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White House Condemns 1984 Sikh Genocide and Human Rights Violations in India


Mehtab Singh
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True that ^

We need a wake up call and some unity. Punjabis are like crabs, how you may think? The reason cooks don't put a lid on top of a crab pot is because if one tries to escape the pot, the rest pull it down with them.

Jewish people are united and go out of their way to help each other out, we can learn a lot from our Jewish brothers.

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Whether someone likes it or not, but ask any student of economics, as of now India is a growing economy with somewhere like 8% GDP per year. The middle class in India is anywhere close to 250 million and actually has a magnitude of purchasing power which no country can ignore. There are scores of businessmen in Pakistan who are desperate to sell their products and services to such a huge market but thanks to their government, army, and Jihadi janitors, they just can't. US is already outsourcing a lot of jobs to India (besides other places like Malaysia and Philippines) all because of cheap labor charges. And then India has the image of "the world's largest democracy", where (a.) no martial law is imposed as in Pakistan, (b.) no coups happen as in Pakistan, (c.) has an image of a secular democracy inspite of several human rights violations. So one thing is certain, US cannot take any step now or in the near future which will piss India off.

Secondly, the Sikh population in US is not as high as that of non-Sikhs of Indian descent. Agreed, Sikhs are a contributing section of American society but possibly not as much as others. This will be a hard nut to crack, but we have enough examples of those who entered US illegally and then took political asylum. We have enough of those who did fake marriages only to settle here. You think the Americans don't know that? Really? Sorry, and guess what, they know it all! Our own folks (yes yes, not all and not many) have soiled our image here as bad as other Indians and Pakistanis. Those of you who are born and raised here won't know because you never had to stand in line at a US embassy to get a visa to come to the US, so don't bother thinking over it, you won't get it, lol.

Thirdly, Sikhs are not as important to the goray like the Jews are. Nobody cares. All the sweet talk that happened after the Wisconsin incident was a lollypop, stuff it, shut up and move on, that is how you got to live here. The day they need to screw with India, thats the only day we will finally get some sympathy, nothing before that. So quit expecting sympathy from US just like we quit expecting justice from India.

Last but not the least, our evergreen enemy, i.e. lack of unity. We can't even be united when it comes to getting justice. We have to backstab and legpull each other in the name of...whatever it is, whatever we supposedly owe allegiance to. Our enemies have become smarter but we're too busy fighting among ourselves and the result is in front of us today. We've become a joke! Even after 30,000 signatures we couldn't convince the damn world that it was a freaking genocide!

Shame on those who are insensitive to loss of human life! But bigger shame to those who can't even stay united and fight for a common cause!

May Guru Sahib bless SFJ with more Chardi Kala to carry on the struggle!

This is so true. This may be a little off topic but I have an example of how our own people ruin our image in public. In a Gurdwara they held a candle light vigil in memory of Wisconsin tragedy. The committee invited many officials and other prominent American figures from the state. A few weeks later a fight broke out inside the Gurdwara. Turbans were flying and therefore the cops were called. The cops looked at the Gurdwara with shame. They said that a few weeks ago you guys showed us how peaceful and caring your community is and a few weeks later you're fighting inside your Gurdwara. Our own people mock us so no one takes us seriously.

We want the government to take us seriously but think about how many problems we've had in our own management?

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I remade a topic with a more balanced and positive analysis of the whole situation.

Yes I took this as a positive in that the USA has acknowledged grave human rights violations took place against Sikhs. Most countries are silent on the issue, so an acknowledgement is a start from the USA (who basically run the world). I thought the USA would not use Genocide as they have links with India but 'grave human rights violation' is quite close. The Indians should hang their head in shame that countries are publishing statements about their conduct against Sikhs instead of thinking they have got good news.

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Oh Bai, Siddhi jehi gal hai samajh aaundi hai taan samajh lo -

Any body over here who can't think if Indian Embassy in New York would not had been in discussion with US Admin over this petition?

Clear message from Indian Govt. / Genocide commiters via US government -

"Asin jo karna si kar lea, thode kol jo banda hai kar lo, Apne media banao, US/Canada/UK de Parliaments ch petition paao/discussion karo, UN ch petition pao, jo karna kar lao, saada kuj nahin ukhad sakde". :).

But 1 gal vadhiya sadde pakhon, last 2-3 saal ch jinni justice voice raise hoyi hai, pehlaan kade nahin hoyi. @Mehtab Singh Jee - we have become a bit mature ;), although Gurudware ch Paggan lathniyan band nahin huyian.

Indian govt. 30,000-50,000 bande katl kar ke chup-chaap thande baste ch band karna chahundi si enu, par choti jehi chingari hun vadda roop le rahi hai.

Last 2-3 yrs positive developments

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Hondh-Chillar discovery (Lots of Sikhs in India (even Delhi) don't know much about Hondh-Chillar), Canada Parliament/Australian Parliament/UK Parliament/US Parliament discussions/petitions, Bhai Rajoana protests, Jantar-Mantar demonstrations (never happened at such a large scale in Delhi), banning of Sadda Haq (awareness of Sikhs worldwide, and then struggle to get it approved), now Sadda Haq being released, Ajmer Singh Randhawa blogs doing a bit of awareness.

Now, we are entering 2nd stage of this battle.

1st stage is now over, Sikhs overseas have done a lot, will keep on continuing the struggle, but 2nd stage ---

2nd stage won't even start till local Sikhs (with dead souls) living in India/Punjab realise those who were killed were their own brothers in Sikhi swaroop given by Guru Gobind Singh Jee, they could have faced the same fate at the hands of Indians, and we must get justice for them, rather than an attitude "Ki kar sakde haan".

SIKHS IN INDIA ARE NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING JUSTICE, there are more far important tasks in their diary such as putting gold on walls of Gurudwaras etc. etc. last but not the least arranging 300KG of Kukkad for my Puttar marriage with 500L of DAARU.

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30,000 aww :p

jad world trade centre di gal c ta US kol sab ho gya c.....

Obama ne ek osama nu maran lai sab kita....

Everywhere discrimination is there...beat US or INDIA

the thing is that in US people hide these differences n India everyone shows

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Everywhere discrimination is there...beat US or INDIA

the thing is that in US people hide these differences n India everyone shows

Koi jaruri nai Gurpreet. I'd say its the same in both places. One major difference is that US doesn't have a problem with educating its folks about the injustices of the past. India, forget it! You can have movies here like Mississippi Burning, Ghosts of Mississippi, etc and they became blockbusters. In India there was hue and cry over movies like Bombay and Hawayein, why? Because people want to live in denial, live their dream and deny human rights violations that happen there. The good news is that now thanks to media and the world becoming a small village, everyone knows everything about everyone. There were 10,000 people gathered in Delhi in Nov. 2012 which had Sikhs as well as non-Sikhs. So we can say that the sane and educated Indian youth is not crazy to support any genocide. But the question is, will they support justice?
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SIKHS IN INDIA ARE NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING JUSTICE, there are more far important tasks in their diary such as putting gold on walls of Gurudwaras etc. etc. last but not the least arranging 300KG of Kukkad for my Puttar marriage with 500L of DAARU.

That's what it boils down to, bro. Our brethren back home think we're idiots for bleating on about justice for Sikhs or determining self autonomy. The blinkers are so firmly attached they don't even realise they aren't free. But as long as they can drive around in 4x4s, the daru flows, and the bakre are served up at weddings they don't really care about much else. This isn't an exclusively Sikh trait but an Indian one; the thinking is "If it doesn't affect my day-to-day life then why bother making a fuss over it?". You can't change that century-old mindset over the course of a few years. It's only when there'll be a situation from which they can't shrug their shoulders will they feel the need for change.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. There's only so much NRIs can do. The heavy lifting of change has to come from those in the mire.

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It getting a bit better in India the Rajoana protests and the Sadda Haq film are getting through to some Sikhs in Punjab.

The biggest obstacle has been the inability to get the Sikh message across to the masses in a credible way as the media is totally controlled. The moment somebody mentions anything about justice they are labelled a militant or terrorist sympathiser and as this is drummed into the population on a daily basis as seen with the response to the Sadda Haq film.

The Indian Channels only show Kirtan and do not allow proper discussion on Sikh issues. Anytime there is a discussion you usually get a lone Sikh up against 10 others who are eloquent speakers who put the lone Singh down. Most of the time the Indian channels only show nonsense programmes, together with drugs and alcohol , nakali baba and Sikh preachers who do not mention anything about the last 30 years, its not surprising people are confused in the Punjab.

A Punjab wide programme of speakers, media, and pro Sikh cultural events is needed.

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That's what it boils down to, bro. Our brethren back home think we're idiots for bleating on about justice for Sikhs or determining self autonomy. The blinkers are so firmly attached they don't even realise they aren't free.

"You can’t stop a revolution from breathing, so to beat them they offer people the illusion of freedom".

I can see why people don't want to do anything. People in Punjab are scared of those days when boys wouldn't come back home. But, it's a hidden war now. People don't realise what's happening to them. Our water is going from our lands. Children hooked on drugs, no education or jobs. They are slowly killing us. I guess it's time for them to wake up and smell the coffee.

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