Son of Hardcore Nirankaris wants to book Anand Kaaraj at Gurudwara for daughters wedding ?

[Guest Gupt]

Sangat Ji, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh !!

Just wanted to try and get some information and thoughts
about an issue we are facing at our local Guru Kar (I am not going to say where
as we always have sorted out any problems internally).

Ok… so here it goes… There is a family who would like to
book for an Anand Kaaraj at the Gurdwara. There are a few issues though: Let’s
start with the family that are trying to book (Girls side), even though the
Girl herself and her parents say they only believe in Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji
Maharaj her grandparents are Hardcore
Nirankaris and I am sure other family members are too. So , if we go by Sri Akal Takht Shaib Hukumnama
(1978) the committee should NOT allow the Anand Kaaraj to take place as we have
seen that when peoples Nirankari relatives attend Akand Paths at the Gurudwara
they will not take parshad or matha teek properly to maharaj.

The second issue is that from what we have been told the boy
is NOT Sikh. The Girls side did say to the boy that they will do the wedding at
the Nirankari bhavan but the boy and refused to get married unless it is a
Anand Kaaraj ceremony. The committee members (most of them) are wanting to book
the wedding as this family are their friends outside of the Gurdwara but we are
disagreeing.

The committee have now discussed the matter with Out of town
sangat and have been told that all the boy and girl have to do is to sign a
form saying they believe in Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji Maharaj and that’s it …. They
can have an Anand Kaaraj….. Personally I find this hard to believe.

I am trying my very hardest to look at this very
diplomatically but all that keeps on going through my head is the beadbi the
Narakdharis carried own in 70s/80s and our 13 saheed brothers.

So my questions to you sangat ji are :

1. 
   Has anyone heard of this so called “FORM” ..
   which you can easily sign to say you believe in Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji
   Maharaj and that’s it you can get married in the Gurudwara ?
2. 
   It’s not the Girls fault her grandparents are
   Narak Dharis , so should we push them away ? But saying that they probably want
   to get married at the Gurudwara because it is such an amazing building …
3. 
   The boy is a Hindhu and from what I have read
   the Hukumnama/sandesh from Sri Akal Takht sahib states you must embrace sikhi
   and change your name to include Singh or Kaur in order to be blessed by maharaj
   .
4. 
   Should this Anand Kaaraj be booked ???

AT THE MOMENT MY FIRM ANSWER IS …. NO !!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh !!!!

[Guest 1]

Can't happen. If both man and woman aren't Sikh, it can't happen.

The Anand Kaaraj isn't a joke. They're making a promise that they don't ever intend to keep. It's completely insulting and sacrilegious. Nobody treats my Guru like that.

If you're from the UK, I reckon the Gurdwara is either Gravesend, Leamington or Southall. This can't be allowed to continue.

[savinderpalsingh]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa !! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh !!

Waheguru ji ,

cant be allowed until they all leave nirankari's

[Guest Gupt]

Waheguru , has anyone heard of this "form" ?

[Singh23]

Can't happen. If both man and woman aren't Sikh, it can't happen

LOL, if we applied your mentality to all of the marriages that happen in a gurudwara these days, only 10% of them should have been allowed to get married. The definition of who is a sikh is so varied, especially outside of india you have to see the sense in letting some things slide. (I'm not speaking of the definition of a sikh from SGGSJ here)

When you have people immigrating to new countries not only are those people going to learn new ways of thinking but will also have to change some of their own.

Now changing rehat maryada is different, I agree. But at the same time how will sikhi expand if we dont allow it to spread? Cross cultural marriages are important. While their are some lines we will not cross, if a person is willing to submit themselves before the SGGSJ and go through the lavan and continue a life in sikhi being a sehajdhari or whatever, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I myself have recently seen how sikhi can affect a family that gets "married into it" and its changed my black and white views of what can be done and who can be married in a gurdwara .

I am not pretending to have a final answer, just saying that we can't be so narrow minded. Who knows, this marriage could be the one that sparks the reunification of nirankaris into the panth

[13Mirch]

Sangat Ji, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh !!

Just wanted to try and get some information and thoughts

about an issue we are facing at our local Guru Kar (I am not going to say where

as we always have sorted out any problems internally).

Ok… so here it goes… There is a family who would like to

book for an Anand Kaaraj at the Gurdwara. There are a few issues though: Let’s

start with the family that are trying to book (Girls side), even though the

Girl herself and her parents say they only believe in Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji

Maharaj her grandparents are Hardcore

Nirankaris and I am sure other family members are too. So , if we go by Sri Akal Takht Shaib Hukumnama

(1978) the committee should NOT allow the Anand Kaaraj to take place as we have

seen that when peoples Nirankari relatives attend Akand Paths at the Gurudwara

they will not take parshad or matha teek properly to maharaj.

The second issue is that from what we have been told the boy

is NOT Sikh. The Girls side did say to the boy that they will do the wedding at

the Nirankari bhavan but the boy and refused to get married unless it is a

Anand Kaaraj ceremony. The committee members (most of them) are wanting to book

the wedding as this family are their friends outside of the Gurdwara but we are

disagreeing.

The committee have now discussed the matter with Out of town

sangat and have been told that all the boy and girl have to do is to sign a

form saying they believe in Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji Maharaj and that’s it …. They

can have an Anand Kaaraj….. Personally I find this hard to believe.

I am trying my very hardest to look at this very

diplomatically but all that keeps on going through my head is the beadbi the

Narakdharis carried own in 70s/80s and our 13 saheed brothers.

So my questions to you sangat ji are :

• Has anyone heard of this so called “FORM” ..

  which you can easily sign to say you believe in Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji

  Maharaj and that’s it you can get married in the Gurudwara ?

• It’s not the Girls fault her grandparents are

  Narak Dharis , so should we push them away ? But saying that they probably want

  to get married at the Gurudwara because it is such an amazing building …

• The boy is a Hindhu and from what I have read

  the Hukumnama/sandesh from Sri Akal Takht sahib states you must embrace sikhi

  and change your name to include Singh or Kaur in order to be blessed by maharaj

  .

• Should this Anand Kaaraj be booked ???

AT THE MOMENT MY FIRM ANSWER IS …. NO !!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh !!!!

Fine then call me an extremist, for this but did their narakdhari Guru who is harping on about shabad not being Guru die or something that they want to get married around Guru Granth Sahib?

[JSinghnz]

Nirankaris are not allowed in Gurdwaras. So there is no question of Anand Karaj for them.

[Guest Gupt]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

We
has a very narrow approach to this and had a firm stand on NO, it cant
be done. We went to the gurdwara to listen to Katha by Bhai Joga Singh
Hosiarpur Whale and Maharaj gave us a sign themselves through the katha.

Sometimes we let our Krood and Hunkar blind us and push people away. So we came up with an alternative. The 2 options given to the committee were:

1. A straight up NO on the grounds that the boy is not a Sikh and Girl has Nirankari Grand Parents.

2.
If they are so desperate to have maharajs blessing should we really
push them back to the Narakdharis ? Her Grand Parents are Narakdharis
but not her parents...... So we can up with the following : Firstly the
Boy must Put "Singh" into his name and change all documents aswell as
declare Sikh to be his religion. Secondly Both boy and girl must attend
the Gurdwara for 6 months on a regular basis to do Seva and sit in
Sangat...... If they are soo desperate to have Maharajs blessing they
will do this and who knows they may even become regulars at the Guru Kar
?????

Just a suggestion though so lets see what the response is....

Maharaj Kirpa what ever happens will be for the best.