Guru's Titles....Dilgeer's views

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

I take ur point but why we don't say Guru Gobind singh Dev I mean it is for respect then why we don't use it with other Guru Sahibaan.

[DSGj]

28 examples from Bhai Gurdaas Jee. There are many more from him, it would take me much longer to post them all.

1

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6481

2

http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6490

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6515

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6516

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6553

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6559

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6589

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6615

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6671

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6693

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6695

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6714

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6728

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6759

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6761

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6768

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6789

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6797

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6830

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6837

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6853

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6873

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6892

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6897

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6924

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6948

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6975

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http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6977

[DSGj]

I take ur point but why we don't say Guru Gobind singh Dev I mean it is for respect then why we don't use it with other Guru Sahibaan.

When you have this much descriptive praise for Guru Gobind Singh Jee, these is really no need left to put the word 'Dev' in there. Simply saying "Guru Gobind SIngh" says it all :smile2: .

1.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/2124/sathigur_purakh_aganm_hai_niravair_nirala/line/8

2.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/850/har_suuche_thukhuth_ruchaaei-aa_sath_sungath_melaa_u/line/14

3.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1880/praan_meeth_purumaathumaa_purukhothum_pooraa_u/line/4

4.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1797/ouh_gur_gobindh_hue_prugati-aa_dhusuve_avuthaaraa_u/line/7

5.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/695/gurubur_akaal_ke_hukum_so_oupajiou_bigi-aanaa_u/line/44

6.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/968/jaage_singh_buluvunth_beer_subh_dhusut_khupaaee_u/line/10

7.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1738/nij_futhe_bulaa-ee_sathiguroo_keeno_oujee-aaraa_u/line/11

8.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/2468/vehi_oupajiou_chelaa_murudh_kaa_murudhaan_sudhaaee_u/line/25

9.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1785/ouankaar_akaar_aap_hai_hosee_bhee_aapai/line/19

10.

http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1721/naasuro_munusoor_gur_gobindh_singh/line/1

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Yet We have Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib, Guru Amardass Sahib, Guru Ramdass Sahib , Guru HarGobind Sahib and Guru Harkrishan Sahib. We can use Sahib or Dev.

Sri is something like this Sardar Prakash Singh Not Sri Prakash Singh that is the difference.

[DSGj]

Yet We have Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib, Guru Amardass Sahib, Guru Ramdass Sahib , Guru HarGobind Sahib and Guru Harkrishan Sahib. We can use Sahib or Dev.

Sri is something like this Sardar Prakash Singh Not Sri Prakash Singh that is the difference.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜਯੋ ਜਯ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਤੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਯਉ ॥੧॥

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵਿ ਅਲਖ ਗਤਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਤਾਰਣ ਤਰਣੰ ॥੧॥

ਤਿਨਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਸੋਢੀ ਥਿਰੁ ਥਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ॥

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਭਗਤ ਉਧਰੀਅੰ ॥

ਸਵਯੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਬਾਕ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਮਹਲਾ ੫

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥

ਜਹ ਖੇਲੈ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਨਾ ॥੩॥

ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ

ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਤਥਾ ਸਭਨਾ ਭਗਤਾ ਕੀ ॥

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸੈਣੁ ॥

ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਜੈਦੇਵ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ਪਦਾ ਘਰੁ ੪

ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੩

ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ਚਉਪਦਾ ਘਰੁ ੨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥

ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ

ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਜੀ ਕੀ

ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਦੁਪਦੇ

ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਤਿਪਦੇ ੮ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੭ ਇਕਤੁਕਾ ੧

ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ੯ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੫

ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਚਉਪਦੇ ਇਕਤੁਕੇ ॥

ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਚਉਪਦੇ ੧੪ ॥

[DSGj]

Also, as I said earlier in the discussion that Dev and Deo are the same.

It is further proved by my previous post:

ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਜੀ ਕੀ

Guru Nanak Dev

Guru Nanak Deo

they are and mean the exact same thing, just different pronunciations.

[Jonny101]

It's pretty obvious that the only problem Dilgeer has is with words which are from indic languages. He only wants to use Persian or Arabic words. If it was up to him he would probably render the entire Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee in Farsi or Arabic. People like him are culturally bankrupt and have an inferiority complex.

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

ਤਿਨਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਸੋਢੀ ਥਿਰੁ ਥਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ॥

We don't use SURNAME and not even DEV.

It is do with human tendency Guru Nanak seems short compared to Guru Teg Bhadur that is the only reason We use Guru Nanak Dev or Guru Nanak Sahib. As Guru Teg Bhadur is accordance with our normal natureof speaking two word name we don't use Dev there. This is simple reason or logic for using Dev or Sahib for people. U have quoted so much and u will be aware of some, its only written amar for Guru Amardass Sahib, it doesn't mean they r not showing respect,it was also in case with Guru Gobind Singh even referred Gobind Singh. Gurbani is written poetic verses so sometime time it is required or not required. Guru Ramdass ji was SODHI WE DON'T CALL HIM GURU RAMDASS SODHI TO SHOW RESPECT. We are so habitual using Dev that we now can't replace it with Sahib.

[taran0]

gur jaisaa naahee ko dhaev ||

There is no deity equal to the Guru.

jis masathak bhaag s laagaa saev ||1|| rehaao ||

Whoever has good destiny inscribed on his forehead, applies himself to seva - selfless service. ||1||Pause||

This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Bhairao on Pannaa 1142

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maerae meeth guradhaev mo ko raam naam paragaas ||
O my Best Friend, O Divine Guru, please enlighten me with the Name of the Lord.

This Shabad is by Guru Raam Daas Ji , So Dar, 10

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kwty kst pUry gurdyv ]
kaattae kasatt poorae guradhaev ||
The Perfect Divine Guru has removed my sorrow.

This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Gauree 191

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nyqR pRgwsu kIAw gurdyv ]
naethr pragaas keeaa guradhaev ||
The Divine Guru has opened my eyes.

Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Raag Gauree, 200

[GurmatParchar]

Theres no point in wasting your time with naastiks like dilgeer, we've been countering their stuff for a while. its the limit when they start questioning gur sahibs name - just go on khalsa news or something and see that even within misssionaries they fight at each other one is saying why do we use guru with guru sahibs name guru is only vaheguru.. then another missionary says thats stupid but we shouldnt use dev or daas wit guru jees name. at the end they will eat at each other..

dhunda lot hates ragi darshan singh

ragi darshan lot hates dhunda

watch the tamasha..and if people are seriously even questioning guru sahibs name then they deserve to rot in the pit of hell.