Anmol Bachans - Precious Words By Saints

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Thank you, That's nice ..

But thinking about this a little harder, I question to myself ''where does that leave mann jitey jagjeet ??''

I thought the idea is to conquer the mind and surrender our body !

But if we could surrender our mind, then we wouldn't be in duality !!

I think that Guru Nanak ji's idea was to conquer mind and maya and rise above it.

He mentions- that we still swim across the world ocean and not detach from it by assuming to get across without any contact with it .

People who follows Gurbani will agree with you.

People who follows the bhagats who says below one needs to look into themselves what kind of sikhism they are following.

Parmesher bhagta vich vasda hai, parmesher nu bhagta duara hi jaaneya ja sakda hai ate bhagta ne bhagti karke hi parmesher nu jaaneya hai

Parmesher sab vich vasda hai te ohnu odi marzi nall guru de hukum vich reh ke jaaneya ja sakta hai.

"God is in everybody, we can realize him with his hukum following the way Guru told".

Above bold quote is mine.

[tuhintuhin]

waheguru ji...a different thread has been started for discussions on bachans, so this doesn't get into debate. This link has been copied and pasted for reference.

@ Lucky singh

My thought on your opinion is that the only way for Mind to surrender is if it's won over. And it's the nature of God that only a higher level can win over a lower level. A person go to someone to learn who's on the higher level in that field. Same here, soul is higher than mind, as soul is pure, light of God and mind is based on the outer things he sees, feels, touches etc.

Body is slave to mind. Whatever mind says, body follows that. Every physical action/reaction is born as a thought first and then that thought becomes action. For example my friend asks me to go to Gurdwara, I think for a while and reply back "umm, no I wanna watch this movie, we'll go some other time"...

Now if my "mind" was under "aatma", my aatma would have asked my mind to go to Gurudwara, as aatma is the part of parmatma, and always ask the right thing.

Once soul (because soul or light inside us is the part of "supreme light") has conquered the mind, the mind will automatically rise above from "maya" , "body/senses/indriya" and "sansar" (jag jeet), as the utimate goal for every soul is to be one with the "supreme light".

The bachan is the elaboration of "man jeete jag jeet"

[luckysingh99]

waheguru ji...a different thread has been started for discussions on bachans, so this doesn't get into debate. This link has been copied and pasted for reference.

@ Lucky singh

My thought on your opinion is that the only way for Mind to surrender is if it's won over. And it's the nature of God that only a higher level can win over a lower level. A person go to someone to learn who's on the higher level in that field. Same here, soul is higher than mind, as soul is pure, light of God and mind is based on the outer things he sees, feels, touches etc.

Body is slave to mind. Whatever mind says, body follows that. Every physical action/reaction is born as a thought first and then that thought becomes action. For example my friend asks me to go to Gurdwara, I think for a while and reply back "umm, no I wanna watch this movie, we'll go some other time"...

Now if my "mind" was under "aatma", my aatma would have asked my mind to go to Gurudwara, as aatma is the part of parmatma, and always ask the right thing.

Once soul (because soul or light inside us is the part of "supreme light") has conquered the mind, the mind will automatically rise above from "maya" , "body/senses/indriya" and "sansar" (jag jeet), as the utimate goal for every soul is to be one with the "supreme light".

The bachan is the elaboration of "man jeete jag jeet"

So your saying that 1st- Conquer and Win your mind over and then

2nd- Surrender your mind to your soul ???

I'm a little confused because I think I've nearly conquered my mind, but I don't know what to surrender ??

Should it be My head to Guruji or just my mind ??

OR do I just leave it ALL to Hukam ??

Hang on...., wouldn't it make sense to Surrender and Submit yourself to the HUKAM.

Isn't that what the Guru's did ??

[tuhintuhin]

I'm a little confused because I think I've nearly conquered my mind, but I don't know what to surrender ??

Should it be My head to Guruji or just my mind ??

OR do I just leave it ALL to Hukam ??

waheguru ji.....could you please explain in detail what do you mean by "I" word you used?

Please do so in other thread for discussions on bachans.

[tuhintuhin]

Bulle shah :-

"Bulleya rab da ki pauna, edhron putke edhar launa"

Rab bande de ander adrisht vasda hai, par "mann" nu "duniya" te "maya" valon torh ke rab val laun naal Rab nu pragat karke us naal mel ho sakda hai......

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

bulleya jeda man vich vasda hai ohnu padaya hi nahi

[tuhintuhin]

Manukh da moonh ik time te iko disha vich hi ho sakda hai, ik time te o do paase nahin dekh sakda, dooje pase dekhan layi usnu pehli thaan ton apnia akhhan fernia painia han.....................ise taran sarhak te ik time te iko disha val hi tureya ja sakda hai, dono val nahin, dooji disha val turan layi pehli nu shadna penda hai..................ise taran rab val chalan layi duniya ton androoni taur te moonh ferna penda hai, moh maya diya zanzeera ton upar uthke hi rab nu paya ja sakda hai..........ya ta rab val moonh hovega ya rishteya vich..........Jiwein Guru Nanak Dev ji ne grehsath jeewan te parupkaar karan di sikheya apne jeewan vichon diti hai maya ton upar utheke....

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Aisi te amli haan begar nashe de te kaam bhi nahin hunde

ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਰਹਿ ਨ ਸਕਉ ਇਕ ਰਾਤੀ ॥

Har Bin Rehi N Sako Eik Raathee ||

हरि बिनु रहि न सकउ इक राती ॥

Without the Lord, I cannot live for even a second.

ਜਿਉ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਮਲੈ ਅਮਲੀ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਈ ਹੈ ਤਿਉ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਹਮ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਤੀ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Jio Bin Amalai Amalee Mar Jaaee Hai Thio Har Bin Ham Mar Jaathee || Rehaao ||

जिउ बिनु अमलै अमली मरि जाई है तिउ हरि बिनु हम मरि जाती ॥ रहाउ ॥

Like the addict who dies without his drug, I die without the Lord. ||Pause||

[stingers12]

Nanak naam Ammoal

[N30S1NGH]

source: http://www.rarasahib.com/Isher3.htm

Self Percept (Atam Updesh) Why are you so engrossed in worries? Why are you afraid of some one? Who may kill you? The soul is immortal; it neither dies nor takes birth.

The present is here and now, the past is irrecoverable and the future will be good. Don't fret over the past and don't be worried about the future. The present is going on.

Why do you cry? What did you lose? When you were born, what did you bring along, which has been lost? What did you produce which has been perished? It is here that you gained and it is here that you lose. The man comes to; and goes from world, empty handed.

What you own today was not yours yesterday and will not be yours tomorrow. It does not and will not belong to anyone. You consider it your own and rejoice. This happiness of possession leads you to utter grief.

Yours is this world. Start from where you feel to; stay where you desire and wind up where you want to. It has no beginning and no end. You don't fear anyone, but yourself. You are the fright and also the frightened.

Change is the truth of life. What you consider as death is life in reality. In a moment a multi-millionaire is turned pauper. Give up the feeling of possession, great & the mean; differentiation of friend & foe. Then all is yours and you for everyone. Your corporeal being is a product of air, water and fire and it merges into the same leaving behind neither blood nor bones. Still yours existence remains the same. Then ponder over what you are.

Wake up! and become the eternal sons of the Almighty. You are the great and unique manifestation of Nature's power. All the divine powers are possessed by you, like a tree hidden in the seed.

In fact you don't fear anybody; you don't have any worry, suspicion, pain or grief. You are His dear ones. Surrender yourself completely to Him.

Always, remember the "Waheguru" (God) to achieve salvation. Let your life be guided by the saying "Whatever God wills, is good". Be content with the will of God. Remember Him both in pleasure & pain.

Compiled by His Holiness Sant Isher Singh Ji Maharaj