DJ Bobby Friction refuses to play songs with any mention of caste.

[Pyara]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/30/campaigners-government-caste-discrimination-uk

I personally think the driving force behind this may be to do with the change in legislation some campaigners are pushing in the UK regarding Caste discrimination. We could see caste discrimation as part of the Equality Act 2010. I think BBC/Bobby Friction want to appear ahead of the game.

[Jonny101]

It is a myth that bhangra = jatts. Jatts doing bhangra only started a few generations ago. My grand parents tell me that when they were growing up in west punjab they never saw a respectable jatt doing bhangra. Instead jatts would hire kanjars and kanjaris to perform bhangra during weddings and other special occasions. Then around the late 30s and 40s jatts were becoming more liberal maybe due to western influence they began to do the the unthinkable i.e. Do the dance of the kanjars and kanjris(bhangra). From then on jatts began to do so much bhangra that this kanjar dance became a permanent part of jatt culture as we see today. Now this dancing business has become so widely accepted that that jatt men do not mind seeing their wife, sister and daughter dance with other men much like kanjris did 75 to 80 years ago.

This is similar to how singing bhangra songs was the exclusive domain of the marasees. But then around the 70s jatts began to sing punjabi songs much like marasees. And now things have gotten so far ahead that today singing bhangra music is now considered part of jatt culture.

[DailyMail]

Johnny,

My father says the same as you!

[Sherdil]

Lol...I've said this before. People don't come here to learn and share ideas, they come here to hate and argue.

Why so mad anyways? Were your family members the ones hired to dance?

Had I known you guys were still sore, then I would have invited you guys to a new years party.

[dalsingh101]

Newly adopted kanjar culture passes for traditional jat culture........lol

[DailyMail]

Exactly, kanjar khanna was mentioned on the first page of this thread! It's come full circle now!

[Jonny101]

Lol...I've said this before. People don't come here to learn and share ideas, they come here to hate and argue.

Why so mad anyways? Were your family members the ones hired to dance?

Had I known you guys were still sore, then I would have invited you guys to a new years party.

Who here is angry? I just stated the facts. Todays jatt culture is nothing like the jatt culture of pre partition Punjab. One might say that thé modern jatt culture has evovled into a semi kanjar culture. They proudly dance as kanjars once did. Jattis today dance on the dance floor during marriages and other occasions with other men as kanjris once did. The reason we no longer see this connection is because most of the Kanjar community moved to Pakistan since most of them were Muslim.

Also judging from your post it seems have been offended by the term kanjar because in east punjab many people use the term kanjar in an insulting way like how we call someone a chuhra if he is dark coloured. But in pre partition Punjab they were an actual caste of people. Like thé marasees they were entertainers. While the profession of the marasees was to entertain by singing, the kanjars would entertain by dancing. The kanjars were pioneers of bhangra. When they would dance infront of jatts, they would make moves which reminded the jatts of farming and jatts would feel entertained looking at the kanjar dance i.e. Bhangra

[Sherdil]

Who here is angry? I just stated the facts. Todays jatt culture is nothing like the jatt culture of pre partition Punjab. One might say that thé modern jatt culture has evovled into a semi kanjar culture. They proudly dance as kanjars once did. Jattis today dance on the dance floor during marriages and other occasions with other men as kanjris once did. The reason we no longer see this connection is because most of the Kanjar community moved to Pakistan since most of them were Muslim.

Also judging from your post it seems have been offended by the term kanjar because in east punjab many people use the term kanjar in an insulting way like how we call someone a chuhra if he is dark coloured. But in pre partition Punjab they were an actual caste of people. Like thé marasees they were entertainers. While the profession of the marasees was to entertain by singing, the kanjars would entertain by dancing. The kanjars were pioneers of bhangra. When they would dance infront of jatts, they would make moves which reminded the jatts of farming and jatts would feel entertained looking at the kanjar dance i.e. Bhangra

Bhaji, Kanjars were servants that the Jatts hired. They are the equivalent of bhaiyas today. I don't think you are as dumb as you are pretending to be. Calling someone a kanjar today is not a nice thing. Just like calling someone a Bhappa is derogatory, even though the original meaning had nothing derogatory about it.

So what if they were hired to perform at parties? People are still hired to perform at parties. You can hire dholis, singers and dancers today. Does that mean they are doing Kanjar Khanna? Also, what is this about Jattis dancing with other men? Have you ever been to a party? Guys and girls don't dance with each other at all, unless they are married or related.

Jatts aren't the only people dancing. Parties are a mix of all kinds of people. I was on a Bhangra team with ramgharias, lubanas, kambojs, and banias. Nobody had any issue participating in "jatt culture". Why does it even have to be Jatt culture? It started with Jatts, but today everyone dances because it's fun. It's Punjabi culture.

What about Miss Pooja? She isn't Jatt, but she's the biggest female artist in the industry. By your standards, this makes her the biggest Kanjri as well.

I think maybe you've been called a Bhappa one too many times. I apologize on behalf of any Jatt people that might have said this to you, but you can't malign an entire community based on your bad experiences. Knocking someone else's caste isn't the way to solve the problem. It just creates more animosity.

Go back and read my posts. Have I ever talked down anyone else's caste? Some people keep saying that Jatts are uneducated farmers, but you guys are no better. Carpenters, blacksmiths, street vendors? Nothing to be proud of there either.

[dalsingh101]

Go back and read my posts. Have I ever talked down anyone else's caste? Some people keep saying that Jatts are uneducated farmers, but you guys are no better. Carpenters, blacksmiths, street vendors? Nothing to be proud of there either.

Your personal example doesn't detract from the fact that a lot of ignorant haughtiness has emanated from jat quarters for a good while now and has had extremely negative consequences for wider Sikh society. On top of this is the alcoholic, barn dancing jamboree culture which has spread to nonjat Sikhs due to majority influence, wherever jats picked that up from.

It's harder and harder for the caste loving jat to act pompous because, as someone alluded to earlier, they've got serious drug and economic problems which makes grinning, self congratulatory prancing around about your caste and ability to drink copious amounts of alcohol look seriously demented. Maybe certain people need to take it as a hint from Waheguru to try and humble themselves a bit? In Jaap Sahib Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave Waheguru the epithet 'Garb Gunjan' meaning 'destroyer of false pride'. There are important lessons in that.

[Jonny101]

Bhaji, Kanjars were servants that the Jatts hired. They are the equivalent of bhaiyas today. I don't think you are as dumb as you are pretending to be. Calling someone a kanjar today is not a nice thing. Just like calling someone a Bhappa is derogatory, even though the original meaning had nothing derogatory about it.

So what if they were hired to perform at parties? People are still hired to perform at parties. You can hire dholis, singers and dancers today. Does that mean they are doing Kanjar Khanna? Also, what is this about Jattis dancing with other men? Have you ever been to a party? Guys and girls don't dance with each other at all, unless they are married or related.

Jatts aren't the only people dancing. Parties are a mix of all kinds of people. I was on a Bhangra team with ramgharias, lubanas, kambojs, and banias. Nobody had any issue participating in "jatt culture". Why does it even have to be Jatt culture? It started with Jatts, but today everyone dances because it's fun. It's Punjabi culture.

What about Miss Pooja? She isn't Jatt, but she's the biggest female artist in the industry. By your standards, this makes her the biggest Kanjri as well.

I think maybe you've been called a Bhappa one too many times. I apologize on behalf of any Jatt people that might have said this to you, but you can't malign an entire community based on your bad experiences. Knocking someone else's caste isn't the way to solve the problem. It just creates more animosity.

Go back and read my posts. Have I ever talked down anyone else's caste? Some people keep saying that Jatts are uneducated farmers, but you guys are no better. Carpenters, blacksmiths, street vendors? Nothing to be proud of there either.

Haha you think i am a bhappa? For your info, I was born into a jatt family. But i am proud to say that I lost that caste distinction when with Guru jees apaar kirpa I took amrit and joined the Khalsa brotherhood.

The reason I mentioned the kanjar connection to bhangra is when some jatts here began to claim that bhangra was some how an authentic part of the old jatt culture which of course is a myth. Sadly this transition from the old jatt culture to the modern semi kanjar culture happaned around the time of the partition. Things still were not this bad until the sikh immigrants in the uk took kanjar culture to a whole new level to the modern bhangra culture we see today that is falsely being called authentic jat culture.

Ask your grand parents and they will also confirm what i say. Jatt women during olden times had some sharam. They would never shamelessly dance infront of men like the modern jattis do on the dance floor. During olden times it was kanjris who did this and that too for money. But the modern jatti has lost all sharam and she will do this for free! And beghairat are the men who allow their wife, sister and daughter to dance around like this in front of other men.

If this is the state of jatt culture now, I shudder think how low jatt culture will go in the next 50 years.