Shastarvidiya - In West Midlands ?

[Cisco_Singh]

Thats excactly my point we're talking about leaning a martial art here not about Sikhi or Kamaiy..Both your own Sikhi and Kamai is personal to an individual, you got to be pretty stupid to believe that consumption of alcohol is permitted or encouraged in Sikhi, it's obviously not.
No different from if you went to learn KungFu from a drunken monk...does that mean that you should be a Alcoholic as well ? Or should you use your own brain and learn the Kung-fu ? Theres a degree of seperation from the personal life and views and actions of a individual and their career.

"excess alcohol is no good for fitness and training" Cisco my friend you are seriously lost my brother and your cloak does not make your intentions invisable! "Excess" implies that "a small amount" or "some" is ok for a person. For a "Gursikh" to imply this, just shows that value of that persons kamaiy and Sikhi. Another bit of proof that people should stay well clear of surjit sin

[Shaheed Singh Khalsa]

Thats excactly my point we're talking about leaning a martial art here not about Sikhi or Kamaiy..Both your own Sikhi and Kamai is personal to an individual, you got to be pretty stupid to believe that consumption of alcohol is permitted or encouraged in Sikhi, it's obviously not.

No different from if you went to learn KungFu from a drunken monk...does that mean that you should be a Alcoholic as well ? Or should you use your own brain and learn the Kung-fu ? Theres a degree of seperation from the personal life and views and actions of a individual and their career.

So you don’t agree that an "Gursikh" individuals Martial discipline cannot be separated from that persons Sikhi & kamaiy (from a Sikh perspective that is)?? We all know the consumption or Drugs and Alcohol are strictly not permitted in Sikhi, but that isn't what I or Bhai Taran Singh are questioning here, so stop playing silly buggers and deflecting dumbo. As for drunken master or kungfu these are of course brilliant martial traditions, but the fact remains that they do not have the same miri piri link to Waheguru the way that Gursikhi or the martial traditions of a Sikh does. You can consume whatever you want and be a master of those oriental arts with no problemo, but you cannot consume alcohol or drugs and be a Sikh martial traditions master - period. So if someone wishes to have the career of a "Shastar Vidiyah master" (and the last living one at that) and claims to be a "Gursikh" (one with such unadulterated access to young, impressionable Sikh children such as surjit does), then that persons "behind closed door" actions and views are very important to be available to the sadh sangat, so that they can make a fully informed decision about the character of such masters!!

[singh245]

shastar vidya is a load of rubbish. Learn how to dance around with 16th century weapons.... oh yeh thats really practical isnt it? Its no different from those karate and kung fu boys that dance around in funny costumes and spend 30 years doing it but get slapped up like little kids when they get into a real confrontation.

shastar vidya - yeh it looks attractive, alluring and too good to be true. In reality its no different from all the other fake con martial arts that you find out there. Its more suited to wierdo geeks that want to dress up like Nihangs with the full kitchen set and post pictures on facebook than real fighters..... makes me laugh when I see them. They remind of me of some geeks I used to know at Uni that did ninjitsu and thought they had some secret deadly knowlege and used to train in black masks etc. What a joke!

go head dude challenge nidar singh... he might have f'ed up ideology he is actually good at what he does.

[Shaheed Singh Khalsa]

go head dude challenge nidar singh... he might have f'ed up ideology he is actually good at what he does.

That my young brother is called an Oxymoron. But those that believe that baba surjits "f'ed up ideology" can be ignored and that its ok to learn from him just because he's good at what he does, is just a plain and simple mo-ron.

[singh245]

That my young brother is called an Oxymoron. But those that believe that baba surjits "f'ed up ideology" can be ignored and that its ok to learn from him just because he's good at what he does, is just a plain and simple mo-ron.

I am pointing out the fact that this guy has betan all gatka masters no one has challeged him and beat him yet. well knowledge is knowledge little simple minded brother. in kaal jug you should get knowledge from where ever you can if someone is giving it to you.

[Shaheed Singh Khalsa]

I am pointing out the fact that this guy has betan all gatka masters no one has challeged him and beat him yet. well knowledge is knowledge little simple minded brother. in kaal jug you should get knowledge from where ever you can if someone is giving it to you.

Your grasp of the english language is second to none! The fact that surjit has "betan" all gatka master is open to debate my friend. The fact that no one has challanged him, may have something to do with the fact that most sane minded Gursikhs are well aware of the old saying - "if you roll around with pigs, you will stand up smelling of <banned word filter activated>".

Also the fact that you choose to ignore his "f'ed up ideology" (your words, not mine), just show what kind of grip kaal yug has on you and your plain and simple mind.

Ps. If you are looking for some additional knowledge, I have heard of this group called the BNP, who I'm sure will be more than happy to give you some knowledge about where nice little brown fella's like you should go back to!

[kullykhalsa]

wow shaheed singh if this is the way you treat people im sure you sikhi ideology is a messed up as niddar! the singh above in my opinion posted a genuine opinion but you shot him down with little/no respect and really a rather shockingly unlogical approach

now the one problem we really have as a panth is the fact we cannot disagree and be happy you are NOT someone we have to explain our personal sikhi to instead i would advise you to look after your own jeevan

i understand you disagree with niddar but im suprised considering his classes are mostly aimed at older singh, if you really were as brave as our sikh martyrs then you would face any foe if you seriously considered him a problem, i am thinking about attending his class in blakenhall in wolverhampton this thursday as posted above (1st time) im wiling to meet you outside and stand alongside you if you wish to discuss with the students your problems as posted above by you numerous times? please pm me if this sounds like a compromise ill pm you bk my number?

[Shaheed Singh Khalsa]

Kulfi - I love the way to surjitists all come along like buses at once and then all skate around the facts raised like armature Torvill and Dean’s... Vah Vah! Don’t worry about my Jeevan my friend, just like I told you before, I think you need to concentrate on yours with the mental focus of yoda.

So now let’s examine what you and your fellow surjitists have posted:

So when bhai Taran stated the facts about surjits penchant for chivas regal, kaka cisco stated “The alcohol stories about the Niddar Singh are pretty sensationalised though. Im not doubting if he drinks alcohol or not, but i've never heard the use of alcohol encouraged in his classes or any claims that you must drink to be a warrior...then again I only went to a few classes and this was over 2 years ago. I actually have personally heard the opposite said in classes..i.e: excess alcohol is no good for fitness and training”

Firstly I have to wonder why a person who has only been to a “few of surjit’s classes” takes so much time and valor to defend someone he has had so little contact with over two years ago. Secondly when I question kaka cisco’s use on the word “excess” when describing surjits stance on alcohol consumption,

He gives me some mickey mouse answer “we're talking about leaning a martial art here not about Sikhi or Kamaiy..Both your own Sikhi and Kamai is personal to an individual, you got to be pretty stupid to believe that consumption of alcohol is permitted or encouraged in Sikhi, it's obviously not.”… If that’s the case then why use the word excess?? The text book definition of excess is “More than is necessary, normal, or desirable; immoderate”

Anyway as you have now picked up the sword in your fellow surjitists defence, please answer the question I put to him:

“Do you believe that a "Gursikh" individuals Martial discipline can be separated from that persons Sikhi & kamaiy (from a Sikh perspective that is)??”

Now on to singh245, to who’s rescue you have come so beautifully. He starts off with the following:

“go head dude challenge nidar singh... he might have f'ed up ideology he is actually good at what he does”

So from your opening statement you believe that this is a genuine opinion, really? An opinion of what exactly, a stone? So the guy starts off trying to get someone in to a confrontation and then goes on to say that surjit has an “f'ed up ideology” (again his words, not mine), but then finishes off stating but he’s good and what he does… Need I say any more? We all know surjits silly little games in calling the authorities when challenged, so most Singhs choose not to roll around with pigs as I said before.

Now this is my actual reply to his comment, please tell me what part of these statements is “unlogical” – “That my young brother is called an Oxymoron. But those that believe that baba surjits "f'ed up ideology" can be ignored and that its ok to learn from him just because he's good at what he does, is just a plain and simple mo-ron” That all seems pretty straight forward and logical to me buddy!!!!!

I also made a comment about the young man’s grasp of the English language, so please feel free to point out the “unlogical” point made here too.

Now as for coming to meet you or any of your fellow surjitists, I will state this once again for you - I have no interest in rolling around with pigs as I like the lenor fresh smell of my clothes thank you very much + I now know the surjitists tactics too well, so “Compooter says NO”

[singh245]

Your grasp of the english language is second to none! The fact that surjit has "betan" all gatka master is open to debate my friend. The fact that no one has challanged him, may have something to do with the fact that most sane minded Gursikhs are well aware of the old saying - "if you roll around with pigs, you will stand up smelling of <banned word filter activated>".

Also the fact that you choose to ignore his "f'ed up ideology" (your words, not mine), just show what kind of grip kaal yug has on you and your plain and simple mind.

Ps. If you are looking for some additional knowledge, I have heard of this group called the BNP, who I'm sure will be more than happy to give you some knowledge about where nice little brown fella's like you should go back to!

oh ok yes i have a few mis spellings didn't bother to spell check was in a hurry... grammar nazi much. Are you a 2nd grade teacher. If not i see a bright future in education for u! and bro even evil people have some gunn.... a smart man learns what he can about his enemies and doesn't hide and attack him on the internet.

[singh245]

oh ok yes i have a few mis spellings didn't bother to spell check was in a hurry... grammar nazi much. Are you a 2nd grade teacher. If not i see a bright future in education for u! and bro even evil people have some gunn.... a smart man learns what he can about his enemies and doesn't hide and attack him on the internet.

Im in the states so i have never been to his classes.. but i have heard things about him. I was curious. I help run a non profit here for underage sikh youth. I even tried to bring him here to the states was in talk with his peeps. His peeps got Spooked after i started asking questions about his ideology. The reason i wanted him here was to expose his ideology and see for my self.If you have any background in martial arts you will understand his skill. There have been rumors that some singhs in india are getting ready to challenge him.... like i said know thy enemy.