Say no to Guru's pictures

[JSinghnz]

Just took another look at the topic heading which is: "Say No to Guru's Pictures" and there are many replies in this thread which clearly states to take off pictures off the wall regardless whether they worship them or not. My question to those veer: Is it ok for folks to have pictures of guru sahibs on the wall if they are not worshipping? If you or other got the urge to say "Yes" to that question then wouldn't it be same to ask vismaad and other film makers to stop using purtaan gursikh sikh characters such as chottay sahibzaaday, bhai taru singh and so on?

Maybe i misunderstood you or others but make it clear whether you oppose of having guru jees picture in home of folks who do picture worship OR you just plainly want to see NO pictures of guru sahib jees in any home, gurdwara at all?

Regarding those ppl who says praying in front of photo/statue is okay then I humbly request them is to go back and do fresh start in learning sikh dharam.

The answer is very clear. THE IMAGINARY PICTURES OF OUR GURUS HAVE NO PLACE IN SIKHI.

[Singh559]

The answer is very clear. THE IMAGINARY PICTURES OF OUR GURUS HAVE NO PLACE IN SIKHI.

Calm down bro lol

[Only five]

the source or medium of Bhagat Dhanna's realization of waheguru was "pathar"........pathar was the starting point on this journey........if the start is wrong, the destination can never be achieved.......Bhagat Dhanna ji did it through pathar.....

any medium or source that lead us to Waheguru can not be bad......it's a different thing that later on, when one gets to a higher spiritual level....person doesn't need this....but for the starting, depending on the individual's level, one need something as a support.....

Here is more Bani of Satguru that shows Bhagat Dhanna ji Maharaj did not acheive Akal Purakh through worshipping of a pathar (stone) but actually performing devotional worship of Akal Purakh.

ਧੰਨੈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਬਾਲ ਬੁਧਿ ॥

धंनै सेविआ बाल बुधि ॥

Ḏẖannai sevi▫ā bāl buḏẖ.

Dhanna served the Lord, with the innocence of a child.

ang 1192

The Brahmin could have gave a pot to Bhagat Dhanna ji Maharaj and he would have worshipped the pot. It could have been anything because of his child like understanding of spiritual wisdom as the above Gurbani states. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj calls those who do (stone) idol worship as fools. Such strong words are used. Listen to Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj and he calls the stone idol no different than the stone kicked in the street.

Pictures of the Gurus can be a starting point for a kid or even grown-ups who are unable to understand and read Gurbani, but worshipping is completely wrong. Sargun Saroop of all the Guru's is and has always been Shabad Guru. Why did Sikhs bow to Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj all the way up to Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji Maharaj? Its because they are one with Shabad Guru and their is no difference between them and the Shabad Guru. What was Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj? He was and is the Shabad Guru, however Shabad Guru took the body form to communicate with humans like us, who can't see Shabad Guru in its other forms.

Take for example Bhai Lehna ji. If worshipping body or stone is okay, then why didn't Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj tell the sangat to start worshipping Bhai Lehna ji right now, when he has not been said to be the Guru? When Bhai Lehna Ji became the second Guru did his body change into some special body? It was the same body, but the atma became one with Akal Purakh (Shabad Guru). The body was and is respected because Satguru used this form as a way to communicate. In what form did Bhagat Prahlaad Ji Maharaj see Akal Purakh? As Narsingh, but once we read Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. Then we are told that Narsingh was subject to Kaal.

That body that medium that brought us to Gurbani Must be respected, but not worshipped. The atma never got old or young, but the bodies that Satguru took forms in were young, but got old. The body burned as hot boiling water was poured on it, the body got a wound as a weapon struck it. But their Atma that was Brahmin was Shabad Guru and today is Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj never was young or got old.

[Singh559]

Adding to that is it right to assume that Waheguru also resides in pathars and mountains? Doesn't Gurbani say that there are joons inside mountains for thousands of years, millennia or millions of years?

[Only five]

Adding to that is it right to assume that Waheguru also resides in pathars and mountains? Doesn't Gurbani say that there are joons inside mountains for thousands of years, millennia or millions of years?

Yes it does, but then we need to go back to the Kaaba sakhi. In what direction should I bow and in which direction should I point my feet, where Vaheguru is not?

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Here is more Bani of Satguru that shows Bhagat Dhanna ji Maharaj did not acheive Akal Purakh through worshipping of a pathar (stone) but actually performing devotional worship of Akal Purakh.

ਧੰਨੈ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਬਾਲ ਬੁਧਿ ॥

धंनै सेविआ बाल बुधि ॥

Ḏẖannai sevi▫ā bāl buḏẖ.

Dhanna served the Lord, with the innocence of a child.

ang 1192

The Brahmin could have gave a pot to Bhagat Dhanna ji Maharaj and he would have worshipped the pot. It could have been anything because of his child like understanding of spiritual wisdom as the above Gurbani states. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj calls those who do (stone) idol worship as fools. Such strong words are used. Listen to Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj and he calls the stone idol no different than the stone kicked in the street.

Good 1.

[mohinder pal]

Tere Banke Loehn Dant Rasala......Sohne Nak Jin Lamre Vaala.

[S1ngh]

Jsingh veerji, then you probably support not to watch or keep animated movies based on Sikh characters? Did u not watch those? (Sahibzaaday, bhai taru Singh etc).

[JSinghnz]

Jsingh veerji, then you probably support not to watch or keep animated movies based on Sikh characters? Did u not watch those? (Sahibzaaday, bhai taru Singh etc).

Please try to understand and comprehend simple facts that none of these movies depicted our Gurus.

And to make you clear once again that THE IMAGINARY PICTURES OF OUR GURUS HAVE NO PLACE IN SIKHI.

I can only hope you have got your answer now.

[panthicunity]

Yes as a clarification - das did not mean animations or historic depictions - just the pictures with halo in the back to which people do matha tek !