Alan Watts on being God.

[THE WARRIOR]

THE WARRIOR, thanks for being honest about your beliefs regarding not believing in an actual god and that your thoughts are more inline with budda dharma rather then sikhi. Sadly others, through either cleverness or ignorance, still try to say this type of thinking is sikhi, when it's clearly not.

In the end Khalsa belongs to Vaheguroo and victory belongs to the almighty Vaheguroo:

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH!

People are simply be expressive, trying to say we may be speaking a different way from different levels of understanding and thinking but essentially to prove a point others need not fail we can all progress together.

Fundamentally, we can’t fool God by telling him how much we believe in him and acting in a way redundant of his and essentially your own “true nature”.

Furthermore we cannot believe in a Creator and not his Creation.

[MiddxSingh]

The problem is you are only following a watered down, modern friendly version of buddism. If you want to follow real buddism or any of these indian school of thoughts then why not do it properly? Presented further below in this post is the danger of the advait mindset which partially exists in buddism. Read Buddha's and his disciples' old literuture (translated into english of course, unless you can read tibetan), for a real view of buddism. Same applies to other schools of thoughts. Forget reading the untrue western watered down books on your belief system. Hear is a small description on a particular part of the text "Mahamaya Tantra":

Moving into the third chapter, the tantra introduces a sequence of verses outlining the rites associated with the ingestion of sacramental substances (samayadravya). The yogī is instructed to gather the five illicit meats (elephant, horse, cow, dog, and human), roll them individually into pellets, and store them for seven days. Next they are mixed together and stored in the cavity of a rotting jackal for an additional seven days. Finally they are taken out and consumed, resulting in an experience of “the great fruitions” (mahāphalāni, v. 3.6), which Ratnākaraśānti identifies as “the state of wisdom.”¹⁹ Though the five illicit meats are common enough in tantric literature, the especially polluting addition of a jackal corpse appears to be a unique contribution of the Mahāmāyātantra. We can understand this distinctly unpalatable process as intended to collapse the binaries of pure and impure, precipitating a more complete rejection of dualistic concepts and, as verse 3.1 states, leading to “omniscience.”

I couldn't post other parts as children visit sikhsangat.com.

Then they use visulation techniques of imagining Mahamaya (pure sargun pooja) to so called realise ultimate reality (false sense of realising nirgun vaheguru).

See this dangerous "mentality" of advait. This is one raw old school jugti to get rid of a dual aspect concerning purity/impurity. Others here may want to follow some other nicely touched up jugti which seems like it's ok but as guru sahib sikhs let us leave our faith in gurbani alone and just jap naam with prem and sharda.

There are many shocking unsikhi like things which come up while reading the raw source translations of other belief systems. Also try reading arths throughout Guru Granth Sahib ji and you will be shocked at the criticism of other false belief systems and rituals. Just read common and random shabads you will see guru sahib is telling us something completly different as to what is being preached here nowadays.

I'm afraid without purely following gurbani which leads to gurparsad, one can never realise the One Vaheguru.

Please leave out this advait business...

[N30S1NGH]

The problem is you are only following a watered down, modern friendly version of buddism. If you want to follow real buddism or any of these indian school of thoughts then why not do it properly? Presented further below in this post is the danger of the advait mindset which partially exists in buddism. Read Buddha's and his disciples' old literuture (translated into english of course, unless you can read tibetan), for a real view of buddism. Same applies to other schools of thoughts. Forget reading the untrue western watered down books on your belief system. Hear is a small description on a particular part of the text "Mahamaya Tantra":

Moving into the third chapter, the tantra introduces a sequence of verses outlining the rites associated with the ingestion of sacramental substances (samayadravya). The yogī is instructed to gather the five illicit meats (elephant, horse, cow, dog, and human), roll them individually into pellets, and store them for seven days. Next they are mixed together and stored in the cavity of a rotting jackal for an additional seven days. Finally they are taken out and consumed, resulting in an experience of “the great fruitions” (mahāphalāni, v. 3.6), which Ratnākaraśānti identifies as “the state of wisdom.”19 Though the five illicit meats are common enough in tantric literature, the especially polluting addition of a jackal corpse appears to be a unique contribution of the Mahāmāyātantra. We can understand this distinctly unpalatable process as intended to collapse the binaries of pure and impure, precipitating a more complete rejection of dualistic concepts and, as verse 3.1 states, leading to “omniscience.”

I couldn't post other parts as children visit sikhsangat.com.

I haven't read that text so i cannot comment really on it specifics but I do know as a general rule without contextualizing the text we cannot really come out with an conclusion.

I meant missionaries among others use same sort of mindset (not contextualizing a text) when they reject Mai Abbeck dee Bani such as Charitaropkyan.

As far as your allergic to word- advaita or advait goes, you just have to leave your pre-conceived notions or pre conditioning behind and really just have to leave with it as advait (universal concept of oneness) its everywhere in Gurbani, advait literally means- non dual, dvait means- duality. Just do a search on duality and non duality, how gurbani talks about to how to get rid of duality, duality being disease after duality is destroyed whats the perception etc.Here are some of examples:

ਆਤਮਾ ਰਾਮੁ ਨ ਪੂਜਨੀ ਦੂਜੈ ਕਿਉ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਇ ॥

आतमा रामु न पूजनी दूजै किउ सुखु होइ ॥

Āṯmā rām na pūjnī ḏūjai ki▫o sukẖ ho▫e.

They do not worship the Lord, the Supreme Soul; how can they find peace in duality?

ਆਤਮਾ ਪਰਾਤਮਾ ਏਕੋ ਕਰੈ ॥

आतमा परातमा एको करै ॥

Āṯmā parāṯamā eko karai.

His soul and the Supreme Soul become one.

ਅੰਤਰ ਕੀ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਮਰੈ ॥੧॥

अंतर की दुबिधा अंतरि मरै ॥१॥

Anṯar kī ḏubiḏẖā anṯar marai. ||1||

The duality of the inner mind is overcome. ||1||

ਆਤਮੇ ਨੋ ਆਤਮੇ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤਿ ਹੋਇ ਤਾ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਪਰਚਾ ਪਾਇ ॥

आतमे नो आतमे दी प्रतीति होइ ता घर ही परचा पाइ ॥

Āṯme no āṯme ḏī parṯīṯ ho▫e ṯā gẖar hī parcẖā pā▫e.

If the individual soul has faith in the Supreme Soul, then it shall obtain realization within its own home.

I meant advait word itself which you are so allergic too, is explicitly mentioned in sri akaal ustat and in sri dasam granth roughly 31 times:

ਅਦ੍ਵੈ ਅਲਖ ਪੁਰਖ ਅਬਿਗਾਮੀ ॥

अद्वै अलख पुरख अबिगामी ॥

That Non-dual and Imperceptible Purusha is Inseparable.

whats next you going have to issue with advait base framework- panj tatvas, three avastha, trai gun,turiya avastha, parloa, maha parloa, gyan parloa, sohang, akaal purkh refered to sat chit anand(jaap sahib) and many gurbani tukhs holding advait position in gurbani?

[MiddxSingh]

That's the wrong way to take it, nothing wrong with the word just that school of thought (advait vedanta) should not be confused with sikhi. It has a big flaw in it.

To see gurbani as various individual changing preceptions of reality is insulting, because individual perception is false (as it changes). Gurbani is ultimate truth. Gurbani is sach hi sach. it's a case of how much the sikh has realised the truth of gurbani not a case of the truth changing (falsehood). The more a sikh progresses, the more he starts to realise and personally experience the truth of gurbani. Yes gurbani does have different messages for different avasthas, but that's not a change in truth. All the message and spirtual levels mentioned in gurbani are 100% sach.

bwxI gurU gurU hY bwxI ivic bwxI AMimRqu swry ]

The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained.

guru bwxI khY syvku jnu mwnY prqiK gurU insqwry ]5]

If His humble servant believes, and acts according to the Words of the Guru's Bani, then the Guru, in person, emancipates him. ||5||

Disregaring our guru sahib and putting faith in other belief sytems will lead us further away from Vaheguru (but perhaps you don't care as you believe you are the ultimate one as per advait vedant philosphy)

bwJu gurU gubwru hY ibnu sbdY bUJ n pwie ]
baajh guroo gubaar hai bin sabadhai boojh n paae ||
Without the Guru, there is only pitch darkness; without the Shabad, understanding is not obtained.

Charitpakhyan does not instruct us to do dodgy stuff, more like avoid it - it's teaching us important life lessons.

[THE WARRIOR]

The problem is you are only following a watered down, modern friendly version of buddism. If you want to follow real buddism or any of these indian school of thoughts then why not do it properly? Presented further below in this post is the danger of the advait mindset which partially exists in buddism. Read Buddha's and his disciples' old literuture (translated into english of course, unless you can read tibetan), for a real view of buddism. Same applies to other schools of thoughts. Forget reading the untrue western watered down books on your belief system. Hear is a small description on a particular part of the text "Mahamaya Tantra":

Moving into the third chapter, the tantra introduces a sequence of verses outlining the rites associated with the ingestion of sacramental substances (samayadravya). The yogī is instructed to gather the five illicit meats (elephant, horse, cow, dog, and human), roll them individually into pellets, and store them for seven days. Next they are mixed together and stored in the cavity of a rotting jackal for an additional seven days. Finally they are taken out and consumed, resulting in an experience of “the great fruitions” (mahāphalāni, v. 3.6), which Ratnākaraśānti identifies as “the state of wisdom.”¹⁹ Though the five illicit meats are common enough in tantric literature, the especially polluting addition of a jackal corpse appears to be a unique contribution of the Mahāmāyātantra. We can understand this distinctly unpalatable process as intended to collapse the binaries of pure and impure, precipitating a more complete rejection of dualistic concepts and, as verse 3.1 states, leading to “omniscience.”

I couldn't post other parts as children visit sikhsangat.com.

Then they use visulation techniques of imagining Mahamaya (pure sargun pooja) to so called realise ultimate reality (false sense of realising nirgun vaheguru).

See this dangerous "mentality" of advait. This is one raw old school jugti to get rid of a dual aspect concerning purity/impurity. Others here may want to follow some other nicely touched up jugti which seems like it's ok but as guru sahib sikhs let us leave our faith in gurbani alone and just jap naam with prem and sharda.

There are many shocking unsikhi like things which come up while reading the raw source translations of other belief systems. Also try reading arths throughout Guru Granth Sahib ji and you will be shocked at the criticism of other false belief systems and rituals. Just read common and random shabads you will see guru sahib is telling us something completly different as to what is being preached here nowadays.

I'm afraid without purely following gurbani which leads to gurparsad, one can never realise the One Vaheguru.

Please leave out this advait business...

“The problem is you are only following a watered down”

In Dharma nothing is followed or believed everything is to seek.

One should understand the difference between “LITERALISM AND FIGURATIVISM” The text is purely figurative it deals with taboo, duality, human behaviour etc etc. Even with Gurbani people can’t differentiate between what is literal and what is figurative, these two being the obvious parallels to be understood. In short and as a whole this mentality goes to demonstrate the key issue amongst a growing number of people, an inability to understand not just in literature and education but sadly amongst ourselves between people.

In Dharma we understand it’s more important how we treat one another rather than anything we may do for ourselves including practice, path, pooja, prayers or whatever.

I would just like to say before anyone follows or believes anything they should seek its true nature first, including your own self. Otherwise you will get people who will tell you “we’re under attack” or “we’re sinning” believe this, follow that. Wear this colour wear this Bana. We all know how it plays out. Essentially we’re just replicating others both physically and mentally take a look, you know what I mean.

Take a look at your own “true” nature first, there you will find everything. There the external Guru and the Internal Guru meet, but by your own choice this can be done.

Peace

[Deletedkp]

“The problem is you are only following a watered down”

In Dharma nothing is followed or believed everything is to seek.

One should understand the difference between “LITERALISM AND FIGURATIVISM” The text is purely figurative it deals with taboo, duality, human behaviour etc etc. Even with Gurbani people can’t differentiate between what is literal and what is figurative, these two being the obvious parallels to be understood. In short and as a whole this mentality goes to demonstrate the key issue amongst a growing number of people, an inability to understand not just in literature and education but sadly amongst ourselves between people.

In Dharma we understand it’s more important how we treat one another rather than anything we may do for ourselves including practice, path, pooja, prayers or whatever.

I would just like to say before anyone follows or believes anything they should seek its true nature first, including your own self. Otherwise you will get people who will tell you “we’re under attack” or “we’re sinning” believe this, follow that. Wear this colour wear this Bana. We all know how it plays out. Essentially we’re just replicating others both physically and mentally take a look, you know what I mean.

Take a look at your own “true” nature first, there you will find everything. There the external Guru and the Internal Guru meet, but by your own choice this can be done.

Peace

You've hit the nail on the head, this key is interpretation of text and the relation to the interpretation within different cultures.