Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Mehtab Singh

Jat Sikhs seek OBC status in Punjab

Recommended Posts

  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt

In punjab today sadly obc status is the only way to get a job if you dont have the proper connections or money to bribe to get yourself a job. Gone are the days when the punjabi jat could have lived comfortably off his land. Now most jats only have 1 or 2 killaas left which is not enough especially if you take todays high inflation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The fact that Punjab has been butchered into pieces by Punjabis themselves in order for small caste groups to maintain control is the true failure. This is just the rotten fruits of maintaining Brahamanic society divisions within the land.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In punjab today sadly obc status is the only way to get a job if you dont have the proper connections or money to bribe to get yourself a job.

Absolutely correct. Zero to 1% chance of any jatt sikh in Punjab to land a job no matter how highly qualified they are. The public sector jobs are nearly all reserved for those groups with obc status and the private sector industrialists loathe to employ what they see as jatt boots, giving the jobs instead to members of their own fraternity. Zero chance of a job.

And then there's education. So many of the good places reserved for those with the obc status and even when they get a place the ones with obc status only need half the required marks in order to get a pass.

Promotion ? You need obc status.

Wanna be a sarpanch ? obc status will help alot.

obc status should be scrapped. But if its gonna exist than you've gotta get on it if you wish any future for your children.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Absolutely correct. Zero to 1% chance of any jatt sikh in Punjab to land a job no matter how highly qualified they are. The public sector jobs are nearly all reserved for those groups with obc status and the private sector industrialists loathe to employ what they see as jatt boots, giving the jobs instead to members of their own fraternity. Zero chance of a job.

And then there's education. So many of the good places reserved for those with the obc status and even when they get a place the ones with obc status only need half the required marks in order to get a pass.

Promotion ? You need obc status.

Wanna be a sarpanch ? obc status will help alot.

obc status should be scrapped. But if its gonna exist than you've gotta get on it if you wish any future for your children.

The reservations were meant to expire at some point in the future but the govt knows there would be riots if it ever got rid of reservations. They only way would be give every caste reservations based on it's population percentage. That way it would make it a lot fairer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Since When were Jatt Sikhs OBCs, since past century, they have an ego & history of suppressing low casts. Making fun of Khatri/Arora's who came from North Punjab calling them Refugees/Bhape, making fun of Afghani's Sikh's accent, making fun of Ramgharia Sikhs calling them "Tarkhans", not allowing Ravidaasia Sikhs into Gurudwara (seperate door for them, video below), calling them Mazhabi Sikhs.

Now when they have mortgaged their land to Baniya's and drank all the money in "Sharaab" and Afeem, they want OBC status.

Edited by JasSinghKhalsa
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They've also fed the whole of India for the last 6 decades, been paid artificially low prices for their produce so that the other castes could get subsidised foodstuffs. How would you like it if the govt said that a tarkhan can only charge a certain rate for his work or all the shops have to charge prices set by the govt?

Investigate how much it costs in labour as well as things like fertiliser and pesticides to grow crops in one acre and then find out how much a farmer will get for his produce. Then come back and get involved in a discussion over why Jats want OBC status.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"...they have an ego and history of suppressing low castes".

This is the biggest understatement of the 20th and 21st century combined! Jats have made a career out of mocking non-jats. This is despite the architects of the hindu caste-system continually reminding the jats that in their eyes, a jat is nothing more than a shudar. But all we heard for the last decade was "jat isn't part of that system, jat is a race not a caste". However, it apears the chickens have indeed come home to roost.

Dear oh dear, what a milestone this is indeed. Or is it? Afterall, the this link ( http://sikhsangat.org/2013/jat-sikhs-seek-obc-status-in-punjab/ ) merely tells us what we have known all along: a jat is a shudar. The only thing that is new is that.....jats have finally accepted it. Everyone else had known this since the beginning of time.

Afterall all the 'huffing and puffing', this is what it has come to.

Edited by DailyMail
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The caste system is getting more entrenched in India as the main political parties carve out their vote banks on caste lines. Congress tend to favour the 'lower castes and the BJP the 'higher' ones. Affliation to one of the parties will help you get on in life in India as appointments in Government jobs are political.The Sikhs are not considered important by the main parties due to their low numbers and are largely ignored. This is leading to desperate attempts for Sikhs to get themselves declared 'low caste' as thats where the Hindus regard them as being.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Jats wanting obc status is all about the economics. Today in punjab those with obc status can get into colleges even if they have bad marks or get a good job even if they dont qualify for the job, while a jat no matter how qualified he is will not be able to get a job.

Manpreet badal had wanted to scrap this whole obc status based favours. Instead he advocated that it should be the poor of all castes who need these. Because a jat with less than two kilaas of farm land is just as disadvantaged as those currently getting obc status benefits.

Edited by Jonny101
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now when they have mortgaged their land to Baniya's and drank all the money in "Sharaab" and Afeem, they want OBC status.

That is quite possibly the most ignorant and casteist thing I have ever read on this site. Made worse by the fact that just a few messages ago it was explained that the current system of quotas reserved for those with obc status means that, in Punjab, there is a zero to 1% of a jatt Sikh ever finding a job. Ever.

This is despite the architects of the hindu caste-system continually reminding the jats that in their eyes, a jat is nothing more than a shudar. But all we heard for the last decade was "jat isn't part of that system, jat is a race not a caste". However, it apears the chickens have indeed come home to roost.

Dear oh dear, what a milestone this is indeed. Or is it? Afterall, the this link ( http://sikhsangat.or...atus-in-punjab/ ) merely tells us what we have known all along: a jat is a shudar. The only thing that is new is that.....jats have finally accepted it. Everyone else had known this since the beginning of time.

Afterall all the 'huffing and puffing', this is what it has come to.

Wow !! :omg: A few hours after someone here made such disgustingly casteist remarks about jatt Sikhs.....we find that the mods/admins have not only allowed the hateful message to stand, they love it so much they've even kept the thread open.

Now how long do you think the admins here would allow any thread to remain unlocked if something similar to the above was said about any Sikhs from non-jatt groupings ? Be honest now. You all know as well as I do that it would be locked instantly.

If there's one thing this thread has taught us about non-jatt Sikhs it is that their insecurity complex seriously clouds their ability to read. Time and again they've been told how the current obc status system in Punjab means that a jatt Sikh has virtually no chance of landing a job no matter how highly educated they are. The only chance of a jatt Sikh in Punjab making a future for his children is to secure obc status. With obc status comes a guaranteed job.....A guaranteed educational place......A guaranteed low pass mark needed in academic exams.....The chance to become a sarpanch........etc etc.

Tell me Daily Mail, do you detest your own children so much that you would willingly let them rot in a current flawed system rather than try to ensure their good future ?

The anti-jatt sentiments expressed on this thread are mind-blowingly ignorant to say the least.

Edited by West London Singh

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

JasSinghKhalsa learn some history tarkhans are tarkhans. They only use the name Ramgharia to connect themselves to someone from their baradri i.e the great Jassa Singh who was known as Ramgharia as his fort in Amritsar was Ramghar hence he was known as Ramgharia. There is no caste called Ramgharia it has been used by tarkhans to elevate themselves in society by using the name of someone great who they percieve to be one of their own.

Same case with kalal's (brewers, yes brewers!), they use Ahulwalia by associating with Jassa Singh Ahulwalia, from village Ahul.

By associating with great Sikh personalites people from that baradri thought by describing themselves that way we will be seen as having higher standing in society.

Yes Jatts were peasents but they gained there reputation by bravery and acheiving something on their own backs in huge numbers. Not using just one great persons achievements to gain a higher social status.

Edited by gurdssingh

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That is quite possibly the most ignorant and casteist thing I have ever read on this site.

The anti-jatt sentiments expressed on this thread are mind-blowingly ignorant to say the least.

Nah, we haven't had his Royal Highness Dalsingh make a comment yet. So I think we should hold off deciding on what the most ignorant and casteist thing written on this site is until we have his contribution.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Racist? I call it as I see it. For the best part of the last 15 years, I have read article upon article stating that "jats aren't a caste, jats are a race", "jats were somehow born with greater powers or some make-belief elevated position in feudal society". As for any "insecurity complex clouding reading abilities?", only 2 weeks ago I read on another thread a poster from SikhSangat stated how his ancestors "phyisically abused" non-jats if the non-jat somehow "didn't do as they were told" as it were. Just look at the youtube videos, mazhbi's being asked to enter through a different door. It makes me sick. Plain ridiculous! On a scale of 1 to 10, how pathetic is this? 13, 19? There's no excuses, none absolutely whatsoever. Anti-jat? Anti-caste more like it. But because it is jats who have propogated this hindu-derived ideology more than any other group, it is jats who will feel the global backlash against it. And feel it they certainly will, rest assured.

With regards to specifics about lower exams grades to enter university, guaranteed govt jobs, sarpanch, etc - I'm against 'postive discrimination'. Meritocracy is the way forward. Certainly, since 1948, reservation-based quota's have been used, and there was a reason for this, there was a time and a place for this and it was right at that time. However, I don't believe they should continue to exist. Open competition and merit-based entry into all govt jobs is the way forward. There should be financial support for ALL those individuals regardless of background from nursery level upwards. I recall in 2003, Kings College London opened a special scheme to allow students from "traditionally disadvantaged backgrounds in the local area (south London) to enter medical school.....with reduced entry-requirements compared to the rest of the intake. It mostly targetted at afro-caribbeans or students from single-parent familes. I was against that. I'm against it in the UK & I'm against it in India.

WLS, I don't detest my children, mostly because I don't have any, but point being, if I did, I would firstly teach them how the guru's annhilated the caste system, how certain groups do their upmost best to revive it and to never look down/up at someone for being from a different background. Currently, what you have is a group of people who think of themselves so highly, lets pull no punches, they do think they are something special, and who are now literally commiting suicide or abusing drugs that they are fighting for OBC status. 30 years ago, if I called a jat "backward", I would have been verbally abused. Now, they are themselves fighting all the way to be called and classified as 'backward'. You just can't make this stuff up, honestly, you really can't.....

Edited by DailyMail
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  



  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Perhaps this is the key to the root cause of it all ? What does he think won't change ?  What if you or your wife feign a disease ? Will he come if his mom pretends she's on bed suffering with something ?  Basically something that will bring him back to home and let him stick there atleast for a few weeks , giving you and your wife time to mend the relationships and break the ice 
    • Guest Guest Brown Eyes
      Thank you for your kind words. I’m sharing this because there maybe someone who has experienced similar anguish or as a warning to look out for. Perhaps a snapshot of a British born kid with Punjabi heritage and some Sikhi values tried to be instilled.  Upon reflection I was a more hands on Dad than my father was and yet I still feared and respected him. I believe that I may have been more informal and given greater freedom than I had to my son. To that degree I think I may have contributed to his stupidity. When I was his age I had been tempted to act out as he is doing now but I knew it was wrong. 3 of my peers didn’t stop and now 20 years later because of their dysfunctionality, sadly all 3 are divorced with kids run wild, health problems etc.  ‘My parents are getting fed up with his antics and I think it’s a matter of weeks before they snap and I get a call to say he’s left. He was involved in a car crash where as a passenger he was shunted from behind and had whiplash. The next evening he goes out from 10-2am and an exasperated grandmother lets him in.  ‘I went for an evening out with my family in the centre of a midlands city. As I was walking back to the car (approx 10.30pm) there was an ambulance ready with a stretcher. Just waiting. What a damning indictment that they expect carnage having seen it regularly, week after week.  That tragic tale of the 14 year old girl makes you want to weep. I realise that there may be a chance he comes to his senses but the world in which we live in has changed so dramatically I’m struggling to keep up with daily disbelief. I’ve been to 50 odd parties in the last 20 years and probably 3 out that there was a fight and today I hear it’s a regular occurrence. I see Punjabis in the midlands with turbans but a shaven beard. What idiots.  When I was about 17 there was a pretty Punjabi girl from a wealthy family at my college. There was a large presence of Muslims and Sikhs with the usual cliques and it was revealed she had a black boyfriend. He even collected her from college. Overnight she was castigated by everyone and within a few days she left and never returned. I don’t know what circumstances surrounded her life but today I don’t think nobody would raise an eyebrow.   
    • I KNOW I KNOW! Extremely old post but a link... Searchgurbani.com will answer this.  Home page, select 3 dot thing on top, click Dasam Granth, click prefered index search Punjabi or English and voila!  So far am reading Charitropakehyon, a few verses per day. 
    • When you are happy or laughing do you go asking for help? After all you are in those 'emotional states' temporarily before you are in another temporary state. They are caused by specific inputs (i.e a joke) that your 'wiring' interprets and responds to with an action like laughing, endorphin release etc. The same goes with 'anxiety' it's a product of your 'wiring' (or ego if you want to give a specific name, that voice inside your head, the me), and how it responds to stimuli / inputs. Does your eternal 'awareness' that observes the voice in your head suffer with anxiety, stress, laughter, joy etc? Nah. That was the way this fool dealt with emotions it didn't like. I (in a loose sense) just started to observe the emotions as a temporary thing that come and go, and if they deep down didn't make me better were just not welcome anymore in taking up my awareness. That voice in your head is not you. Read some Elkhart Tolle to understand a bit about that disfucntional voice in your head 
    • seems so ...maybe we can lift the good khalsa habits they have preserved and reintroduced them in our lives  such as that nitnemi attitude.
×

Important Information

Terms of Use