number of hindu's killed

[UKLondonSikh]

Is it true the ISI were pulling the strings of Sikh militant operations during the 80s and 90s, and Singhs were going to training camps over the border for training?

UK = VHS Paji don't believe that for a second. It's simply anti-Sikh propaganda pumped out by our enemies. In 1947 the Muslims butchered and hacked to death over 300,000 innocent Sikhs. Imagine Delhi on November 1st 1984 multiplied by a hundred. And our enemies have the gall to accuse even a single member of our Panth of colluding with the "other" worse butchers of our Qaum!? It's flabbergasting how clever our enemies are at propaganda

Thats a lie told by hindu punjabi's and haryanvi hindu's to justify their genocide of Sikhs. At most the number of hindu's killed in the conflict in punjab probably never topped 1,000 and mostly were of the low caste hindu migrant labourers and others were Hindu punjabis of non-bhaman caste who were killed by their own hindus and criminal gadar Sikhs and indian punabi muslims (alam sena) who joined black cat pro-indian govt milita's to give Sikhs and Khalistan forces a bad name as has been proved by evidence in countless documents. Number of Sikhs killed topped 50,000 during the punjab conflict this is another black mark on the democracy claim of India that used such state terrorist methods against civilian Sikh populations to try and destroy the khalistan movement any means necessary for as the demonic dogs of indian establishment try to justify.

UK = Genie Paji i totally agree with you. But we must not forget that prior to 1960's language issue that crystallised the definition of what are Hindu Punjabi's these same so-called Hindu Punjabi's overwhelmingly attended Gurdwaray (and were thus Sikh). Via Saada Haq and disseminating other facts such as that for every innocent Hindu killed by Muhammad Azhar Alam's Black Cats for Indira's propagnada purposes against Sikhs ... one hundred times more innocent Sikhs were killed the tide can turn in our favour. Therefore via pyaar and logic and acceptance of them in the main as initially Sehajdhari Sikhs a majority of so-called Hindu Punjabi's in 2013 can easily become members of the Sikh Panth if we don't view ALL of them as our enemies but restrict our opposition to our specific RSS+Sena type enemies.

[genie]

UKLondonSikh, brother i dont view all hindus as enemies of Sikhs just specific types who are very hostile and openly enemies of Sikhs due to politics of power and subjugation of Sikhs as they suddenly became the majority ruling power in a newly created india in 1947. The ones im taking about are the extremist types of the shiv sena, rss, brahmin sena types. The rest of the hindu punjabis are basically sehajdhari Sikhs but involved in idol or human guru worship which can be countered with enough media awareness of these false gods.

When we look at the propaganda that hindu extremists put out about khalistan and Sikh shaheeds then they play right into the hands of pakistan and islamic zealots who wish to see 2 non-muslim communities waste their time and resources attacking and wiping each other out while they grow in number to take over land attack both faiths. So its in the interests of these hindu extremists to heal the wounds they unleased from 1950s onwards and work with Sikhs in formulating a Khalistan within the indian union and taking out pakistan's hold on punjab. The bhamanvad hindu extremist leaders shot themselves in the foot decades ago if they have any brains they will see were the long term goals lie and thats having dharmic religions allied together against islam which is hostile to all other belief systems.

[UKLondonSikh]

^^^^ 100% agree with you above again Genie Paji. The specific enemies you correctly list above are evil enemies we have to destroy by any means necassary. One of the ways to do that is to wipe out there so-called support base by classifying as many people as possible outside of the so-called fold of Hinduism. For example, nobody that is poor is Hindu, those are natural Sikhs even if they might not keep kes. Those that believe in Ishwar, Bhagwan, ThakurJi, Hari etc as God are all Sikh. The whole game our enemies have constructed is of classifying anyone without kes as Hindu so that they can claim to be an 80% majority and thus control 1.25 billion people. The reality is the specific enemies you refer to number no more than 10 million throughout India (not even 1% yet the resources they control are more like 90%). Remember even 80% of Brahmins are actually struggling financially just like most other Indians and just like Mehtab Singh Paji and Bhai Mati Das Ji and Bhai Sati Das Ji to name a few, my sincere belief is that even 80% of Brahmins would naturally be ready to embrace the Truth of Sikhi, particularly if we welcome them initially as Sehajdhari Sikhs. Sikhi makes sense because it's the Truth and dedicated to Sarbat dha Bhalla. It offers justice and equality and freedom to all. The more we grow our numbers by any method (primary of which is pyaar and seva) the more our adversaries will tremble.

[13Mirch]

From what I know kharkoos set up camps in Pakistan and elsewhere but they ran them and trained other kharkoos. The governments only gave them land.

[Pappi9]

From what I know kharkoos set up camps in Pakistan and elsewhere but they ran them and trained other kharkoos. The governments only gave them land.

yes ...even in one video ( youtube ) ..... one of sikh kharkoo said that they went to pakistan for training ........ and i've read somewhere ...that even bhai hawara went to pakistan......

but i think that there must be some mislead sikh youth.....who did killed hindu brothers( even 40 - 100 hindus )..........( i mean no movement is perfect )

[UKLondonSikh]

^^^^ Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara never went to Pakistan. That's just RSS propaganda.

Not a single Hindu was killed by a single true Amritdhari. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindrawale always condemned the killing of innocents.

The youth you refer PappiJi may have been patit but Khalsa Panth by definition do not ever kill innocent human beings.

Killing innocent human beings was what Indira did via her Black Cat regiments led by Muhammad Azhar Alam.

[kullykhalsa]

^^^^ 100% agree with you above again Genie Paji. The specific enemies you correctly list above are evil enemies we have to destroy by any means necassary. One of the ways to do that is to wipe out there so-called support base by classifying as many people as possible outside of the so-called fold of Hinduism. For example, nobody that is poor is Hindu, those are natural Sikhs even if they might not keep kes. Those that believe in Ishwar, Bhagwan, ThakurJi, Hari etc as God are all Sikh. The whole game our enemies have constructed is of classifying anyone without kes as Hindu so that they can claim to be an 80% majority and thus control 1.25 billion people. The reality is the specific enemies you refer to number no more than 10 million throughout India (not even 1% yet the resources they control are more like 90%). Remember even 80% of Brahmins are actually struggling financially just like most other Indians and just like Mehtab Singh Paji and Bhai Mati Das Ji and Bhai Sati Das Ji to name a few, my sincere belief is that even 80% of Brahmins would naturally be ready to embrace the Truth of Sikhi, particularly if we welcome them initially as Sehajdhari Sikhs. Sikhi makes sense because it's the Truth and dedicated to Sarbat dha Bhalla. It offers justice and equality and freedom to all. The more we grow our numbers by any method (primary of which is pyaar and seva) the more our adversaries will tremble.

sounds a bit paranoid there are lots of bad people in this world not just specific militant hindutva organisations, destroy by any means necessary is a bit over the top people from the 84 riots should get there sajja but we dont need to grow our numbers the gurus never openly asked hindus to convert your actions should show them that sikhi way is amazing but so is hindu way if followed rightly you have no place to "wipe out" a religion absolute horse/<banned word filter activated> that would make us as bad as the mughals of old/political hindutva orgnisations

[UKLondonSikh]

Kully = sounds a bit paranoid there are lots of bad people in this world not just specific militant hindutva organisations,

London = Agreed Paji, racists and Nazi's like Anders Breivik, terrorists whether they be Muslim or like Indira are all the enemies of the Sikh Panth

Kully = destroy by any means necessary is a bit over the top

London = the ideologies that put tyres around innocent people's necks or kills scores of children on a Norwegian Island or kills 300,000 plus Sikhs in Pakistan in 1947 do need to be destroyed

Kully = people from the 84 riots should get there sajja

London = Agreed and the best sajja that we can all participate in is doing our best in our own little ways to create a larger and Unified Sikh Qaum, without biraderi, without alcohol consumption, without drugs or female infanticide or illiteracy or poverty plaguing it

Kully = but we dont need to grow our numbers

London = Sikhi is for Sarbat dha Bhalla. A thousand people working collectively as a Sadh Sangat to help the poor and oppressed is always better than ten people doing the same.

Kully = the gurus never openly asked hindus to convert

London = I never said anything about converting people. Let's accept those who attend the Gurdwara but might have a name like Kumar to be accepted as Sehajdhari members of our Panth. Let's invite all those who believe in Sarbat dha Bhalla to join hands with us as Sikhi is the best platform to create social change in society as our Guru Sahib showed.

Kully = your actions should show them that sikhi way is amazing

London = 100% agreed

Kully = but so is hindu way if followed rightly

London = there is no precise definition of a "Hindu" way. Most people defined by the RSS as Hindu's are in fact Sikhs. The word Hindu itself is an Arabic word.

Kully = you have no place to "wipe out" a religion absolute horse/<banned word filter activated>

London = Kully Paji you've got the wrong end of the stick :-) I never said anything about wiping out the followers of a whole religion!

London = I was referring to wiping out ideologies that commit terrorist murders against innocent human beings.

Kully = that would make us as bad as the mughals of old/political hindutva orgnisations

London = Agreed the murder of innocents is wrong. Hindutva's political base can be wiped out by acceptance of most good Hindu's as being Sehajdhari Sikhs.

London = But good on you Khalsa Ji for pulling me up on what you perceived about my wording.

London = It's better for us to criticise anti-Gurmat hatred where we see it (rather than stay quiet) so VJKK VJKF