Jump to content

Recommended Posts

I recently heard about a horrible law case and this's how it went down...

A man married a woman 14 years ago while the woman's daughter was 3. In 2013 the daughter is now 17 and has a boyfriend, the step dad found out about this and slapped the daughter (just like what would happen with most indian parents). The daughter got mad and went to her boyfriend where they came up with a plan to charge the step dad for rape even though he didn't do anything like that. The step dad gets arrested for this and spends 3 months in prison while the step daughter and her mom take all the money from their joint bank account. The Gurdwara raises money for the man and he's released on bail. But the step daughter doesn't want this so she comes up with all these false allegations like being touched and being raped, while getting all of her friends to be "witnesses" to a fake crime. The man has no money because it all got taken while he was in jail so he can't afford a lawyer.

What I find disgusting is that the step dad treated the daughter like his own and made sure she didn't go through any problems, he even bought her a brand new car and was willing to pay for her college even though she wasn't his real daughter.

What would he have to do? He could face up to 5-10 years in jail over a crime he didn't commit.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmm... If she was raped, then there needs to be evidence.. They should have conducted medical examination on her to find out the truth. This man needs to get a good lawyer to defend him..

the medal exam showed it was a lie.. but the "being touched" part is still going on

Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't know how true this story is.......Sounds a bit iffy to me BUT......there's one thing that sticks out. He became her dad when she was 3 and she's now 17. Throughout her entire life so far he has had responsibility of bringing her up.....teaching her values etc. Throughout her entire life thus far it is this man that the youngster looked to for moral guidance in life. That was his responsibility.

Lets be honest now brothers and sisters.......he's done a pretty atrocious job of it. You can't help but question the strength of his own moral fibre on the back of that. Of course that doesn't make him a sex offender etc, but to bring up a child with such criminal low morals he's obviously done more things wrong than right so far.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't know how true this story is.......Sounds a bit iffy to me BUT......there's one thing that sticks out. He became her dad when she was 3 and she's now 17. Throughout her entire life so far he has had responsibility of bringing her up.....teaching her values etc. Throughout her entire life thus far it is this man that the youngster looked to for moral guidance in life. That was his responsibility.

Lets be honest now brothers and sisters.......he's done a pretty atrocious job of it. You can't help but question the strength of his own moral fibre on the back of that. Of course that doesn't make him a sex offender etc, but to bring up a child with such criminal low morals he's obviously done more things wrong than right so far.

The man worked three jobs and was away from home most of the time, for example he had one main job and two part time jobs (he'd work his main job in the day, then sleep a few hours and leave for the next) .. they were poor so he had to constantly work. The daughter spent a lot of time with her masee's (moms sisters) who did not like the step dad. So that's the reason the daughter was like this, her aunt's brainwashed her.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Update: All of the sex charges have been proved false, the only thing left is that the daughter said he was threatening her and her friends with death threats.

Will the law require her to prove it, or will the fact that her friends are lying with her be enough?

And in your opinion, after this's over, should he make her leave his house and live somewhere else? In a few months when the girl's 18, he technically doesn't have to let her live in his house.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Update: All of the sex charges have been proved false, the only thing left is that the daughter said he was threatening her and her friends with death threats.

Will the law require her to prove it, or will the fact that her friends are lying with her be enough?

And in your opinion, after this's over, should he make her leave his house and live somewhere else? In a few months when the girl's 18, he technically doesn't have to let her live in his house.

Its hard to answer your questions on the point of law without knowing what country you're in Simranpreet Singh. Here in England, the dad wouldn't have to wait another year to throw her out of the house. The legal age for everything except vote....and I mean everything including drinking in pubs and nightclubs etc is 16. He could have thrown her out last year and saved himself the aggravation. But like I said it's difficult to answer the legal points without knowing which jurisdiction you're talking about. You see, the thing is here in Europe nobody really gets to spend even an hour behind bars in a police station unless its a really really henious crime. In contrast, in North America, the authorities love locking people up even for traffic offences. Indeed, America locks up more of it's population than any other country in the hstory of the world. But yeah...he should throw her out and kick the mum out too while he's at it.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Its hard to answer your questions on the point of law without knowing what country you're in Simranpreet Singh. Here in England, the dad wouldn't have to wait another year to throw her out of the house. The legal age for everything except vote....and I mean everything including drinking in pubs and nightclubs etc is 16. He could have thrown her out last year and saved himself the aggravation. But like I said it's difficult to answer the legal points without knowing which jurisdiction you're talking about. You see, the thing is here in Europe nobody really gets to spend even an hour behind bars in a police station unless its a really really henious crime. In contrast, in North America, the authorities love locking people up even for traffic offences. Indeed, America locks up more of it's population than any other country in the hstory of the world. But yeah...he should throw her out and kick the mum out too while he's at it.

Its hard to answer your questions on the point of law without knowing what country you're in Simranpreet Singh. Here in England, the dad wouldn't have to wait another year to throw her out of the house. The legal age for everything except vote....and I mean everything including drinking in pubs and nightclubs etc is 16. He could have thrown her out last year and saved himself the aggravation. But like I said it's difficult to answer the legal points without knowing which jurisdiction you're talking about. You see, the thing is here in Europe nobody really gets to spend even an hour behind bars in a police station unless its a really really henious crime. In contrast, in North America, the authorities love locking people up even for traffic offences. Indeed, America locks up more of it's population than any other country in the hstory of the world. But yeah...he should throw her out and kick the mum out too while he's at it.

This's in Canada. I don't know what the police are going to do about the fake death threats and the slap... Also the mom had no say in this, the daughter did this with her boyfriend's cousin who's a police officer, her masee and her cousin who's a lawyer. The moms trying to convince her daughter to lift the charges but she won't listen.

Link to post
Share on other sites

This's in Canada. I don't know what the police are going to do about the fake death threats and the slap... Also the mom had no say in this, the daughter did this with her boyfriend's cousin who's a police officer, her masee and her cousin who's a lawyer. The moms trying to convince her daughter to lift the charges but she won't listen.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada has, does it not, have Laws which state that anyone that makes a domestic violence allegation (any violence within the home) cannot then retract those allegations without suffering serious criminal charges from the authorities themselves ? If, as I suspect, that is the case, the girl is now caught between a rock and a hard place. She can't withdraw her complaint.

On the other issue, Canada is a very civilised country. It's not Punjab. If the Police Officer has misused his position there will be serious consequences for him. I don't know if its the Peel Police, Vancouver or Surrey Police but whichever it is, your relation needs to get down to police hq and file a formal complaint. Regardless of whether or not anything comes of it at least he'll be getting the facts relating to the case out there.

But anyhow, Canadian Law operates on basic English common law principles. The man can't be convicted on hearesay. Unless they have written, audio or video proof of him making a death threat the Court cannot find him guilty.

Unfortunately, what sometimes happens in these situations is that Punjabi men in Canada who are relatively recent immigrants receive either bad legal advice or feel pressured to plead guilty when confronted with the choice of a misdemeanor slap on the wrist or the possibility of a serious stretch of jail time. This situation you portray is all too common in Canada. I know because some of my own uncles and aunties out there have been thrown in jail on the say of their own daughters. I know the UK Sikhs love to complain alot but they don't know how good they've got it compared to the situation out where you are.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Update: All of the sex charges have been proved false, the only thing left is that the daughter said he was threatening her and her friends with death threats.

Will the law require her to prove it, or will the fact that her friends are lying with her be enough?

And in your opinion, after this's over, should he make her leave his house and live somewhere else? In a few months when the girl's 18, he technically doesn't have to let her live in his house.

I think if all other charges have prove to be wrong then, judge or jury knows that she is lying. They would need solid evidence but i am not a lawyer or anything. When she turns 18, he should kick her out the same day..

Link to post
Share on other sites

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada has, does it not, have Laws which state that anyone that makes a domestic violence allegation (any violence within the home) cannot then retract those allegations without suffering serious criminal charges from the authorities themselves ? If, as I suspect, that is the case, the girl is now caught between a rock and a hard place. She can't withdraw her complaint.

On the other issue, Canada is a very civilised country. It's not Punjab. If the Police Officer has misused his position there will be serious consequences for him. I don't know if its the Peel Police, Vancouver or Surrey Police but whichever it is, your relation needs to get down to police hq and file a formal complaint. Regardless of whether or not anything comes of it at least he'll be getting the facts relating to the case out there.

But anyhow, Canadian Law operates on basic English common law principles. The man can't be convicted on hearesay. Unless they have written, audio or video proof of him making a death threat the Court cannot find him guilty.

Unfortunately, what sometimes happens in these situations is that Punjabi men in Canada who are relatively recent immigrants receive either bad legal advice or feel pressured to plead guilty when confronted with the choice of a misdemeanor slap on the wrist or the possibility of a serious stretch of jail time. This situation you portray is all too common in Canada. I know because some of my own uncles and aunties out there have been thrown in jail on the say of their own daughters. I know the UK Sikhs love to complain alot but they don't know how good they've got it compared to the situation out where you are.

Thank you for the amazing answer. I hope this turns out the way it should.

I think if all other charges have prove to be wrong then, judge or jury knows that she is lying. They would need solid evidence but i am not a lawyer or anything. When she turns 18, he should kick her out the same day..

You're right about that.

Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abca/doc/2005/2005abca246/2005abca246.html

Since that time, the law has been settled that, as a general rule, the Charter only applies to government actions, not interactions between private citizens or institutions

R V Dell 2005, Line 6 ^

----

Charter of CANADA. (emphasis on all caps name, more info on that later).

  • 32. (1) This Charter applies

    • (a) to the Parliament and government of Canada in respect of all matters within the authority of Parliament including all matters relating to the Yukon Territory and Northwest Territories; and

    • (b) to the legislature and government of each province in respect of all matters within the authority of the legislature of each province.

52. (1) The Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada, and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is, to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect.

He's charged under criminal code, however that's under charter and if they cannot prove jurisdiction they cannot convict him.(They never can, more on that later). Pm me, I'll give you my email as Sikhs we will not use this for corrupted purposes but this is the truth about the system we live in. (All of the court stuff is fake, there is a law of the land aka no injury, damage, or fraud but it is never enforced. Revenue reasons most likely, more on that later too, lol.)

I've 'gotten away' with firearms, and threats towards police (aka I am a sikh, you threaten me I will defend myself) all through this real knowledge. I won't post full info here except for google 10 maxims of law, as to many people this is such a shock, they think I'm lying. I personally, know people who drive without 'license' as we have title to the roads, and a license is for commerce (aka taxi driver). I've used accept 4 value, to have the CRA act as my bank teller/representative, and therefore use only my signature and a promise to pay (which is why today's money is) to pay off my credit card, and I do this regularly.

I've posted this just now, in bits and pieces but this is the original way I ended the post.

Anyway, veer ji will be free, and can counter claim/put a lien on the step-daughter and mom and get all his money back with change.

I suspect this is in Toronto area, I don't start school until september and I guarentee this will be over in a matter of weeks lol.

-

Note to other sikhs, please do a private prosecution if you want to charge someone, or make the crown charge under the common law aka law of the land. Statuortory aka code violations aren't worth the paper they're written on.

-

Here's another gem:

R V Big Drug Mart, Idk the exact line as it's not well organized like the new ones (canlii) but it cites s. 52 aka charter is above all other 'laws' of CANADA.

We can keep going deeper, but let's get our brother out of that hell-hole.

-

Forgot to say:

VJKVJF

Link to post
Share on other sites

1.Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada has, does it not, have Laws which state that anyone that makes a domestic violence allegation (any violence within the home) cannot then retract those allegations without suffering serious criminal charges from the authorities themselves ?

2. If, as I suspect, that is the case, the girl is now caught between a rock and a hard place. She can't withdraw her complaint.

3. If the Police Officer has misused his position there will be serious consequences for him. I don't know if its the Peel Police, Vancouver or Surrey Police but whichever it is, your relation needs to get down to police hq and file a formal complaint.

4. the facts relating to the case out there.

5. English common law principles.

6. The man can't be convicted on hearesay. Unless they have written, audio or video proof of him making a death threat the

7. Court cannot find him guilty.

8. Unfortunately, ... guilty when confronted with the choice of a misdemeanor slap on the wrist or the possibility of a serious stretch of jail time.

9. I know the UK Sikhs love to complain alot but they don't know how good they've got it compared to the situation out where you are.

Not meant as an attack but let me answer this one by one with emphasis on number 3.

1. Canada is a common law jurisdiction, CANADA is not. However, anything taken under oath is sworn with the penalty of perjury, so yes.

2. No, she always has a choice.

3. No, a formal complaint will get you a beating, false raids, etc. This is a police state, if you don't trust me come to my area at night and watch police try to keep you inside aka curfew.

4. In law, a fact is something that both parties agree upon, based upon the maxims 'silence is acquiescence', and 'an unrebutted affidavit stands as truth' (and judgement). So, as far as the case is concerned (haven't read the thread through, as there's no need) only sworn statements aka affidavits, and really only those filed into court, concern the judge.

5. Too deep for this post, summary common law has two meanings. Common understanding aka no harm, injury, fraud, the law of the land aka 10 maxims. Also meant to be a principal whereby, previous sentences serve as a guideline so judges don't constantly make decisions blind. Kind of irrelevant, since CANADA despite claiming the principal of precedent, charges people for things like seat belts, drugs, and weapons. All of which harm no-one and breach no peace, it does this by fraud (more on this later), and deceit.

6. Yes, he can. Reasonable doubt, especially in a administrative hearing aka star court, where there is no jury things like that will happen all the time. Seen it personally, witnesses can change their story 3 times, and even from what they originally tell police, and what police say: there will still be a conviction, as the courts are rigged (naturally it would be 50% conviction, but it is closer to 80-90%+).

Remember another thing, any statement given under oath is no longer hearsay, it's evidence, and you must rebut it. It gets complicated in the fact that you're supposed to have evidence to back up your statement, but essentially a witness taking the stand is like swearing an affidavit. When's the last time you say a lawyer do anything but schedule more court dates for money? Do you ever see a lawyer rebut statements, or the defendant? No, they attempt to 'disprove' the case, however do you ever wonder why the judge upon a guilty plea/sentence says based on facts read into the record?

Fact, something which both parties agree upon. You don't disagree, therefore you submit. I've learned the concepts, but not the intricacies. For example, what is really going on corporately during a trial? However, that is research as I know how to never let it get to a trial stage, you just file a motion to dismiss and boom.

7. A slave will always have work to do, now does he know how to assert his Sui Juris status (fully competent to handle own affairs), regardless we will teach him.

8. Or because of no jury, concerned that judge may get pissed and mess you up anyway.

9. It is the same thing, injustice is injustice UK just doesn't have scary America to make sheeple want tougher everything. (and less freedom, aka easier for criminals).

VJKVJF

-

I'm gonna help this guy, file a lien for millions on these kunjarnis. Have fun being debt slaves for the rest of your lives. :)

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks to Waheguru's kirpa he's gotten a very good lawyer... the only problem is the money, but they should be able to come up with a way to get the money.

As for the police officer who's related to the boyfriend (he didn't know the allegations were lies), he has also said that the girls are very likely to be put in jail for lying like this.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use