Sikh girls marrying out of religion

[luckysingh99]

It's both the boys and girls, but it just hurts more when we physically see a girl with a hindu or gora.

I blame the parents becuse they are either too busy making money for no one, because it only gets abused later, OR they are just too busy watching crappy indian tv channels and lose contact with reality.

Don't blame the kids, blame the parents and blame ourselves.

This is definitely going to get worse and will be on the rise with future generations to come. I can easily see that in 3 generations there will hardly be any true sikh families, where both parents, kids and grandkids all practice sikhi.

[Wales85]

Coming from a different perspective on this...

There are virtually no resources (save online forums such as this) for Non sikhs who marry sikhs and DESIRE to raise their children sikh. If you live far away from your wives family, or her family is not particularly religious, you are kind of out of luck. Sangat at gurdwaras do not want to touch this issue, at least at the gurdwaras I have been to. You have basically no resources, no organized framework to catch the children of these intermarriages and help them. Other religions do have these systems in place.

Someone gave the jews as an example. Jews actively seek to integrate and educate intermarried couples, hence you have fully 50% of jews marrying non jews, yet the culture is still strong and the religion is passed down. In MANY cases, the spouse ends up converting. Google jewish intermarriage, you will be amazed. This has been happening for a very long time.

Intermarriage is going to happen in a multicultural society, it just will. No religion is immune from it. The religion can come out stronger because of it, or weaker, but it happens to every religious community and it will continue to happen to sikhs as well.

[genie]

The problem is deeper than that it .......all boils down to the actual definition of a Sikh, when the current rehit maryada was drawn up by SGPC in 1950s it made such a big divide in the Sikh population that many Sikhs were considered themselves Sikhs were now seen as hindu punjabis because by definition they were not khalsa Sikhs and those keeping kesh and dastaar regarded as true Sikhs which was nonsense and still is nonsense to this day. So generations pass, hindu-sikh conflicts take place in punjab because of this divide, issues of Khalistan arise, and western born desi Sikhs aboard are messed up because they are told by some fundemtalist egotistical amrithdhari sikhs that they are not true Sikhs if they do not keep kesh or take amrit etc so they are marginalised about 85%+ of the Sikh population has been left neglected this created a culture where these Sikhs look for other lifestyles like western christian/atheist hedonistic anything goes culture their music is from black rap stars talking about getting laid, taking drugs, drinking in a club, killing other gangsters and those who disrespect them.

.... and you have this big mess where these mona sahejdhari girls are drawn to all the gandh all the worst in society rather than looking for the goodness that their religion delivers because they been so marginalized and neglected for too long and so when it comes to finding a partner and marriage they do not think that their Sikh religion requires them to marry a fellow Sikh because they have lived the gandh lifestyle and besides most Sikh guy will not want to marry a girl who has been used by every tom, dewayne, harry because she will raise kids in similar gandh lifestyle. Also their aspirations are different to what their mums and grandmothers generation was, they go travelling around the world, have careers and when its comes to settling down they start to panic as they have neglected their duties the community to their faith they supposedly belong to so they get with any non-sikh chancer who gives them attention and their parents often let them do that because they dont want to see their daughter unmarried all her life.

So the problem is a deep rooted one and one can only be solved when the more these sehajdhari females themselves wake up and realise they are killing and destroying Sikhi themselves no one else is they can not blame men on this one either they organise themselves to empower their fellow sisters in faith in finding Sikh partners or see their community and faith eroded and ultimately they will have to answer for it in Waheguru's court once their precious human life is taken away from them which can happen any time just read the newspapers how death can come in an instance when you minding your own business and enjoying a materialist life.

In simple terms men are surplus stock in this world and society to seed a woman is what the DNA of a man is programmed to do and after that their human biological job is over after the woman is pregnant then it takes one good woman to raise a good wholesome family in a good wholesome Sikh family orientated environment and that is what not being taught to these young impressionable females who are left do what the gandh environment which tells them its ok to do whatever they desire because in atheism in Christianity YOLO you only live once.

If you want to see how to do things the right way look at the islamic or jewish model how they programmed and feed their women propaganda to make their women natured into thinking they must marry a jewish / muslim guy or convert them to their religion. This strategy has been successful for them, and one the Sikh community's leaders and scholars needs to pay serious attention to in implementing. Sikh males for their part must actively ensure non-sikh women their in relationships with learn about Sikhs and convert in order to marry. And those Sikh guys struggling to find a suitable marriage partner should look at marrying a non-sikh black or white woman and bring them into the Sikh fold.

[Sherdil]

These threads seem to be the most popular. I wonder why?

There are so many of them, that it is getting embarrassing.

It's okay if some people want to discuss these matters on the Internet, but when is somebody actually going to do something about it?

[Guest sandeep]

really shame on that girls and their parents

[Guest Guest]

This is a controversial subject- I dont know what ages all these replies are coming from but the views are very narrow minded. Understanding is key. I am a young Sikh girl and I have been very confused from day one about practising my religion and practising culture. They are two very different things. I am non practising and I LOVE my religion so much I could burst with pride. It is a beautiful religion which has been tarred and chopped and changed by people with a horrible arrogance. Parents pass on their views and ideologies to their children,this includes an arrogance about their own religion and mixed views. Culture is NOT the same as religion.

A culture of uncles and dads who drink after going to the gurdwara at wedding recpetions and eat meat and cut their hair. The same goes for women- they all do the same and yet expect their children to hold their heads high and know the true values of sikhism. Parents do not practice what they preach to their children. We learn by example not just by being told. Get your heads out of the sky and stop being so arrogant-face your judgements you place on people in society. Stop gossiping at the gurdwara and stop bitching about other peoples wealth or all that other superficial stuff.

Sikhism is a beautiful peaceful logical honest and intelligent religion. Move it with the times and dont bring this stupid culture of forced arranged marriage or putting uneccessary pressure on the next generation of sikh children. I will keep my faith alive in my children and teach them nothing but love and educate them about the best of it, Trust your children to be intellifgent and give them faith in what we believe in.

[DalbirSingh]

I think the only thing that can be done is sikh men marry out aswell, there loads of polish women who love sikh men, some goris do the muslim girls are too much hassle they will try convert you or get their family on you. Otherwise there are going to be alot of men unmarried our population is going to be disturbed by the looks of things, some guys seem to be importing wives in the diaspora but it's only going to change things from the country of import be it india or somewhere else.

Maybe the reason why so many people create these threads is because we have people who spend too much time on the internet and think they can't get a wife or partner yet when they try they are so out of practice with talking to the opposite gender that they repulse them regardless of religion, other races are probably more nicer simply because they don't want to be labelled as racists and want to better relations between races.

Men are surplus in punjabi sikhs and women are surplus by the polish problem solved we mix. Let the women convert to islam and wear burkas they are backwards, plus they will probably be the downfall of islam some time in the future.

[Palarmux]

I dont see anything bad marrying boy/girl from foreign religion, as long as she/he is not trying to convert them to another religion.

If I someday become a sikh, I probably never find sikh girl at here in Finland.

[Guest final destination]

this might sound harsh end of the day dont matter if your black or white or desi as long as your a Sikh you are allowed to marry another Sikh. if your of Sikh heritage but have a non-sikh partner who doesnt want to convert to Sikhism or marry you then to hell with you and your parents and your so called Sikh pride because you dont have any... a real Sikh would make 100% sure their future partner is a fellow Sikh or definitely will become a Sikh for their own spiritual sake, marriage and raising of kids etc.

[VanHelsingh]

You know you've found a good 'un when she says she'll convert to your religion without you even asking her.

Of course as a responsible Sikh it must be made clear Sikhi is followed because of a devotion to the Path, and not because of love for a man.