Edl Holding Demo At Downing Street This Bank Holiday; Is Bhullar Sahibs Vigil Still There?

[Singh559]

Sikhs should neither endorse EDL or protest again them. Sikhs should be silent witness of whats happening in UK. Edl may have started as reaction of Islam fascism but they seem to have ulterior motives for white english country /same ideology of nazi KKK. They may be are much needed at this point to stop fight islamic fascism..iron can cut another iron. Sikhs should be neutral...I am thinking in overtime sikhs themselves need a group to preach both edl and islamic fascist group its own "sikhs own make peace not war league" to win public opinion or exceed more credibility among masses..this is where gurbani tuk comes in, apply to all situations-

Hindu anna turku kana dhohan tey giani siyana. ||

Completely agreed.

The thing I see is if people don't endorse EDL they usually are in denial though. People need to EDUCATE themselves and KNOW what's going on in the WORLD.

[N30S1NGH]

The thing I see is if people don't endorse EDL they usually are in denial though. People need to EDUCATE themselves and KNOW what's going on in the WORLD.

Agree..its just in the political correct and current environment we need to careful to endorse edl as a group...we should not endorse an group because group has members and has association, group has connatations be it good or bad based on the actions of individuals in the group

For eg- I may agree some of the views - tommy robinson has but to say i agree with edl group (all the members action) in its totality based on agreement with some of views of tommy robinson is too far fetched and it be blowing out of proportion. Unfortunately outside world or media world is pretty black and white- they won't inquire if sikh in edl rally agree with all of the views of edl or some..they put it simple words- sikhs support edl..!!

Another example i saw edl using banner with sikh traditional turbans and dress distinction with muslims on their facebook..they had sikhs wearing traditional dress ok but they made it appear on the same banner- muslim wearing traditional dress as fascist..that is a dangerous precedence if its set through that banner in the members of eld or other kkk groups..not all Muslims which are traditional dressed are fascist..they are trying to milk situation for its worth at the moment by winning hearts of sikhs...their intentions might be pure or malice that i don't know. I would wait until other famous political leaders endorsing their group before thinking openly endorsing their group. We should also have our league- like sikh british league and should take slightly neutral or liberal yet calculated conservative- stance than total right wing or left wing, should work with edl with some of their sikh ideology compatible rallies.

[Borat]

That seems to go against the whole ethos of being a Sikh. The essence of a Sikh is that he stands up against oppressors. When disgusting racist facists march in the street making open threats and directing abuse towards muslim women and children the Sikh stands up tall and strong against those facists. I have no connection at all with 'Sikhs against the EDL' but I salute them for their courage and ethics.

@ LegalSingh If you knew anything about Islamic history then you'd reconsider who the real 'facists' are. Muslims have continually persecuted Sikhs and continue to do so. The EDL are the ones taking the abuse, their leader has been hospitalised by Muslims and there have been at least two serious terror plots against the EDL.

Those 'muslim women and children' have no problem becoming suicide bombers. Without a shadow of a doubt the biggest threat between the EDL and the Muslims are the Mohammedans.

[TheFancyBanana]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151390461426621

I don't know, the UAF went behind the Sikhs and put us inbetween the EDL and themselves, so the Singhs might have got smashed up.

Tommy Robinson (is that his name?) then said this

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=611171938894027

Probably saying it to show he isn't racist.

BUT, in the Newcastle protest on Saturday they showed they were racist.

http://twitpic.com/ctnrw5

Take care Singho, you can't trust any of these lot.

[LegalSingh]

@ LegalSingh If you knew anything about Islamic history then you'd reconsider who the real 'facists' are. Muslims have continually persecuted Sikhs and continue to do so. The EDL are the ones taking the abuse, their leader has been hospitalised by Muslims and there have been at least two serious terror plots against the EDL.

Those 'muslim women and children' have no problem becoming suicide bombers. Without a shadow of a doubt the biggest threat between the EDL and the Muslims are the Mohammedans.

'Muslims' haven't continously persecuted us Sikhs......The Mughals did. Even when the 0.1% of the Muslims who were part of the Mughal govt persecuted us there are plenty of examples throughout our history of when ordinary Muslims not only saved our lives but also laid down their lives in defence of our Gurus. By the same token, if 0.1% of Muslim women and children have become suicide bombers it is totally irrational to taint the other 99.9% with the same brush. Our Gurus taught us that time and again.

Frankly, the Sikh that sides with hate-filled facists is no Sikh at all. Rather, he needs his head examined.

@ LegalSingh If you knew anything about Islamic history

I politely suggest you spend less time occupying your mind with irrational fears about Islamic history and spend more time reading up on your own history and the lessons our Gurus have taught us. For example, what the 5th master Guru Arjan Dev ji taught us. He came down to doaba to get married in a muslim village called 'Mao'. The Muslims of the village showed him so much kindness he was overwhelmed. He called the Muslims of the area 'his beloved muslims' and to this day the big historic Gurdwara there is joined at the hip with a Muslim Mosque. As per Guru ji's wishes both the Gurdwara and the Mosque share a wall to show the love between the 2 communities.

You are a fool my friend if you think the ordinary rank and file EDL supporter knows the difference between old Mrs Kaur and old Mrs Khan. In that respect, you should look at the disgusting abuse Mrs Khan has to face as abuse directed at your own mother. Indeed, if the EDL supporter gets his wish and deports Mrs Khan it is your own mother who is next on his hit-list.

[proactive]

I wouldn't put it past the authorities to put agents into the EDL marches to have them shout racist slogans to blacken the name of the EDL. Tommy Robinson from what I have seen and heard of him through his speeches seems to a level headed guy who is worried about the way his country is being turned into an Islamic hellhole. The liberal establishment including the media are scared of all the support the EDL are getting after the Muslims murdered the British soldier. They are hoping that they can make the EDL appear to be a racist organisation and then all the ethnic minorities as well as the vast majority of the white population will steer clear of the EDL. The government probably hope that of they throw money at the Muslims then they will stop the extremists amongst them but we all know that the Muslims just see this as weakness and will up their attacks.

[proactive]

'Muslims' haven't continously persecuted us Sikhs......The Mughals did. Even when the 0.1% of the Muslims who were part of the Mughal govt persecuted us there are plenty of examples throughout our history of when ordinary Muslims not only saved our lives but also laid down their lives in defence of our Gurus. By the same token, if 0.1% of Muslim women and children have become suicide bombers it is totally irrational to taint the other 99.9% with the same brush. Our Gurus taught us that time and again.

Frankly, the Sikh that sides with hate-filled facists is no Sikh at all. Rather, he needs his head examined.

I politely suggest you spend less time occupying your mind with irrational fears about Islamic history and spend more time reading up on your own history and the lessons our Gurus have taught us. For example, what the 5th master Guru Arjan Dev ji taught us. He came down to doaba to get married in a muslim village called 'Mao'. The Muslims of the village showed him so much kindness he was overwhelmed. He called the Muslims of the area 'his beloved muslims' and to this day the big historic Gurdwara there is joined at the hip with a Muslim Mosque. As per Guru ji's wishes both the Gurdwara and the Mosque share a wall to show the love between the 2 communities.

You are a fool my friend if you think the ordinary rank and file EDL supporter knows the difference between old Mrs Kaur and old Mrs Khan. In that respect, you should look at the disgusting abuse Mrs Khan has to face as abuse directed at your own mother. Indeed, if the EDL supporter gets his wish and deports Mrs Khan it is your own mother who is next on his hit-list.

The 0.1% might have started the persecution but the over 99.9% actively took part in the genocide after Banda Singh Bahadur up to the 1780s. It was Muslim bands that used to go into the lakhi jungle to hunt down Sikhs in order to claim the rewards from the Muslim government, It was the Muslim masses that again murdered lakhs of Sikhs in 1947.

It's interesting how some Sikhs are able to switch off their brains when it comes to Islam. Sikhi is the very antithesis of Islam. A question was asked on another thread of what would happen to Sikhs if Islam became dominant in a country when Sikhs reside. Islam demands that Sikhs as non-Muslims become dhimmis and as such live a second class existence. Part of the dhimmi contract is that the dhimmis have to not wear swords or keep weapons. How will that work for the Kirpan?

Below is the dhimmi contract

1. Dhimmis live in a second class condition within the society they inhabit.

2. Dhimmis are not allowed to vote or hold public office.

3. Dhimmis must pay a steep tax, called the Jihza, and do so under humiliating conditions: they must pay the tax in person where they are either spit on or slapped. The tax is a heavy financial burden, but if you can't pay it, you're dead. Some dhimmis who couldn't pay were forced to turn over their children as payment. The children were then raised as Muslims.

4. Dhimmis must dress differently than Muslims, e.g. with broad cloth belts, shoes of different color on opposite feet, or no shoes at all, and must shear their forelocks (the front part of their hair) so their dhimmi status is obvious.

5. Dhimmis must give way to Muslims on the sidewalk or street.

6. Dhimmis must give up their seat in any public place if a Muslim wishes to sit.

7. Dhimmis cannot build a house that is higher than Muslim houses in his neighborhood.

8. Dhimmis can only work in menial jobs like street sweeping or manual labor.

9. Dhimmis cannot renovate their churches or synagogues, so when they fall into disrepair they continue to deteriorate.

10. Dhimmis cannot display any symbol of their religion in public, like a cross, nor ring church bells or sing too loudly in their churches or synagogues lest they offend Muslims.

11. Dhimmis must house and feed any Muslim who passes their door for three days.

12. Dhimmis cannot criticize Islam, the Qur'an or Muhammad, under penalty of death or imprisonment.

13. Dhimmis cannot prevent any of their family members from converting to Islam.

14. Dhimmis cannot attempt to convert any Muslim to their religion.

15. Dhimmi men cannot marry Muslim women, but Muslim men can marry Dhimmi women.

16. Dhimmis cannot be witnesses in court against Muslims.

17. Dhimmis cannot own or carry any weapons.

18. Dhimmis cannot fight with or injure any Muslim, even in self defense, under penalty of death.

19. Dhimmis are subject to execution for apostasy against the Prophet of the Qur'an. (This provision was often abused. When a Muslim wanted a dhimmi's land or house, he simply had to state the dhimmi had insulted the Prophet. Since a Muslim's word was always accepted over that of a dhimmi, the dhimmi's unjust execution or imprisonment was assured.)

20. In many cases, dhimmi children are not allowed to attend state schools or universities.

Will Sikhs be able to live in any dignity with the above conditions in force? Maybe we should all just shut our eyes to the Islamification of our countries and hope that when the Muslims are in charge, LegalSingh could find some loophole in the contract that would allow non-Muslims to live in dignity!

[genie]

as predictable It semi kicked off at downing street with some drunk morons from EDL and UAF trying to attack each other and the few Sikhs at bhullars vigil getting caught in the middle of it all.

[LegalSingh]

The 0.1% might have started the persecution but the over 99.9% actively took part in the genocide after Banda Singh Bahadur up to the 1780s. It was Muslim bands that used to go into the lakhi jungle to hunt down Sikhs in order to claim the rewards from the Muslim government, It was the Muslim masses that again murdered lakhs of Sikhs in 1947.

Brother, Hindus claimed their rewards from the mughals as much as the Muslims. Do you hate them with the same venom too ?

Brother, exactly 2 and a half times as many Muslims were murdered in Punjab 1947 as Sikhs. To put it simply, we'd have to go through another exact copy of the 1947 massacres and then half another one just to reach the same level of dead as the Punjabi Muslims. Were they not human too ?

Don't you see brother, there are no winners when it comes to irrational hate. If you can find a reason for hate then you have to realise that the ones you hate can just as easily find even more reasons to hate you. Hate is a losers game.

[genie]

Credit to the EDL leaders and lads who apologised to the Sikhs for the bottle throwings mishap between UAF and EDL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dw1fFfBAAM