Prachin Panth Prakash.

[luckysingh99]

But whats the truth?

We can't just believe what we want to believe !!

We should read and study as many historical texts as we can before making up our own mind.

We should take it in and then move forward, rather than rejecting what we don't agree with at the first instance.

There are many other accounts of meat eating and mahaprashaad,besides jhatka is done openly at hazoor sahib. I don't think it's wise to go into them now due to forum guidelines.

As for the opium, well this is one of the oldest painkillers and still is today. Warriors in the jungle using raw opium to alleviate extreme pain symptoms is NOT drug abuse or recreational 'doddha' use is it ??

Gurmat does not say anything about medicines or to abstain from using, but it instructs us not to play with mind altering chemicals which is simple abuse.

Study as many historical texts as possible and then put the information in line with gurmat from SGGS. Then make up your mind.

[luckysingh99]

According to him Guru Gobind Singh Ji came to him in disguise of a Sikh. Stayed the night at his place and left in the morning. They left a bag. When opened the bag contained sources regarding maharaj's life. He (Kavi Ji) had finished Nanak Prakash Granth and Suraj Prakash. He only needed confirmation on a few aspects of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's earthly sojourn. The material in the bag provided it.

I'm not sure that he would have been considered a great historian as well as a scholar if this was true. He would simply be someone who got lucky by finding such bag and that would help conclude his research !!

I don't think so and find it hard to believe because researchers do not go bywhat they find in a bag !!!!

Anyway, these accounts in PPP for Banda Bahadur and Guru Gobind Singh ji..etc.etc... have been put together from many persian, mughal and sikh sources. I woudl assume that we are getting the majority of information in good faith and accuracy in his sense.

[akalinihang96]

Rattan Singh Bhangu author of prachin panth Prakash was the grandson of Bhai mehtab Singh who with Sukha Singh beheaded Massa Ranger. A lot is written by Bhangu & Kavi Ji about Akali Nihang Singh maryada that the wider panth most likely will not accept or agree with. It is important to accept that the Akali Nihangs are a distinct military order created to serve & protect Dharam & thier maryada is not the same as a civilian Sikhs because they carry out a different function.

In those days not every Singh became Shaheed. Some suffered injuries such as cut of arms or legs and unlike today did not have hospitals where they would be administered pain killers such as morphine etc. Opium & Sukha are natural products derived from nature & are excellent pain killers hence there use. From my knowledge the fauj use to carry with them haldi, salt, neem & sukha to help clean & heal wounds. Mahaprashad was initiated by Guru Hargobind Sahib at Akal Bunga when the Akal Sena was formed & thier warfare training started.

[Guest dasguruka]

Not true. Rubbish. Incorrect. False.

[Guest]

Rattan Singh Bhangu author of prachin panth Prakash was the grandson of Bhai mehtab Singh who with Sukha Singh beheaded Massa Ranger. A lot is written by Bhangu & Kavi Ji about Akali Nihang Singh maryada that the wider panth most likely will not accept or agree with. It is important to accept that the Akali Nihangs are a distinct military order created to serve & protect Dharam & thier maryada is not the same as a civilian Sikhs because they carry out a different function.

In those days not every Singh became Shaheed. Some suffered injuries such as cut of arms or legs and unlike today did not have hospitals where they would be administered pain killers such as morphine etc. Opium & Sukha are natural products derived from nature & are excellent pain killers hence there use. From my knowledge the fauj use to carry with them haldi, salt, neem & sukha to help clean & heal wounds. Mahaprashad was initiated by Guru Hargobind Sahib at Akal Bunga when the Akal Sena was formed & thier warfare training started.

Nihangs are not a distinct order.They are the same as the Khalsa and took khande di pahul amrit like every other Amritdhari.I love Nihangs from the bottom of My heart but they are no different than me or you.

[akalinihang96]

Not true. Rubbish. Incorrect. False.

Rattan Singh Bhangu & Kavi Santokh Singh must also be wrong..... Your right tho because your a 'proper' Sikh

[akalinihang96]

Nihangs are not a distinct order.They are the same as the Khalsa and took khande di pahul amrit like every other Amritdhari.I love Nihangs from the bottom of My heart but they are no different than me or you.

"hum akali sub ke vali, humra panth 'niaraa' hai...." (Nihang Singh bola that forms part of 'salok dumalle da')

The 'panth' spoken of here is the Khalsa panth, read through history and you will see that the Akali Nihangs are the Khalsa panth, not what is considered 'Khalsa' today. Baba Nihal Singh has said this, baba Santa Singh also. Even Giani thakur Singh and baba hari Singh have said that the original Khalsa was the Akali Nihangs in thier katha. There's even a Sakhi of Dhan Dhan Baba Thakur Singh ji saying that the Akali Nihangs were the original Khalsa who we all come from.

[chatanga]

are you sure your citation from PPP is correct....it seems like the parsang of Ghanni Khan and Nabhi Khan and Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee enacting as an Uch Da Pir after machiwara......Here meat was offered by muslims as halaal meat and Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh jee turned it into Pancha Amrit Karah Parshad. At machiwarra Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji offered coins to a man to stop him from exposing the Guru to the evil regime. Guru Sahib eventually did chatka stroke with his shamsheer sword and killed him.

the sakhi in PPP states that the muslims gave Guru Ji and the SIkhs some meat to eat, but the Sikhs said the pir is keeping roza, but then the muslims said you eat. The Sikhs said to the Guru protect us, and Guru Ji replied do tegha of the food beofre you eat it. So the SIkhs did this and the muslims replied what ios this you are doing? The Sikhs said this is the latest trend to come from Mecca, and so the muslims asked no more.

That is the story of Macchiwara.

But for eye-witness historical account read Amarnamah written by Dhadi Nath Mal.

[akalinihang96]

the sakhi in PPP states that the muslims gave Guru Ji and the SIkhs some meat to eat, but the Sikhs said the pir is keeping roza, but then the muslims said you eat. The Sikhs said to the Guru protect us, and Guru Ji replied do tegha of the food beofre you eat it. So the SIkhs did this and the muslims replied what ios this you are doing? The Sikhs said this is the latest trend to come from Mecca, and so the muslims asked no more.

That is the story of Macchiwara.

But for eye-witness historical account read Amarnamah written by Dhadi Nath Mal.

If I'm not mistaken this is where Gurdwara 'kirpan bhet' is too mark that incident.

However, the story of mahraj eating Mahaprashad whilst staying at the house of a khattri is also recorded in PPP

[Jangal Da]

I wrote about the sakhi of Macchiwara a few years ago on this site as per Bhangu's PPP. Here is the link: