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"They won, we lost"

You and I have been reading the wrong history books old chap. What did "they" win and what did we "lose" exactly? There are many martial races throughout the world, but no one mentions them today because none of them fought in every campaign and theatre of war during the two world wars as the Sikhs did. That is why today Sikhs are spread from Hong Kong to London, Vancouver to Auckland and Borneo to Perth. That is why today, Sikhs are regarded as the most loyal of men because they didn't partake in the so-called 'Indian Mutiny' of 1857. That is why the Houses of Parliament, Sir Winston Churchill said :

"...British people are highly indebted and obliged to Sikhs for a long time. I know that within this century we needed their help twice and they did help us very well. As a result of their timely help, we are today able to live with honour, dignity, and independence. In the war, they fought and died for us, wearing the turbans. At that time we were not adamant that they should wear safety helmets because we knew that they are not going to wear them anyways and we would be deprived of their help. At that time due to our miserable and poor situation, we did not force it on them to wear safety helmets, why should we force it now? Rather, we should now respect their traditions and by granting this legitimate concession, win their applaud."

That was of course in relation to the motorcycle helmet debate. If we were to say that it was a "master and slave relationship", as you suggest, then the British could have well said no to the amendment of the motorcycle crash helmet law and insisted upon the Sikhs to wear the helmet rather than the turban. Afterall, the wars were over by that stage and the need to recruit Sikhs has ceased. Furthermore, public opinion at the time had swayed with the notion that "when in Rome, do as the Romans do". Politically, it was far more sensible to go with the public concensus. I don't believe for one second that it was a "master and slave relationship" at all.

The British didn't hesitate to court martial any Sikh who so much as clipped their beards when in the army. Taking amrit was a pre-requisite to enlist. We can thank them for upholding such high ideals and taking them across the seven seas so that mankind can be aware of the valour and gallantry of such fine men.

Master and Slave? A soldier's soldier more like.

There were reasons why they court martialed any Sikh who cut their hair.

No, you might have been reading the wrong books. I don't form my opinions quotes from racist PM's

When did the bulldog give that speech?

When did he die?

When was the Turban Helmet debate discussed in parliment?

okay okay, they so loved the Sikhs for their loyalty, that they presented them with partition in 1947.

The British (not the normal people) are opportunists, you are severely misguided if you think they liked the Sikhs.

they were small incidents where officers did praise and respect the Sikhs for their discipline and some cases were they donned a turban too. In this case you can say, a soldiers soldier.

However in the grand scheme of things, they were the ruling party and they called the shots. which made the sikhs, who needed a livelyhood to feed their families, salves in the colonial sense.

Yes, They won, we lost, this is a Fact. First anglo Sikh wars, we won that, they called it a draw. Second, we were betrayed, we lost and now we are forever licking their boots by quoting them...."oh look the PM said this about us, they like us a alot, this reaffirms my faith, etc etc etc".

maybe I have this all wrong..please correct me, I am open to change.

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Just because he had the strength to insist upon guru jis dastar when weaker singhs would wear a helmet don't criticise or ask him to wear a humiliating helmet. Did the Singhs fighting in the first world war wear helmets?

The Sikh is not loved... The Sikh's rehit is.

Really.....weaker singhs.....Is that why he was wearing what looks like a blue plastic hard hat ontop of his patka...

Its not humiliating, its centuries of tradition (which I agree with and aplaud them for keeping), something which the Sikhs nowadays over look when it suits them, instead they follow some made up tradition preached by evil individuals who pass themselves as "sants".

The Sikhs who fought in the world wars, did not fight out of choice. Over 2.5 million Indians were promised to the british by the indian establishment. Did they have a choice.

Soldiers don't have choices, they have orders.

We as Sikhs don't follow orders from our SatGuru, we choose which one suits us, which one is AKJ approved, which one is Santmat approved, and so on and so forth...We hear one katha and take it as Gods word...yet we never cross check it with Gurbani.

We my friend have become weak. I am in the same boat.

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Really.....weaker singhs.....Is that why he was wearing what looks like a blue plastic hard hat ontop of his patka...

Its not humiliating, its centuries of tradition (which I agree with and aplaud them for keeping), something which the Sikhs nowadays over look when it suits them, instead they follow some made up tradition preached by evil individuals who pass themselves as "sants".

The Sikhs who fought in the world wars, did not fight out of choice. Over 2.5 million Indians were promised to the british by the indian establishment. Did they have a choice.

Soldiers don't have choices, they have orders.

We as Sikhs don't follow orders from our SatGuru, we choose which one suits us, which one is AKJ approved, which one is Santmat approved, and so on and so forth...We hear one katha and take it as Gods word...yet we never cross check it with Gurbani.

We my friend have become weak. I am in the same boat.

erm... a few conflicting points...in summary are you for or against him being accepted into the guards?

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erm... a few conflicting points...in summary are you for or against him being accepted into the guards?

let me know the conflicting points, I'll give you my summary...simples

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let me know the conflicting points, I'll give you my summary...simples

it was a for or against thread and you went off on some next tangent. If you want me to summarise your rant for you doesnt it say something to you ?! LOL!

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it was a for or against thread and you went off on some next tangent. If you want me to summarise your rant for you doesnt it say something to you ?! LOL!

There is no tangent or rant. The OP just pasted a link to a news article and the posts by various members represent their own views.

I never asked you to summarise for me. please read my post again if you are misaken.

I repeat, let me know the conflicting points, I'll give you my summary...simples

oh and...err.. yeah LOL...is that fine? no no, maybe LMAO..

Ego. terrible isn't it.

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I actually don't see no "milestone" here. I don't understand why anybody, in this day and age of corruption, etc would want to join the army which is used as a power tool against smaller countries by the elite. But these are my personal opinions.

here here. "sikhs" have been fighting for various paymasters for centuries. we are sant sipahi of guru ji exclusively and should not be a soldier under any other banner whatsoever, rather leading peaceful and spiritual lives, away from politics etc.

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The British and Americans are fighting a just war in Afghanistan

Don't know what media channel you are watching.

The British and Americans and their alliance of the willing are NOT FIGHTING A WAR. It is an invasion.

Iraq too was invaded.

Another example of how the establishment and media twist the truth.

The Sikhs which were murdered, raped, looted, slaughter, etc in India, largely in Delhi and Panjab are popularily known as "84 Riots".

It was not riots, it was a calculated systematic selective genocide of a particular community sponsored, supported, funded, maintained by the establishment, which includes the police, army, various religious institutions, law enforcerment officers and the legal system of the country.

If we call the 1984 incident Riots, then we should rename the Holocaust, Rawanda Genocide as Riots aswell.

The definition of what a Riot is as per Oxford Dictionary and other dictionaries

A riot is a form of civil disorder characterized often by what is thought of as disorganized groups lashing out in a sudden and intense rash of violence against authority, property or people

Oxford

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/riot

Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot

Merriam-Webster

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot

What it should be

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/genocide?q=genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

Now before certain members have difficulities processing this, misunderstand this and believe this to be a "rant", they should be aware, from Sikh History, that we are in a state of war. We were attacked in 1984 and this attack was acknowledged as an declaration of war against the Sikh Nation in 1986, after which our Sikh Brothers and Sisters, be they Fathers, Brothers, Uncles, Husbands, Mothers, Sisters, Aunties, Wives and Friends were attacked again by the establishment.

Evidence of which was found by Shaheed Bhai Sahib Bhai Jaswant Singh Khalra who was killed by the establishment.

Shame on us (don't worry, Me Too) for getting sucked into the propaganda by our so called Sikh Leaders who sit at the feet of Extremist Hindu Politicians & Religious Leaders.

We are fighting over issues such as Dasam Granth, Raagmala, Rehit, 5k, etc etc.

Can you not see that these are non-issues which are deliberately pushed forward by these agents of evil and then in turn pushed forward by so called educated gyanis who don't know what is happening outside of panjab, let alone the world, hell they don't even know our history.

Then you have Hindus who are calling Sikhs like Bhai Mati Das Brahmins. The Fools are mistaken if they believe they are our brothers. They will stab you when you least expect it. This is not an act of brotherhood, this is an act of inteference, because they know that the Sikh Leader ship are at their feet.

WAKE the F**K UP

However what you do is your own personal business, know this that within the next 20 to 35 years the Sikh faith in India will change radically, so much so, Sikhs themselves, just like buddhist will openly say "oh we are a part of the Snatan Dharma, we are a branch this Dharmic Tree". Hell you already have people, saying this openly now.

We have nobody but ourselves to blame for this, not the Afghans, not the Mughals, not the British, not the Hindus, but US. WE are responsible for this.

This is why the panth is in disarray as it has lost its Niara-pan, uniqueness.

I quote, Master of Masters, King of Kings, Mahabali, Khalgidhar Siri SatGuru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj

"Jab Lag Khalsa Rahe Niara, Tab Lag Tej Dioon Mein Sara, Jab Eh Gaye Bipran Ki Reet, Mein Na Karoon In Ki Parteet"

SatGuru Ji gave us meek weak poor people Sardari, Soverign Rule was bestowed upon us by SatGuru Ji and we lost it.

Instead of running to SatGuru Ji, we run to Deras, Babey and Sants who have opened up their own Gurdwaras (oh but no, its registered on Siri SatGuru Granth Sahib Ji), who have made Gurdwaras and Gurbani into a business.

Then we take pride in working for a family which is responsible for looting the whole world, not forgetting interferring into (with the help of the Hindus establishment), Sikh affairs.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a racist and against the Hindu people, it is the Evil leaders who are at the helm of the faith, just like the Evil people who are at the helm of our Gurdwaras, all Thakats, religious educational institutions, I am against them wholeheartedly.

and if people here think this is just internet talk, then meet me in person, I am more vocal in person, I am not afraid of anybody or anything. I do not fear Vaheguru, because Vaheguru is not to be feared, Vaheguru is to be loved, I love Vaheguru, Vaheguru and Sri SatGuru is my source of inspiration.

Now make of this what you will, I don't care.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa, vaheguru ji ki fateh.

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