistical warriors like Alexander the Great can get statues/paintings made of them our Guru Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj couldn't get a painting done of himself to fulfill the "sargun saroop" of Guru Sahib. No.

Paintings are mere depictions of history and satkaar/representations of Guru Sahiban. They aren't anywhere close to being Sargun forms of Guru Sahiban. I have paintings of Guru Sahiban and they are respected, but never worshipped. Many people mistakenly do ardaas or matha tek to mere paintings.

There's a reason why Guru Sahib sat below Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and never got their paintings made. Sargun/nirgun saroop of Guru Sahib is Dhan Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

You're wrong. You're stuck in the tribal mindset of the shariapanthi pot-bellied so-called Singhs

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You're wrong. You're stuck in the tribal mindset of the shariapanthi pot-bellied so-called Singhs

No he is 100% right about sargun saroop of guru being sri guru granth sahib ji i don't have any disagreement in that..!!..the question here comes down to is all ten guru sahib sargun roopi avatars are in confined in sri guru granth sahib ji(wait a minute which one- pad ched or larivar dubta tut tut..lol ) or sarabvyapak?

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rather than over complicating things, just burn the pictures. they are representing something, even if those pictures look nothing like the gurus. burn all of it.

I don't think there is anything wrong at all with pictures or even keeping them inside the Langar halls and stuff, but I just believe they should never be worshiped as idols. They are powerful tools of portraying history and there is nothing at all wrong with it.

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