Important note regarding few recent shady topics getting closed

[kullykhalsa]

logically rationally what PAL 07 says is right, but this forum has proven time and again when it comes to individuals the conversation NEVER stays sensible i mean look at yesterday someone threatened N30singh who i believe is one of the most unbiased contributors to this forum, for saying he disagreed with their opinion on an individual

[guruvah]

I received a intimidation/threat type post by my fellow member on this forum. Anything is being logged/noted regarding that so that you guys can keep close eye? I don't want you guys to put that member under moderation ban him or anything like that as i stand by regarding freedom to post/express views. I can handle this matter on my own, but if it does get vicious in over time. I may be pursuing legal means against this individual which i may need your help indentify ip address just giving heads up in advance.

I didnt threaten to harm you, it is very clear from Kamalroops facebook wall how you copy and paste his manmat and promote it HERE. How you echo support for that nang is also visible on his wall. I am just exposing your mindset & alliance.

Now that videos of him are around, you try to distance yourself from him.

Hope the admins are clear to you, NO more kamalroop promoting here. :nono: (and exposing him for me)

[AG51]

logically rationally what PAL 07 says is right, but this forum has proven time and again when it comes to individuals the conversation NEVER stays sensible i mean look at yesterday someone threatened N30singh who i believe is one of the most unbiased contributors to this forum, for saying he disagreed with their opinion on an individual

KullyKhalsa you are absolutely spot on.

I have been an avid follower of this forum for a few years and there are some great posters on here. I have to say unequivocally that N3OSingh is one of the best posters on this forum. I am a 35 year old Singh who grew up in London England and now lives in Toronto. I have seen Singhs and Jathas on both sides of the pond. I have no association to any Jatha but have a huge respect for all the panthic jathebandis whether it is Taksal, AKJ, Nihang dals. We are all brothers and we have differences, be it the rehit we keep the way we do kirtan, there are so many issues that we do not agree on. Some members promote their own agendas according to the jatha that they follow. It doesn’t matter where you are in the world this is an ongoing problem. Some people think that their version and belief set in Sikhi is correct and anyone who doesn’t agree or offers an alternative thought is wrong.

N3OSingh is one of them rare people who looks at the entire picture and realises Sikhi did not start in the early 1900s, the 1950s or in 1984. We as a panth need to respect all our brothers and sisters whether we are Taksal, Akj, Nihangs, Nirmaley, Sevapanthis or Udasis. I am all for healthy discussion but I have a humble request please live your lives and jeevans with an open mind. There is no harm in listening to a different opinion even though you don’t agree with it. If it is harmful to the panth, research the issue and present fact based evidence to the contrary and do parchar that way. Sikhi is not about threatening each other because we don’t agree with a certain opinion. Let’s educate ourselves and discuss as sensible people.

[BasicsofSikhi]

I post here a poem copied from http://sikhanonymous.wordpress.com/page/2/

Its called "Rhyme on Cause and Vision" (more like a rhyme on division)

Blinded by a blurring of Vision,

the Panth stumbled and created divisions.

Rebellious lions roaring without a cause,

Ready to strike brothers with sharp claws,

We never stopped to pause,

Check if this deal was raw.

Is this the Real Sikhi Vision?

For which shaheeds died and others are in prison,

When we do ardaas, do we stop to listen?

Or do the words robotically flow like television,

Raj Karega Khalsa, isn’t that our mission?

Propelled by Vaheguru Fission,

Heavenly Bani that we listen,

Defeating tyrants with precision.

Bringing Heaven to earth, our Cause,

Singhs and Kaurs,

We’ll change gravity’s laws,

The lowly will stand tall,

“Great’ empires will fall,

Khalsa will rule all,

The world will applaud,

Freedom, Justice, Equality, and Peace Y’all

What we waiting for?

[GPS]

We should not attack anyone in person. We should not hesitate to expose those organizations that side with

anti panthic elements.

[chatanga]

I didnt threaten to harm you, it is very clear from Kamalroops facebook wall how you copy and paste his manmat and promote it HERE. How you echo support for that nang is also visible on his wall. I am just exposing your mindset & alliance.

Now that videos of him are around, you try to distance yourself from him.

The thing is that we need to recognise that we dont all think the same about all scholars, or lets say learned people. There will always be something to criticise someone over, but personally i feel that it is weak to blanket-ban any thoughts or research, or even be scared of research or khoj by people who think different to us.

I myself cited the research by a scholar recently who i believe did a tremendous job in a particular field even though i totally disagree with what he thinks Sikhi is. Now personally i dont know this KRS but he has done some good research on a field that remains largely hidden from the sikh sangat. what is more important? this KRP guy or the research he has done? What is more important to you?

As neo said, we have a habit of looking at the messenger and then shooting down the message. we need to look at the message and then dissect that ourselves.

[N30S1NGH]

Thanks guys for your support guys.. Guru maharaj and mahapursha di full kirpa..!! :D

Mahapursh taught me always limit your vechar/discussion/debate towards the ideology as opposed to personality/individual so you don't hurt individual - hari da roop....try not to get into debates, but if you do happen to get into debate..debate around the idea/message or concentrate on message as opposed to messenger not just that be honest with yourself, test yourself each and every second, test your state of mind each and every second. Sit in simran, bring those people who you may have raag(attachment) and dvaish(impartiality) try to naturally feel and see universal vahiguroo di jot in them naturally so you bind them together in the non dual simran. If you can naturally feel the presence of vahiguroo in them also then move on with rest of your simran, if you don't - you have to come in terms with your state of mind and be honest with yourself, if you goofed up- be man enough to admit your mistakes and revise and improve- don't hang on it and move on.

It hasn't been easy- sometimes by maharaj kirpa i pass but sometimes due to my over sight and due to my own bad attributes- i goof up and fail..i m not embrassed about it to share- you learn and grow.. thats part of spiritualy journey- you revise and improve and move on..!!

On this forum, I goofed up (with sometimes excessive rhetoric speech) in the past but i try to improve.. be honest with myself and rate/test myself- if i fail and i try to improve..!!

Sikhi introvert journey just as important (if not more) than sikhi extrovert journey.!!!!

Keep it real/original and honest guys..!!

[Only five]

I didnt threaten to harm you, it is very clear from Kamalroops facebook wall how you copy and paste his manmat and promote it HERE. How you echo support for that nang is also visible on his wall. I am just exposing your mindset & alliance.

Now that videos of him are around, you try to distance yourself from him.

Hope the admins are clear to you, NO more kamalroop promoting here. :nono: (and exposing him for me)

Singh, don't sweat it. Some people just cry wolf to get attention. In my opinion the member needs take some lessons on how to understand sentences in context. When the member is supporting anti-panthic forces, he knows for a fact that a lot of people are watching. The guy sits on this forum 24/7........anyone will get suspicisions. It's not a secret the member is being watched. Every member on this forum is being watched by outsiders and those who pretend to be Panthic. Do they cry wolf? Hes pathetic. Those that are very good at hiding their true intentions are the ones that have anti-panthic agenda here.

I hope the mods don't take sides here and then support the crying crocodile because they are scared of being pursued legally. If that is the case, then check the messages this member has directed at me and on 2 or more occasions this member has pushed the line of threats.............Just watch now how this member races to delete those post...............hahahahahaaa