History of Taksal.

[13Mirch]

Are there any historical sources such as hukamnamas etc concerning Damdami Taksal?

[Jangal Da]

No hukumnamas. Their history is easily available with a quick google search.

Eg

http://www.jathashaheedan.com/jotaksal.php

The puratan lineage before the 20th century is not traceable, but is probably either through direct or indirect learning through the mahapurukhs and hence the tradition that is still claimed.

[Shaheed Singh Khalsa]

Jangal paaji - the first blog you provided (http://damdami-bhind...blogspot.co.uk/) in its reference's at the foot of the page, links directly to nang nadars sarbloh website as its first reference point. I think we need to be careful who we reference as saach when looking at the past and our history

[Mehtab Singh]

I think Sant Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa Bhindranwale did a katha on the itihaas of Damdami Taksal? Or was it Sant Kartar Singh Jee Khalsa?

[Lion of Punjab]

No hukumnamas. Their history is easily available with a quick google search.

Eg

http://damdami-bhind...blogspot.co.uk/

http://www.jathashah...om/jotaksal.php

The puratan lineage before the 20th century is not traceable, but is probably either through direct or indirect learning through the mahapurukhs and hence the tradition that is still claimed.

what you on about ?

Their lineage goes all the way back to baba deep singh - so i dont know where you got this 20th century stuff from

[N30S1NGH]

Damdami taksal orginal name is Gyani samparda going back to baba deep singh ji time and bhai mani singh ji time..!!

Paira Singh Padam does not talk about damdami taksal being an samparda in his Sikh Sampardavli pustak nor bhai kahn singh nabha talks about damdami taksal being an samparda but gyani samparda's. Damdami taksal is just like rara sahib upsamparda of nirmale, most of previous jathedards such as sant bishan singh ji muralewale were consider nirmale and part of nihang misals.

Damdami taksal branch itself is consider cousin of Nirmale because of nirmale influences. Please read lifes of mahapursh in damdami taksal prior to 1900's such as sant sunder singh ji bhindranwale, sant bishan singh ji- they all had nirmale teachers all dressed in sadhu bana (white). They are deep rooted Nirmale order. Damdami taksal and Nirmale cross platform all the time thats how seamless their relationship is..great sants like sant bishan singh ji muralewale and sant sunder singh ji all had nirmale teachers. Sant bishan singh ji is even consider nirmala...all damdami taksal mahapursh have intertwined/cross platform relationship with nirmale except for sant kartar singh ji bhindranwale and sant jarnail singh ji bhindranwale as per according to time of dharam yudh morcha.

Nirmale order is as important as damdami taksal order(lineage). One comes from bhai dya singh ji and bhai dharam singh ji (two of panj pyres) and other- taksal comes from baba deep singh ji/bhai mani singh ji. They cross platform all the time, the relationship is quite seamless.

According to Taran Singh and Harbans Singh the two main branches of the Giani sampradaya are the one founded by Baba Deep Singh Ji, the Bhindranwale-Damdami Taksal and the Amristar branch founded by Bhai Mani Singh.

Sant mohan singh ji Bhindranwale Taksal of Sant Sundar Singh is still recognised as Nirmalas by the Nirmala sampradaya and still consider themselves as Nirmalas. The difference between both lineages is just according to times and need- Sant Mohan Singh Bhindranwale tries to perserve the scholarly tradition of Gyani samparda, but mehta by Sant Kartar Singh Bhindranwale of Damdami Taksal had to rightly and understandably had to pick up piri in dharam yudh morcha according to the times so rightly priority was speak against injustice so vidya aspect was slightly compromised..senior taksalis from mehta acknowledge this..!!

Regarding the Amritsar branch of the Giani sampradaya Taran Singh mentions masters such as Sant Kirpal Singh and Sant Amir Singh as being part of that lineage when in fact they were Sevapanthis so even gyani samparda have cross platform relations with nirmale and sevapanthis there were no issue before as relationship was seamless, its all inter connected- nirmale, sevapanthis, taksali were all inter-connected.

http://www.sikhaware...e-and-taksalis/

[Jangal Da]

Jangal paaji - the first blog you provided (http://damdami-bhind...blogspot.co.uk/) in its reference's at the foot of the page, links directly to nang nadars sarbloh website as its first reference point. I think we need to be careful who we reference as saach when looking at the past and our history

You are correct - my fault for not observing that. I have removed that link.

[innergear]

Look at Wiki def. It is mor info on it. Sory no can paste link

[Shaheed Singh Khalsa]

You are correct - my fault for not observing that. I have removed that link.

Nice one bro

[Only five]

Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh ||

I don't mean to start the argument all over, so please forgive me. After all the argument on here about which Sampardayee is Sikh and if Udasis and Nirmale are Sikhs i decided to ask my Sathya Teacher. Since he took Santhya from Vade Mahapurash, i asked him what their Veechar was on the above stated Sikhs. He said Mahapurash used to tell them that there are 4 types of Sikhs: Udasis, Nirmale, Sehaj Dhari, Khande (Amrit) Dhari. All of them have different Maryadas.

Please do not argue over this. I just wanted to put it put there.

Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh ||

The issue arises when Udhasis and Nirmale say they are not required to take Amrit and then Udhasis bow to Sri Chand (accept him as Guru) and Nirmale try to describe Veda and other religious text as equal to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj.

Nirmale in Guru's times were no different than other Singhs. Nirmale took Amrit from the Punj Pyare and had the same Maryada as Taksal Singhs. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj taught Baba Deep Singh ji Maharaj, who is the 2nd Jathedar of the Taksal (first being Guru Sahib himself). In Baba Deep Singh ji Maharaj's time the Nirmale were Amritdhari, they did not just teach, they were shastardhari. Nihang Singhs major role was to fight, Taksal Singhs was to teach Sikhs, and Nirmale SINGHS was to spread Sikhi far and wide. However all jathas took roles of being teachers, fighting in battles and spreading Sikhi far and wide. The Nihang Singhs, Taksal Singhs, and Nirmale Singhs were all taught by the first Jathedar of DamDami Taksal, Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Sahib ji Maharaj. Then later Baba Deep Singh ji Maharaj took on the seva as Jathedar of Taksal. Baba Gurbaksh Singh Ji Maharaj another Singh who fought with his head off, also took vidiya from Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj and then later became the Jathedar of Taksal as well.

Nirmale were also led by an Amritdhari Singh (Sriman Baba Sahib Singh ji Bedi) at the time of the Jathedar of the Taksal was Sant Giani Sant Singh ji.

Take for example the Naamdhari incident. Baba Ram Singh ji was a Gursikh. Shastardhari, Amritdhari and fully followed rehat. But what do "his" followers do now? Kirpan is off, bow to fake Gurus, and disrespect Gurbani. If they truly followed Bhai Ram Singh ji, then you would not know the difference between a Singh and Naamdharis.

The udhasis and Nirmale (Mostly these to groups) of today, along with some self claimed Nihang Singhs and Taksal Singhs are trying to suck Sikhs into Hinduism.

Why are Sikhs today so against Nirmale. It is because they have forgotten their roots of being Amritdhari Singhs.