Jump to content

Going To Places Like Yates

Guest just_checking

Recommended Posts

Guest just_checking

i think i know the answer is no, but need to hear it from other gursikhs...

am i right in saying amritdhari should avoid places like Yates at all costs? ive got work issue, dotn want to go and if i hear its a defo no-no then will feel stronger to hold my ground and say not to work colleagues albeit they may nack chat about me :blush2:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

All depends on you.

I'm not amritdhari but don't drink or eat meat. I've no qualms about walking into a pub - I'm not gonna start drinking. However, it depends on what you're going to do and how you consider things.

If you're going for a social drink, you can drink non-alcoholic drinks but any glasses used will have probably contained alcohol and may not have been washed properly. In which case, something like a J2O or 330ml bottle of coke may be adequate. They come in sealed bottles and you can drink straight from the bottle.

If you're going for food, the crockery and cutlery may have been used on meat products and may contain residue, even if thoroughly washed. Alternatively, you may not be bothered by such things.

Is there any way it can be changed to an alternative venue that you may be more comfortable in?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree, most of us don't have a problem with such places especially with the no-smoking laws.

Places like Yates and other wine bars are a fairly clean environment with more emphasis on comfort rather than consumption of liquor.

I agree, that a bottled soft drink would be the choice from a simple Britvic orange or tomato juice to regular cola.

If you have to go, then just make sure one or two colleagues are aware that you have a strict personal 'no alcohol' policy.

And don't feel pressured or the odd one out.

I usually find that others will appreciate you being there if you make an effort to purchase a round of drinks at least, - this is what colleagues will appreciate more, even if you decide to stay for only 10-15 minutes.

I usually find that sometimes the folk will want to stay longer and then they end up drinking heavily later.- and you don't want to really be there at this stage !!

If you don't go and are the odd one out, then you get excluded from the whole social office network. But if you just go and make a 5 minute appearance and then don't even buy anyone a drink then no one will appreciate it and you WILL be the Black sheep !!

However, if you pop in and say ''look i will have to go soon but i would like to get a round of drinks for everyone''- then everyone will appreciate your 5-10 minutes and be glad that you made the effort.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As an amritdhari, or kesdhari even, we stand as ambassadors for our nation. I personally would not enter pubs or such places because of that. I dont drink so what reason do i have going into a pub? I dont smoke so what reason would i have going into a cegar shop? I dont use prostitutes, what reason would i have going into a brothel or strip club?

All three of those can be places to socialise but as an ambassador of my nation, I just wouldnt go to any of those places. Sarbans dani pita has given us his roop. When we take up that roop, theres a part of us we have to leave behind. We must remember the responsibility which comes with the image.

People see a Singh going into a pub and they assume Singhs drink. He may be having an apple juice and people will assume his having whisky. He may be having water and people will say its vodka.

People talk about people behind their backs anyways. Nothing you can do about that.

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I understand the complete 'must not enter' stance quite well.

However, in the day and age we live in, it all depends on the profession or work role a person has.

Let's say a doctor is next door or on the same street as a pub and a known hooker collapses from a drug OD in the pub !!

As a Sikh is the doctor going to refuse to attend the woman in the pub, or be prepared to give her mouth to mouth ??-Because as a Sikh he strongly refuses to enter a place where liquor is served and also refuses to have any association or dealing with a known prostitute ??

It's situations like these where we have to think of the practicality, livelihood and nowadays situations.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Any places which serve alcohol and meat are a complete no go for Gursikhs!

Also we should only socialise with Gursikhs- have a good working relationship but nothing more than that. Tell me, what time does a gursikh have for socialising? We do our kamayee so we can live and because it is hukam from Guru Sahib, other than that spend your time with Gursikhs and do your own kamayee. Just smile and say that you don't really like environments where there is alcohol and meat.

Guru Sahib says:

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ਨਾਲੇ ॥

Gur Maerai Sang Sadhaa Hai Naalae ||

My Guru is always with me, near at hand.

ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਦਾ ਸਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਲੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Simar Simar This Sadhaa Samhaalae ||1|| Rehaao ||

Meditating, meditating in remembrance on Him, I cherish Him forever. ||1||Pause||

So spend your time with Guru Sahib instead!

ਵਿਚਿ ਸਚੇ ਕੂੜੁ ਨ ਗਡਈ ਮਨਿ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਕੋ ਨਿਰਜਾਸਿ ॥

Vich Sachae Koorr N Gaddee Man Vaekhahu Ko Nirajaas ||

Falsehood does not mix with the Truth; O people, check it out and see.

ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ਕੂੜਿਆਰੀ ਜਾਇ ਰਲੇ ਸਚਿਆਰ ਸਿਖ ਬੈਠੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪਾਸਿ ॥੨੬॥

Koorriaar Koorriaaree Jaae Ralae Sachiaar Sikh Baithae Sathigur Paas ||26||

The false go and mingle with the false, while the truthful Sikhs sit by the side of the True Guru. ||26||

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I saw the video on TikTok I think. It was at Wembley Stadium and I was unable to bookmark/favourite it because Tiktok decided to refresh. It was the "mainstream" Chaupai Sahib you will hear at a Singh Sabha gurdwaras, usually so-called Ramgarhia gurdwaras and also for the past 100 year or so in Harimandir Sahib under the current committee system.  In other words, the sikhs who give up or quit at ਖੜਗ ਕੇਤ ਮੈਂ ਸ਼ਰਨਿ ਤਿਹਾਰੀ ॥ ਆਪ ਹਾਥ ਦੈ ਲੇਹੁ ਉਬਾਰੀ ॥ Lord of the Almighty Sword, provides a shield for my protection. With Your Hands you have saved me.   ਸਰਬ ਠੌਰ ਮੋ ਹੋਹੁ ਸਹਾਈ ॥ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਦੋਖ ਤੇ ਲੇਹੁ ਬਚਾਈ ॥੪੦੧॥ You bestow help on me at all places and rescue me from pain and the designs of my demons.401. Kharag kait mai sarann tihaaree. Aap haath dai leho ubaaree. Sarab thor mo hoho sahaaee. Dustt dokh té leho bachaaee. (25) O The Lord of Sword, I seek Your protection. With Your Hands you have guarded me. At All Times be my Support. Save me from wickedness and pain. (25).
    • Bro, can you post from what line to what line they did paath of?
    • A decade later and I can show you all what the problem is. Both Khalsa Primary School and students from Pioneer Secondary Academy were invited for Vaisakhi celebrations, and they done a Chaupai Sahib paat. The problem is, they performed the politics ridden anti-dasam Bhasauria mutilated cut version of Benti Chaupai which is disrespectful to traditional puraatan samrpadaiye and mahapurakh. If bani politics is going to be used on children to skip lines from Dasam Pita ji dhan dhan Guru Gobind Singh ji's Benti Chaupai Sahib, that certain groups think it is ok to do, then @serious guptwas right to raise concerns a decade ago! IN 2024, when sangat is much more knowledgable about dasam bani and katha, when we have so many resources - then if we are not allowing our children to learn bani shud and let them choose their groups to follow later, then this raises RED FLAGS IN 2024!!!! AKAAAAL!
    • https://www.youtube.com/@TheWonderous1Channel I found this new channel on YouTube. Apparently they will be uploading a new video every week! Seems good, please subscribe and share with others. Thanks
    • https://www.youtube.com/@TheWonderous1Channel I found this new channel on YouTube. Apparently they will be uploading a new video every week! Seems good, please subscribe and share with others. Thanks
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use