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Alarming rise in HIV among drug addicts--notably punjabi youths!


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Punjab is always 20 years behind the rest. De-addiction clinics, punishment and law enforcement, supply control etc have all been tried elsewhere and all failed. Ultimately it comes down to a case of the stupid dying out and hoping that is enough of a deterrent for the rest.

I know that may sound callous, but this issue is hardly new. It's been talked about for years and no one has done anything.

Historically, the only society that has ever dealt with its drugs problem is China. Back in the 1950s they took all their opium addicts and executed them. It worked. I dont think the Akalis, BSF, EPP, RAW etc who all benefit from drugs flooding East Punjab will be keen on such drastic action.

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from an alien approach and down falls then listen up and understand.................the so called sikh preachers look down at non amritdharis..then non amritsharis there for do wot they want...............but when a fight happens the amritdharis look for the non amritdharis.....what a cycle........we are all one... from moneh to keshdari that have not taken amrit, to amritdhari who do not recite bani then the complete pakage...etc you get the point....main point id like to stress "MANY AMRITDHARIS KEEP KESH AND KAKKAR BUT DO NOT RECITE BANI"...............going back to the main priniciple is BANI..BANI... so for many 'singh' who have taken "amrit" get off your high horse cos you have not done s'h'i't........the reason i stres this point is cos ur the ones controlling the gurdwara... gurdwara should be represented by panj pyara who are the gyani.. gyani means gyan of maharaj.. that doe snot mean simple basic santhiya of gurbani but deep arth aswell which on average takes 10 years....better to have 5 quality gurdwara in uk then 100 joker temples...

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The AIDS is from the needles they pass around when doing drugs; it's not from unprotected intercourse. Although those numbers must include a few cases of intercourse-related AIDS victims the thrust of the article is to do with drugs

Yes. What you say is 100% true. And....without evening talking about how nearly of all the AIDS in Punjab actually got there in the first place by way of Punjabi truck drivers and their 'unprotective sex' in 'Inidia'......let us take this to a deeper level. This is dangerous territory for me because precedence has shown that either threads get locked or I get banned once I go deep. Mostly this is because the moderators feel I have veered way too far from the thread.

Alas...deep indeed I shall go: In a strange and twisted way there is actually great merit to everything 'innergear' says'. Sometimes I think he is mocking us. He conducts his conversations deliberately with the mode of comminication today and then sits back and watches as we philstines mock Newton and Galileo.

Innergear...and his ghetto text from a smart fone......makes a point which is one of the most religious points ever made here:

Foreskin : the value and non-value therein.

Heroin. that is what is killing Punjab. It comes from Pakistan. It gets to Paksitan not far fr ahead in Afghanistan. The streets and rural villages of Pakistan and Afghanistan and the other side of the border in Iran. Lets start with the other side of the border in Iran. It has a heroin addiction rate that makes Punjab look like a nun's dormitory. Iran's female drug addiction rate is 5000% more than Punjab. Their AIDS rate ? A hundred million per cent less than Punjab. Afghanistan ....where the drugs come from ? A drug addiction population, including women and young girls, that compared to rural Punjab makes Punjab look ike a Conservative women's monthly meeting. Pakistan ? Their AIDS rate makes Punjab look like Dante's inferno.

So why is this ?

Medical and scientific journals have stated that circumsicion reduces the chances of such sex diseases by more han 1000%.

One thousand per cent. Now thats a big number.

Does the horrific Punjab sex disease rate not prove these scientific reports right ? If not.....How do you explain why Punjab, having a far lower IVD rate than its 3 neighbours to the north, has an AIDS problem five milllion per cent higher than them ?????

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It is a medical myth that circumcision can prevent HIV or any other disease. Any benefits that have been found from studies, which have mostly been carried out in Africa with biased authors, show a negligible difference that isn't statistically significant. The prevelence of penile cancer is very slightly lower in circumcised men v uncircumcised men. Routine circumcision is not the best way to go about reducing it just as routine double mastectomy (in women are have finished with breast feeding) isn't the best way to reduce breast cancer. One of the main causes of penile cancer, human papilloma virus (HPV), which also causes genital warts, is more common in circumcised men as well.

Going back to HIV, most studies have concentrated on Kenya, Uganda and South Africa but these studies were NOT randomised-controlled trials and the sample size and sample group were heavily biased. When the World Health Organisation (WHO) investigated, they instructed leading public health specialists in the USA, a country where most men are traditionally circumcised (not anymore however) and the findings of this randomised-controlled trial published in The Lancet, were that circumcising men did not reduce HIV transmission.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60998-3/abstract

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I have seen some AIDs cases in Punjab. All them them were either taxi drivers or truck drivers. Sadly these men also gave AIDs to their wives.

Me too. In the particular case I encountered the poor excuse for a human being had intercourse with his wife who then became pregnant. So not only was he afflicted with AIDS, his wife and the unborn child also received it. He didn't tell them he had a problem until he became ill and died some time later. He must've known he had a problem if word managed to get out. I think the wife has also passed away now.

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It is a medical myth that circumcision can prevent HIV or any other disease.

I'm neither a doctor nor am I circumcised so all I'm doing is pointing out some things because I've noticed how nearly all of the news articles that appear about Punjab's AIDS problem lay the blame exclusively on heroin addiction. Basically, what we keep seeing is lazy journalism and it leaves the reader knowing only half the story.

Like I said, I'm no doctor but I often find medical journals pointing out how a circumsised man is statisticaly far less likely to get AIDS, and thus far less likely to pass it on.

Look, lets take those 5 ancient central asian trade route cities : Amritsar, Lahore, Peshawar-Kabul, and Tehran. All 5 of them have a bad drug problem. If people think the problem is bad in Amritsar they should visitTehran and other Iranian cities. The problems there are far far worse than Amritsar. Female and male heroin addicts everywhere, openly shooting up in the streets. Pakistani cities too have a problem of injecting adults far worse than Punjab. So....it is reasonable for one to ask oneself why it is just Punjab that has developed an AIDS problem to coincide with its heroin problem. When the other 4 cities mentioned have a worse injecting junkie problem surely their AIDS problem should be worse ? At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to remind oneself that of the 5 cities 4 are full of circumcised men and 1 is not. Is it just a co-incidence that it is just the one city without circumcision that has the AIDS problem ?

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"At this point, it is perfectly reasonable to remind oneself that of the 5 cities 4 are full of circumcised men and 1 is not. Is it just a co-incidence that it is just one city without circumcision that has the AIDS problem?"

From a purely scientific point of view, that would be regarded as at best, anecdotal evidence and at worst, speculation . A randomised-controlled trial (RCT) is the 'gold standard' of medical studies.

One could argue that with the other 4 cities being of very strict Islamic persuasion it is possible that despite the junkies shooting up, they at least using protection whilst having intercourse whereas in Amritsar it is a more liberal free-for-all society and barrier methods are not being used? Or maybe Amritsar is the only city that is not providing new clean syringes? Often, if a city or a given area has an 'ankowledged' drug problem, a "drop-in centre" will exist which at least provides clean needles etc. Public health officials are aware this will not solve the drugs epidemic in their cities but they at least don't want to be responsible for the spread of new diseases. Having said that, I would be surprised if such "drop-in" centres exist in the other 4 cities either, but who knows? Frankly, I don't know what the answer is. Further studies are required to answer that question.

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