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only five ji.. i will only give you gurbani de parman, ahead is aap ji de bhaag..

"kabeer maya dolni, pawan chakolanhar, santa makhan kahaya, chaach peye sansar.. "sggs ang 1365.

kanra m 5 : sggs 1301.

sajna sant ao mere....

prabh kirpa te sant pae, waar waar nanak oh bere..

and the last shabad , in dhan dhan sri guru grabth sahib ji, which gives the true description of people like you.. please read carefully..

gauri cheti sggs ang 332

har jas sune na har gun gawe...

aise logan sio kya kahiye, jo prabh kiye bhagat teh bahaj, tin teh sada darane rahiye.

awran hast , aap hai kane,

tin ko dekh, kabeer lajane...

... so , what or who am i to reply to you, even sri guru granth sahib ji has said to avoid people like you, and bhagat kabeer ji feels embarrassed seeing such people...

so all i like can do is ardaas, that one day , sri guru granth sahib ji can enlighten you, to follow them as the guru, not only anyhow bow your head infront of them...

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh..

In what way do you think the Bhagat Kabeer Ji Salok is speaking about Sant Satnaam Singh ji as eating the makhan and those that present facts about his lifestyle are drinking in the whey? What is seen from the documentary is that Sant Satnaam Singh ji is building his family fortune by selling Gurbani.

Again how does the Shabad on ang 1301 apply here. Who gave the certificate of being a Sant to Sant Satnaam Singh ji? Gurbani that Baba followers should focus on is this.......

schu ErY sBu ko aupir scu Awcwru ]5]

sachahu ourai sabh ko oupar sach aachaar ||5||

Truth is higher than everything; but higher still is truthful living. ||5|| ang 62

I say this due to Sant Satnaam Singh ji using Gurbani to build his family fortune. So yes he at times does sing Gurbani (truth), but then he wraps Gurbani with his own manmat ways of life.

And the last Shabad you presented from ang 332 shows how much anger and hate you have toward me. To use Gurbani as a weapon to dish out anger and hate is no way to behave. Did I misinterpret what was said in the documentary or say something out of context about Sant Satnaam Singh ji? If you believe I did then we can discuss that point either through pm or on the forum.

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Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji Maharaj gave Khande Bhatt de Amrit on 1699 and gave the Hukam to Sikhs to take Amrit from the Punj Pyare and wear all 5 Kakkars. The Neeldhari cult just recently started following this Hukam. In the documentary the Neeldhari say they started wearing a Kirpan after Sant Harnaam Singh ji Kile Wale gave them a Hukam in 2011 or so. If Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is the Guru of Neeldhari cult, then they would have taken Amrit as soon as they acknowledged such a Hukam exist from 1699. But they did not and waited till Sant Harnaam Singh ji in whatever form gave them the Hukam.

Second, if Sant Harnaam Singh ji really followed Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji then he would have told those that follow him to take Amrit and wear the Kakkar of kirpan as the Hukam has already been given in 1699.

Thirdly, the Neeldhari cult say they follow Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and don't bow to anyone else. Again there actions say this is not true. The new Sant of the cult is on video being bowed down too. Also in this documentary there is photo of Sant Harnaam Singh ji, with his shoes and clothing in glass, where his followers are sitting around this moorti. Next they have a photo of Sant Harnaam Singh ji with a very nice rug under the photo and it is next to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. Without any doubt the Neeldharis worship Sant Harnaam Singh ji as their Guru.

It is a shame this cult followers and promoters are using Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa name to collect the sangats money and build their own family fortune. Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji was asked......why do people follow you? Sant ji answered by saying come to my house and see how I live. Sant ji's house was no better than a poverty level living household. Sant ji dedicated his whole life to helping the poor. The two cents he had in his pocket were given to the sangat. But this Neeldhari leader Sant Satnam Singh ji has built his family fortune off of the poor sangat. He eats out of gold, sleeps on gold, wears gold, and sits on gold.

Che Guevara didn't have a Gurmat mindset when it came to war and politics, but I'd rather stand with Che Guevara than these Malik Bago.

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji slept under trees, fought in wars with his soldiers, gave the Punj Pyare the right to order him, throw gold out like it was any other rock in the ground, gave his family to the Khalsa Panth, and did everything to protect the weak and poor.

Sant Baba Thakur SIngh ji Khalsa gave every cent he had to the victims of 1984. If Sant ji had the houses, the money, the property which Sant Satnam Singh ji the Neeldhari cult leader had today, then there would have been justice served to the 1984 victims, people in Punjab would have been better off and Sant ji would be living in the same house and life style. Sant ji did not live poor because he didn't want others to say he is living like a King, but because he always had a hand that never stopped giving.

The Neeldhari cult leader gives to charity because it gives him a better image and who doesn't want to save on taxes. Hence Gurbani says by just giving to charity a person will not become virtuous.

Stop giving your dasvand to such people and Gurdwaras that waste it on their family fortunes. Get up and work the dasvand by spending some time with the poor and needy.

well said

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Please .. Everyone .. Follow GURBANI ...

What does GURBANI say

Fareeda bure da Bhala Kar ...

Bura bhala koh Kisno kahiye , sagle Jee tumhare..

And you guys ..

Sant ki ninda dokh mai dokh..

Santa ko mat koi nindo, sant , ram hai eko..

Please guru pyareyo , sikhi teh GURBANI deh raah teh chalo JI ... GURBANI Jo kehndi hai , oh manno JI ,

Nanak nam chardi kala , tere bhane sarbat da bhala..

Sareya da bhala manao.. Teh wekho , GURBANI aap tuhanoo sidhe raah teh tor deh GI .. Nahi teh

Kabeer man Jane sabh baat, jaanat hi augun kare,

Kahe ki kuslaat , hath deep kue pare..

What's the point of having a torch in hand if you gonna fall in the well anyway .. Don't let this manukha janam go for a waste , you have the ultimate guru , Guru Granth Sahib JI , please , follow it, and try to understand it ...

Thanks for the lesson in trying to put fear in others hearts. Is this what you are taught by Sant Satnaam Singh ji? Bhagat Kabir ji Maharaj, Bhagat Namdev Ji Maharaj, Bhagat Prahlad ji Maharaj, and Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj were all taunted and threats were made to them by other religious leaders and their followers. Scriptures were used to call them false and evil. I am not comparing myself to these great souls, but look at your own hand and read up on history how these great souls were treated. You will see a similarity between your actions and the actions of past generations who called them false and evil.

Also you give the advice of:

Fareeda bure da Bhala Kar

This is great advice as Satguru spoke this as Shabad Guru, But didn't you just in a post above call me a bure by using a shabad on ang 332. You should have thought of this tuk and helped me out as you think I made a huge mistake. My Ant Kaal has not come and you should have said.......I can help in correcting this huge mistake. Maybe it's something to think about for next time when you are full of hate and want to use Gurbani as a weapon against your fellow human being.

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Also I forgot to add when the Neeldhari sect leader got this Hukam from Sant Harnaam Singh ji in recent years, Sant Satnaam Singh ji did ardas before Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and then did ardas before Sant Harnaam Singh ji Kile wale. So what was Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj lacking that ardas had to be done before Sant Harnaam Singh ji Kile wale. And to add more fuel to the fire, it was Sant Harnaam Singh ji Kile wale that answered the ardas of Sant Satnaam Singh ji to take up kirpan, Dastar, and Amrit. Plus they say Sant Harnaam Singh ji never sat on a seat as authority, but look at the ardas being done and the orders being given by him. A man that does not take a position of authority will say follow the Hukam given in 1699, why are you looking at my hand.

You don't need a high powered head lights to see what is actually going on here. All you need is a lighter.

Neeldharis are a minority, their children have now started to marry outside of the Neeldhari circles....One thing about them is that they are very loaded with $$$(especially the ones in Thailand,Malaysia & Singapore) because many of them are bussines owners. They have money but enjoy no recognition,respect or influence in the Panth.Because they are primarily seen as a cult. They claim to believe in Sree Guru Granth Sahib Jee but have many questionable practices.

Their Neeldhari 'Guru'(Satnaam Sinh) who JUST took amrit in 2011 at Maharaja Gardens(Thai headquarters) in Bangkok whereby Takht Jathedaars(corrupt) were flown in to organize and give amrit their Baba and the followers. Surprisingly, their head NOW goes by the title >>>SANT JOGI SATNAAM Singh Jee<<< . Its amazing how he elevated himself to such avastha just right after amrit sanchar. :blink2: :blink2: :blink2:

Now their Baba is very closely alligned to Badals in Punjab......can be seen sharing stages wit Badal regularly. They also seem to have bought over Iqbal Singh of Patna. Because Iqbal Sio sucks up to Satnaam Singh sooooooooooooooooo much that he awarded him a Puratan Sree Sahib from treasury of of Takht Sree Patna Sahib.(info is confirmed)

2 good virtues I have seen in them is reading gurbani and sewa. But having heard the katha done by their baba Satnaam Sinh,...even their interpretation of gurbani is fishy to me...... he seemed to indicate(indirectly) throughout the katha that HE IS THAT SANT MENTIONED IN GURBANI, THAT WE NEED TO DO SANGAT AND SEEK GUIDANCE FROM :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme:

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I'm not trying to sound mean but when watching kirtan by many of their kirtanis, personally I can really feel the dikhava (showing off) jumping out of the screen.

Furthermore I remember watching a smagam on tv a few months back, there was a neeldhari singh doing katha, at the end he and his wife were called for sirope, right there on stage infront of everyone, in guru sahib's hazoori, this neeldhari singh's wife did matha tek to a Nanaksar Sant who who was standing up to give the sirope. I wonder, should people who lack such basic concepts of gurmat, who set such ridiculous examples to to the sangat, be doing parchar? Note: the Nanaksar Sant isn't to blame, he didn't encourage her to do that and he wasn't a party to it. I just find it funny that the neeldhari who considers himself fit to sit on stage teaching the sangat can not even tell his wife the basic concept of not matha teking anyone but Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, at the very least not in Guru Ji's hazoori infront of thousands of sangat!

Edit: just realised that this neeldhari singh who I am talking about is none other than the man they call 'pipli wale sant'! What a joke!

Its unbelievable how so many in the panth are being taken in by their flashy shows.

I believe the people in the below video are neeldharis, I don't even need to comment here, the video speaks for itself. This is far from gursikhi, Gurbani shabad is to take us inside of ourselves.

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Dear pyareyo

Bani is the light , not a weapon ,

Why do you feel it as a weapon ??

Maybe , it's your heart that's hurting after hearing it ... I am sure , that one day , guru arjan dev JI will bless you all also .. Like the tukh

"Sant dokhi ka thao ko nahe,

Nanak SANT bhawe ta oye bhi gat pae.."

Pyareyo bani suno ki kehndi weh..

Nindya bhali kise ki nahi,

Manmukh mugadh karan

Please do not do nindya of anyone ... Khaskar sadha di

Follow Guru Granth Sahib JI ...

Anyway .. Maharaj Ji aap sareya noo sumat bakhsan JI .

The way you speak , sometimes I think , are you a Sikh also or no ..? Does GURBANI teach anger , hatred , ??

U read in Asa di waar every day

" tin ki ninda koi kya kare , Jin jar naam pyara..

But at the end ... It's not your fault ..he only sends saints to the world , and he only sends people to come and do nindya

Bhero m 3 and 1133

Aape dent lae dite sant jana ko

Ape rakha soi..

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Who was guru Gobind singh JI ? He was a guru and and emperor .. He was like a king ..

So what Should his sikh be ... A begger ?? Sorry guys wrong answer

. His true sikh or sant , will also be a shah .. Like guru arjan dev JI already mentioned many years before guru Gobind singh JI even came

Raaj mai raj , jog mai jogi

Tap mai tapesar , grist mai bhogi.

Dyae dyae bhagte sukh PAYA

Nanak tis purkh ka kine ant na PAYA.

Why did they say " tis purkh..

Think ...

Is dehi ko simre dev...

Even the angels want to be a human .. As only after obtaining human , you can even take over the angels ..

Nar teh Upaj, surg ko jiteyo, so awkhad mai payee ..

Please at least be good humans , then one day he will have taras on you and make you like him ...

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ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:


ਨਾਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਕਾਦਰੁ ਕਰੇ ਕਿਉ ਬੋਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਜੋਖੀਵਦੈ ॥

Naao Karathaa Kaadhar Karae Kio Bol Hovai Jokheevadhai ||

One who chants the Name of the Almighty Creator - how can his words be judged?


ਦੇ ਗੁਨਾ ਸਤਿ ਭੈਣ ਭਰਾਵ ਹੈ ਪਾਰੰਗਤਿ ਦਾਨੁ ਪੜੀਵਦੈ ॥

Dhae Gunaa Sath Bhain Bharaav Hai Paarangath Dhaan Parreevadhai ||

His divine virtues are the true sisters and brothers; through them, the gift of supreme status is obtained.


ਨਾਨਕਿ ਰਾਜੁ ਚਲਾਇਆ ਸਚੁ ਕੋਟੁ ਸਤਾਣੀ ਨੀਵ ਦੈ ॥

Naanak Raaj Chalaaeiaa Sach Kott Sathaanee Neev Dhai ||

Nanak established the kingdom; He built the true fortress on the strongest foundations.


ਲਹਣੇ ਧਰਿਓਨੁ ਛਤੁ ਸਿਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਿਫਤੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਵਦੈ ॥

Lehanae Dhharioun Shhath Sir Kar Sifathee Anmrith Peevadhai ||

He installed the royal canopy over Lehna's head; chanting the Lord's Praises, He drank in the Ambrosial Nectar.


ਮਤਿ ਗੁਰ ਆਤਮ ਦੇਵ ਦੀ ਖੜਗਿ ਜੋਰਿ ਪਰਾਕੁਇ ਜੀਅ ਦੈ ॥

Math Gur Aatham Dhaev Dhee Kharrag Jor Paraakue Jeea Dhai ||

The Guru implanted the almighty sword of the Teachings to illuminate his soul.


ਗੁਰਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਰਹਰਾਸਿ ਕੀਈ ਨਾਨਕਿ ਸਲਾਮਤਿ ਥੀਵਦੈ ॥

Gur Chaelae Reharaas Keeee Naanak Salaamath Thheevadhai ||

The Guru bowed down to His disciple, while Nanak was still alive.


ਸਹਿ ਟਿਕਾ ਦਿਤੋਸੁ ਜੀਵਦੈ ॥੧॥

Sehi Ttikaa Dhithos Jeevadhai ||1||

The King, while still alive, applied the ceremonial mark to his forehead. ||1||

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Watch/Listen to this....so amazing.

Dhan Dhan Giani Sant Singh Jee Maskeen Jee.......always spoke the truth and was never scared to stand up for the Panth. A true Kathnee Karnee Gursikh/Sant and a true Panthic Parchaarak with Amritvela/Nitnem/Jeevan/Kamaaee to go along with all of the talk.

Listen carefully for the details (especially who he lists...."Radhaswami....Nirankari....Kiley/Qiley Valey, etc" (Very relavent to this topic)...

Listen to this...and then compare with the above documentary of neeldharis...all the bowing down...over-the-top materialistic items, show off, celebrity, etc. You will see the reality.

Don't bring in the word "Ninda" to this conversation 'Banta Singh'.....just because you don't like the Truth...it doesn't mean that it's ninda. Truth is never ninda.

And also....I watched the documentary....one of the worst things was.........

MAJOR SHAME ON ALL PARTIES INVOLVED WITH GIVING OUT A PURATAN SHASTAR FROM SIKH PANTH GURUDWARA'S KHAJAANAA. WHAT DID THIS GUY DO TO GET IT? AND SHAME ON HIM FOR ACCEPTING IT. NO TRUE SANT WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED IT AND TAKEN IT. AND NO TRUE JATHEDAR WOULD HAVE GIVEN IT. IS THIS WHERE WE ARE AT AS A PANTH? STARTING TO GIVE OUT PURATAN SHASTARS BECAUSE SIROPAS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH ANYMORE FOR THE HIGH-CLASS BABAS?

I could keep going on and on and write for pages about what's wrong with the documentary and neeldharis....but there isn't much to say....Maskeen Jee says everything perfectly.

Dhan Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Sahib Jee

Dhan Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Sahib Jee

Dhan Dhan Guru HarGobind Sahib Jee

Dhan Dhan Guru TeghBahadur Sahib Jee

Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee

Dhan Dhan Baba Ajit Singh Jee

Dhan Dhan Baba Jujhar Singh Jee

Dhan Dhan Baba Zoravar Singh Jee

Dhan Dhan Baba Fateh Singh Jee

Dhan Dhan Baba Deep Singh Jee

Dhan Dhan Bhai Mani Singh Jee

Dhan Dhan Baba Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa Bhindravaley

Dhan Dhan Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Jee

Dhan Dhan countless other True Gursikhs/Sants who actually followed Gurbani and Guru Rehit and made sacrifices for the Panth without even a moments notice.

People can hold many huge Keertan programs and invite people from all over the world and pay for their tickets and honour them and have huge Gurdwaras and complexes and have hi-quality camera companies recording them and making documentaries and recordings and wear fancy clothes and be bowed down to and have thousands of dollars/millions of rupees, etc...

but if you can't stand up for the Panth when it needs someone to stand up for it...then it is all fake...all a show...all pakhand...all karam kaand.

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PART 2

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Anyway , it's your bhaag... Nindak humre kapre dhoe... U keep washing our clothes ..

And keep up the publicity ..

Rab rakha ..

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Anyway , it's your bhaag... Nindak humre kapre dhoe... U keep washing our clothes ..

And keep up the publicity ..

Rab rakha ..

Lolll, the truth isn't ninda. Did you even listen to Maskeen Jee's amazing Katha posted above?

At least have some shame or humility....

Publicity will be the neeldharis downfall if they don't change their ways. Truth always comes out and prevails.

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remember one thing...even when the gurus were here on earth in human form, there were people like you, who did not let guru gobind singh ji enter the harmandar sahib also...so my dear, i am not angry with you, this is gods play, and he has given you this role, you play yours....and ill play mine.

the truth always prevails...

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remember one thing...even when the gurus were here on earth in human form, there were people like you, who did not let guru gobind singh ji enter the harmandar sahib also...so my dear, i am not angry with you, this is gods play, and he has given you this role, you play yours....and ill play mine.

the truth always prevails...

Paaji when someone or a group is going against Sikhism or doing something wrong the true Sikh has to tell and stop them.

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U few minority people remind me Of the spoilt child in the house who sits aside and cries , telling himself that the whole family is wrong and not fair,... Don't u realize how pathetic that behavior is ..?

Take your time ... Think it over ... And don't forget , your father will eventually forgive your ignorance ..

Jaesa balak Bhai subae , lakh aprad kamawe,....

Pichle augun baksh lae, prabh age marag pawe..

...

Guru fateh

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