BBC News - Sikh temples feel strain of helping the homeless

[Pyara]

In Ilford we have an increase in Eastern European men attending the Gurdwara to eat Langar. This is where we have a bit of a communication breakdown as many of the Latvian, Luthianian and Polish men's English is not strong and many of the daytime elders, bibya and faujies English is also not strong which has lead to some heated situations. Perhaps we need some signs up in the Eastern European languages.

Our main issue in Ilford Gurdwaras during the day is the small volume of drunken or stoned men coming in for langar. Although, the numbers are very small, it's often intimidating for the elders and women who are present in the Gurdwara during the day. The evening's and weekends are not an issue as there is more sangat to take care of the situation. There needs to be some form of light security in the Gurdwaras during the weekdays if nothing but just to diffuse any issues and handle the anti-social behaviour.

Ultimately, when someone's out of their head, they will ignore all signs. Again this is where the security would be more beneficial. The Gurdwara is a public building and should always be open for all, however the safety of the sangat is also of importance so striking the balance is what is needed.

[lsingh]

In Ilford we have an increase in Eastern European men attending the Gurdwara to eat Langar. This is where we have a bit of a communication breakdown as many of the Latvian, Luthianian and Polish men's English is not strong and many of the daytime elders, bibya and faujies English is also not strong which has lead to some heated situations. Perhaps we need some signs up in the Eastern European languages.

Our main issue in Ilford Gurdwaras during the day is the small volume of drunken or stoned men coming in for langar. Although, the numbers are very small, it's often intimidating for the elders and women who are present in the Gurdwara during the day. The evening's and weekends are not an issue as there is more sangat to take care of the situation. There needs to be some form of light security in the Gurdwaras during the weekdays if nothing but just to diffuse any issues and handle the anti-social behaviour.

Ultimately, when someone's out of their head, they will ignore all signs. Again this is where the security would be more beneficial. The Gurdwara is a public building and should always be open for all, however the safety of the sangat is also of importance so striking the balance is what is needed.

Makes sense to have security if people come in intoxicated to the Gurdwara. people like that can be very violent to the Sangat and it makes sense for the committee and sevadars to arrange some form of security and have people aware of escalation points in an emergency.

[Jonny101]

I say keep the open door policy, but at the same time implement the open hand across the face policy for any trouble maker. What would Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale or Akali Phoola Singh do if they saw someone making trouble at the Gurdwara? You think they would just tolerate it? A Gurdwara is the house of your Guru not some community center where bad behavior needs to be tolerated.

[Hammertime007]

BBC Asian Network "Investigating" Why Sikhs Oppose Mixed Marriages In Gurdwaras

The Boring Broadcasting Corporation so called "Asian" Network are broadcasting a programme on Monday 11 March.

It will find out why there's a divide on the subject within Sikhs and will talk about people they have labelled as "wedding crashers" meaning the Brothers who are doing seva by trying to Gurdwaras on the wedding day where a Mixed marriage will take place.

From the advert they have put out, it will be very one sided as usual, anti Sikh, bracetking us all "asian" There will be allot of input of the couples wedding who have been disrupted by brothers.

Be alert and listen i doubt there will be anyone on the programme who give Akal Takhet point of view.

Remember the bbc asian network is communist run station, and an enemy.

They label us all "asian" to suite their propergander and diversity. They have no idea of what is going on the slums of our Cities cos they the bbc are all middle class and live in middle class areas and would have a real scare if they really experienced diversity.

WE ARE BRITISH SIKHS NOT BRITISH ASIAN

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2013/11/asian-network-reports-speical.html

[Wicked Warrior]

I have seen at some Gurdwaras, mainly in india, where sevadars stand guard with shaster, both at the entrance and next to where you matha tek. This is what we need but is difficult to do.

No one should ever feel intimidated or uncomfortable in the house of the Guru.

[DSGj]

Just hire security during hours when there is less Sangat. It's only 1-4 extra employees max. Let's stop being kanjoos in areas where there is a real need. If millions can be spent at Gurdwaras, then there should be no problem for hiring a little bit of security personnel.

[GtLoc]

You can have shastars and firearms as well. Even in the uk with no 'license' it is important for our quom to be well-versed in both the pen and sword.

Remember open-door but also gurudawaras are/were built as forts.

Remember a gurudawars it not public aka crown property.

A simple sign saying, follow this or by entering premise you agree we can and will thrash you if you do not leave peacefully.

They try something like bringing forward an action, if they are stupid enough to diss a gurudawara I guarentee they'll hire a lawyer who uses government law which is not even a case you need to deal with; dismiss and counter-claim if you really feel like.

I'm starting a law-class in Toronto, in my neighbourhood will update on here as well.

VJKVJF.

http://www.time4thetruth.info/p/dean-c-clifford_16.html

Start there, the earliest videos on bottom start from them.

Knowing these things allows us to use state's machinery against itself.

It is a force multipler;

As an anectode, let me share this:

America's most valued soliders are the delta force aka special forces.

The marines may be front line, navy seals best assasins but delta is treated with the most respect.

Why? and what do they do you ask??

They are labeled force multiplers.

One solider goes in and trains 1000's of rebels to join america's side.

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Kind of like a sikh fighting 125,000 you don't have to fight with sword; remember it is last resort, not because of many other reasons but also becaue it is most often least effective to raise sword yourself.

Exhastu other methods first, for if nothing else they weaken your enemy.