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Dasam Granth --- Missionary Exposed By Giani Sher Singh Ji


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its a shame their uk tour does not include any of the main gurdwara's in London , ie southall and slough - these two gur khar are controlled missionairy committees

most of the dates are all up north

Where can these dates/locations be found? Thanks
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GPSji and UK London ji

Just a little message to both of you.

1st, GPSji, I believe you are well versed with Dasam Bani.

I have followed some of your debate with UK London Sikh, and he himself does make some valid points as well.

What I find confusing is that this debate remains ongoing without any resolving.

I don't hold any higher regards for either one of you, as I see you both as Sikhs that have some better knowledge than myself.

I believe many other members feel this way as well.

I would like to see some respectable dialogue where the dates and inaccuracies debated can be laid out side by side.

This is the only way, where someone approaching this subject can make up their own mind with confidence.

I think a lot of members accept Dasam Bani as by the guruji, but are not too sure whether parts like charitropakhian are old folk tales and stories put together and composed in order to teach us.

I am still learning and would like to learn more, like all of us.

But I don't like how we are creating a line in between members following these missionary beliefs.

I don't accept how missionaries seem to define all simran as parroting because we all know that if there is no dhian or focus, then there is obviously no simran !

But to call some one's kamayee and effort with dhian as parroting is complete Manmatt in my opinion.

There is a gurmat way of meditating and there is also a non-gurmat or manmat way of meditating.

But they seem to take the easy and ill mannered extreme approach and label all as manmatt.

I would appreciate some sensible and mature discussion as you both have very good knowledge and concepts.

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GPSji and UK London ji

Just a little message to both of you.

1st, GPSji, I believe you are well versed with Dasam Bani.

I have followed some of your debate with UK London Sikh, and he himself does make some valid points as well.

What I find confusing is that this debate remains ongoing without any resolving.

I don't hold any higher regards for either one of you, as I see you both as Sikhs that have some better knowledge than myself.

I believe many other members feel this way as well.

I would like to see some respectable dialogue where the dates and inaccuracies debated can be laid out side by side.

This is the only way, where someone approaching this subject can make up their own mind with confidence.

I think a lot of members accept Dasam Bani as by the guruji, but are not too sure whether parts like charitropakhian are old folk tales and stories put together and composed in order to teach us.

I am still learning and would like to learn more, like all of us.

But I don't like how we are creating a line in between members following these missionary beliefs.

I don't accept how missionaries seem to define all simran as parroting because we all know that if there is no dhian or focus, then there is obviously no simran !

But to call some one's kamayee and effort with dhian as parroting is complete Manmatt in my opinion.

There is a gurmat way of meditating and there is also a non-gurmat or manmat way of meditating.

But they seem to take the easy and ill mannered extreme approach and label all as manmatt.

I would appreciate some sensible and mature discussion as you both have very good knowledge and concepts.

What were good points made by londonsikh.Can you post those here so that we can elaborate on those as you seem to talk to the point.

When he is told to meet or Giani sher singh he says he knows nothing about Dasam Bani. When we give him quotes from the same bani he talks that Guru sahib has condemned casteism, he just turns around and keep mum on that.

Let us come to chartiropkhayan now.99.9 percent of those who oppose charitropakhayan do not know how charitropakhayan starts.They have not read Dasam granth but are given ready made lines that they quote out of context. It is a series of stories that start from chraitra 2 wherein a minister recites these stories to king who was wrongly about to hang his son from first marriage. He was old and marries a young girl and lady is not happy with marriage.She approaches his step son for physical relation and son says that how can a son have this with her mother though a step one.

She complains to King that he wanted to outrage her modesty.King is about to award death sentence to his son.The minister is very intelligent and he knows the truth as he understands character of King's son.He thinks that if he directly tells king that he is misled, king is not going to listen and will kill him as well.So he starts reciting stories to king about how lust is a truth and many people indulge in this and many are enticed by beauty and do bad acts.

Now what is the moral from this charitra? Moral is that King;s duty is to look after welfare of his subjects and not indulge in luxury and lustful activities.At old age instead of remembering God he is seeking sexual gratificATION which is bad for his state. Then it also teaches that age should be compatible between a couple.

These morals are not written in clear cut language as a seeker has to decode these.That is why Guru sahib has written in the end of this bani that listen what i am going to tell you now and those who listen to it with attention will become wise from dumb.

Now can you list here waht Good londonsikh uttered about this bani? Lust is part and parcel of life.SGGS tells us to control it and Dasam granth tells samething by describing what is lust.

In fact when we get married , Bhai sahib quotes from charitropakhayn to the couple asking them that do not indulge in extra marital affairs and be loyal to each otehr.This is the bani from where one of bajjar kurehits of khalsa is taken.

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I'm a recent follower of Giani Sher Singh Ji and his katha and its brilliant! I am able to relate more with Gurbani after lisening to his kathas. Is there a site for all of his kathas?

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There is a gurmat way of meditating and there is also a non-gurmat or manmat way of meditating

There is only one way of meditating as sikhi is all the way Gurus way.What is manmat way of meditating ??

Is that a serious question where you expect an answer that you are not aware of ??

You only have to look at other sources of western material to gather that meditation can be done without any focus or dhian on waheguru !

Don't you think that would not be gurmat ??

I sincerely requested that you both dialogue sensibly and get some solid ground covered. But you are asking me to tell you 'who said what' !!

I don't make a request to intervene to try and throw my weight into this.

You may either ignore my post at your own wish or you can continue going around in circle without covering any ground.

It is about learning.

I can't learn by picking to choose what I like to hear or read.

If you anyone find's my comments or suggestions bothersome or out of order, then pleas just ignore them as that was never my intention.

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