is it a myth or is it true regarding hari singh nalwa

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

mehtab singh and gurdeepsinghjohal you two are a blind sheep with no common sence

first what would make you say im a pathan read my posts im trying to convince gps the whooping pathans took from

the british

No I don't think you are a pathan, but you are a child brought up parents callling "Blind Sheep"

Can you prove the origin of the Salwar Kameez of pathans is not of because of Hari Singh Nalwa but by another invader who captured that territory.

If you just out rightly reject a post and want evidence in support, please bring evidence rejecting salwar kammez attire is because of Hari Singh Nalwa and is infact by other cultural invasion.

That is why Hari Singh Nalwa a great general myth for you.

Now bring that piece of evidence which go against my argument.

[13Mirch]

singh135 are you trying to insult me cause your an <banned word filter activated>

Lol. Look in the mirror again my child.

[13Mirch]

main purpose of the thread was is it a myth or fact that mothers across afghanistan used hari singh nalwa's name to scare their kids

if it were a fact then the pathans would surrendered to the sikhs and afghanistan would of come under sikh rule

and why didn't afghan mothers use names of mongols to scare their kids the mongols they conquered afghanistan and commited genocide in afghanistan but also alexander then theirs nadar shah who conquered afghanistan the turks

those guys conquered afghanistan but hari singh nalwa conquered the pathan lands that are currently in pakistan today and

non of the land in afghanistan so why would mothers of afghanistan be scared of hari singh nalwa

could it be its the pathans who had bin conquered in regions like peshawar whose mothers were so terrorised that they used

hari singh nalwa's name to scare their kids and not the mothers in afghanistan if mothers and kids were that scared in

afghanistan common sence is the pathans would of just surrendered and not tried fighting and resisting

You <banned word filter activated> in ur statement u just answered ur own darned question. Here,"hari singh nalwa conquered the pathan lands that are currently in pakistan today."

[GPS]

My dear friend, if british had won afghanistan during first anglo afghan war, why did they retreat? They were never in control and always tried to put up their puppet shah ahuja there. When the felt anger of people.They started their trek back.But tribesmen were angry and they hit them from high hills.

The reality is they were running back but afghan marksmen did not allow them and brits had to pay with their lives. Let us agree on this as facts should not be concealed. they are determined fighters and fight well.

While going to high school in Punjab, a famous Punjabi poet prof mohan singh wrote a famous poem on afghans called " Killi Da buha"

( Door to cave). It says that Gen Nalwa had surrounded afghans army and they hid in a cave. Sikhs tried their best to find the door to cave so that they could take on pathans and finish the battle. But for many days were unable to find the door. Then one day they met a local old pathan trkking hills with his small boy.Sikh forces caught two and brought in front of Nalwa. Nalwa asked him about entrance door. Pathan told that he will tell him about that but is ashamed of selling his honour in front of his son. On nalwa's order son was thrown in the deep ravine.

After that pathan told Nalwa, now he would tell nothing.he was scared that on torture his son will give info about door to sikhs.But son being killed afghan was ready to die. This shows their bravery and that too by a sikh poet.

So brave men should not be belittled. They finished all brits in first anglo afghan war and this is their bravery. But Nalwa was a terror for them and they were too scared to face him and hence his name haria still a legend with afghans.Keep in mind Hari singh nalwa was not only a soldier but saint soldier.Used to read gurbani every day. Baptized and naam abhiasi and such souls are fearless and never leave battlefield.

[Raju]

a few facts:

1. Pathans are the majority on the southern side of Afghanistan bordering Pakistan. i.e. Kandahar, Jalalabad, upto Ghazni. The ones on the western side of Afghanistan (Herat) are the Tajiks and the northern part of Afghanistan i.e. Panjshir valley and Mazar-e-Sharif are Tajik and Uzbek dominated. So almost no Pathans are found here.

2. Pathans used to say khamosh bash Haria Raghle, which is pushto and not tajik or uzbek.

3. Pathans have a bit of Seljuk turk in them by way of the Ghilzai tribe but the Durrani, Yusufzai & Ahmedzai are basically of similar ethnic stock as the Rajputs.

4. Afghanistan was mainly known for it's southern cities in ancient times, Kabul was just a stop over from Central Asia Silk route. And Pashtuns dominated Southern Afghanistan & it was them who were basically referred to as Afghans in medieval times. The present day Afghanistan which encompasses Herat, Mazar-e-Sharif, Panjshir etc is a modern British construct and has little to do with the ancient idea of Afghanistan.

5. Kandahar (Qandahar) whose Prince/King was Shakuni and whose sister was 'Gandhari' (Qandahari) was the wife of the blind prince Dhritarashtra and mother of the Kauravas of Mahabharata fame. So southern Afghanistan since time immemorial has always been somehow associated with the Indic narrative. Northern parts were too bare, unfertile and unproductive to be of any consequence. Just some oasis like the Panjshir valley existed which supported then negligible populations.

[Raju]

Also there was a logistics issue in going from South (Indus) to North (into Afghanistan). Using a big army to invade afghanistan was impractical because Afghanistan was a barren wasteland that could at best support a band of brigands but there was nothing for the army to feed on once it reached it's destination in Afghanistan. Say an expedition was launched from Attock to Mazar-e-Sharif or Panjshir Valley or Badakshan, they could loot all the food and resources from the locals but even that wouldn't be enough to make their way back until they dotted the entire route with forts (which were well-stocked to supply rations) and this was a slow process.

And then that too to what end, there was nothing of consequence in Central Asia or Northern Afghanistan to attract such efforts from an Army. But it was not the case if they were coming southwards where the fertile plains of the Indus would give food, resources, wealth and all possible attractions to all manner of adventurers, brigands, dacoits from Central & Southern Afghanistan. It was enough to motivate a large army and any loot along the way was enough to sustain them till their destination.

[chatanga]

those guys conquered afghanistan but hari singh nalwa conquered the pathan lands that are currently in pakistan today and

non of the land in afghanistan so why would mothers of afghanistan be scared of hari singh nalwa

could it be its the pathans who had bin conquered in regions like peshawar whose mothers were so terrorised that they used

hari singh nalwa's name to scare their kids and not the mothers in afghanistan

Yes the pathan lands that lie in Pakistan today were conquered by Nalwa. So logically it should be assumed that those conquered areas were where mothers hushed their kids up. But also Raju has brought a great point to the forum, that area of Afghanistan then is not the same as now.

chatanga

great reply but i didn't mean sikhism says that 1 can defeat 125 000 men i was just highlighting how some sikhs take something out of context and create their own story for example how people say afghanistan has never bin conquered but their was alexandar the mongols and so on their are sikhs who claim 1 sikh can take on 125 000 men and this is how sikhs brought down the mughals

but i understand the meaning of 1 sikh can take on 125 000 men that 1 true sikh will fight 125 000 men like a lion were as many people would back down and surrender it means true sikh will not surrender but fight and this apply's to all areas of life not just the battle field no matter what the odds a true sikh will attack the problem like a lion attacks a sheep

as well agree it shouldn't matter if mothers used hari singh nalwa name to scare their kids but point of this thread is you see people humilate sikhs be it ron banerjee on tv cause sikhs have not researched their history and just blindly accept what they are told about sikh history at the gurdwaras

what sikhs need to do is when they learn something look at the evidence provided and question the evidence and look for the other side of the story and look at their side of the evidence then be a judge and decide what is true and what is not

sikhs need to look at everything like a judge in court looks at the evidence from both sides then decides

Yes i agree with you, that we should always look at History objectively. The 1 vs 125000 is the Sikh ethos. Never give up, stay in Chardi-kala.

[singh135]

Cgy has clearly regained his vision from being a blind sheep after the points above.

Cgy has clearly regained his vision from being a blind sheep after the points above. AkAaaaaal

[VanHelsingh]

You guys do realise this attempted slaughter of sheep (lol) was our erstwhile Sikh chum from Mumbai? It was him! Seems like he's been doing a lot of reading. Good on him. At least he's trying to educate himself which is always a good thing.

[Mehtab Singh]

You guys do realise this attempted slaughter of sheep (lol) was our erstwhile Sikh chum from Mumbai? It was him! Seems like he's been doing a lot of reading. Good on him. At least he's trying to educate himself which is always a good thing.

lehhhh, tenu kidda pata? sanu vi dasso ki challi janda?? ;)

hahahahahahaha :D :D

ok on a serious note, i doubt it was him (admins know everything...muhuhuhuhahahahaha :devil: ) unless he moved to some other place...awwww that poooooorr place!!!!