Deh Siva Bar Mohe - Shabad Question

[Singh559]

Why do all kirtanis and jathas pronounce "Deh Siva" as "Deh Shiva"?

Can someone further explain the meaning of Siva? Is it a synonym for Shiva, if so isn't it still incorrect to pronounce it as shiva rather than siva?

[jasdeepsingh2k125]

in sri dasam granth it is written shiva...

[wahegurudapyara]

shiva means shakti, not any devta.

[Singh559]

I understand the meaning, but isn't it spelled "siva", not shiva?

I remember a Singh on SikhSangat mentioning it then I listened to the shabad up there and it also had it written without the bindi under sassa.

[Singh559]

ਦੇਹ ਸਿਵਾ ਬਰੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਇਹੈ ਸੁਭ ਕਰਮਨ ਤੇ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨ ਟਰੋਂ ॥
ਨ ਡਰੋਂ ਅਰਿ ਸੋ ਜਬ ਜਾਇ ਲਰੋਂ ਨਿਸਚੈ ਕਰਿ ਅਪੁਨੀ ਜੀਤ ਕਰੋਂ ॥
ਅਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਹੋਂ ਆਪਨੇ ਹੀ ਮਨ ਕੌ ਇਹ ਲਾਲਚ ਹਉ ਗੁਨ ਤਉ ਉਚਰੋਂ ॥
ਜਬ ਆਵ ਕੀ ਅਉਧ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਬਨੈ ਅਤਿ ਹੀ ਰਨ ਮੈ ਤਬ ਜੂਝ ਮਰੋਂ ॥੨੩੧॥ [1]

Translation: O Lord grant me the boon, that I may never deviate from doing a good deed.

That I shall not fear when I go into combat. And with determination I will be victorious.
That I may teach myself this greed alone, to learn only Thy praises.
And when the last days of my life come, I may die in the might of the battlefield.||231||
-- Guru Gobind Singh

[uks1ngh]

To the original poster:

Yes, you are right. It should be pronounced SIVA not SHIVA. :biggrin2:

[GPS]

Singh559 ji

It is siva. Siva's literal meaning is Durga but here it is used as metaphor for Akal purakh.

Guru sahib writes in beginning of Chandi charitra highlighting his belief in akal purakh by

writing

ਆਦਿ ਅਪਾਰ ਅਲੇਖ ਅਨੰਤ ਅਕਾਲ ਅਭੇਖ ਅਲਖ ਅਨਾਸਾ ॥
आदि अपार अलेख अनंत अकाल अभेख अलख अनासा ॥
The Lord is Primal, Infinite, Account less, Boundless, Deathless, Garbless, Incomprehensible and Eternal.

ਕੈ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤ ਦਏ ਸ੍ਰੁਤਿ ਚਾਰ ਰਜੋ ਤਮ ਸਤ ਤਿਹੂੰ ਪੁਰ ਬਾਸਾ ॥
कै सिव सकत दए स्रुति चार रजो तम सत तिहूं पुर बासा ॥
He created Shiva-Shakti, forur Vedas and three modes of maya and Pervades in three worlds.

ਦਿਉਸ ਨਿਸਾ ਸਸਿ ਸੂਰ ਕੈ ਦੀਪਕ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਰਚੀ ਪੰਚ ਤਤ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸਾ ॥
दिउस निसा ससि सूर कै दीपक स्रिसटि रची पंच तत प्रकासा ॥
He created day and night, the lamps of sun and moon and the whole world with five elements.

ਬੈਰ ਬਢਾਇ ਲਰਾਇ ਸੁਰਾਸੁਰ ਆਪਹਿ ਦੇਖਤ ਬੈਠ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥੧॥
बैर बढाइ लराइ सुरासुर आपहि देखत बैठ तमासा ॥१॥
He extended enmity and fight between the gods and demons and Himself seated (on His Throne) scans it.1.

Chandi charitra Ukti bilas, Dasam Granth sahib

Just as we get in SGGS ji as

Gurmukh sang krishan murare

SGGS

There krishan is used as metaphor for akal purakh.In the same way siva is metaphor for akal purakh

[Singh559]

Thanks Singh ji, enlightening!

[GPS]

Khalsa ji

This shabad is very dear to sikhs.It is at end of chandi charitra ukti bilas. This shabad is mainly quoted by kala afghansits and now missionaries to say that this says that Guru sahib was devotee of Siva. They have misled many sikhs by quoting this out of context

None of them have read Dasam Granth leave aside understanding it. They have built in hate for this bani as they are basically against concept of khalsa.

When you read this composition , Guru sahib writes

ਤਾਰਨ ਲੋਕ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਭੂਮਹਿ ਦੈਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਚੰਡਿ ਤੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥
तारन लोक उधारन भूमहि दैत संघारन चंडि तुही है ॥
Thou art the same Chandika, who ferries across the people; Thou art the redeemer of the earth and destroyer of the demons.

ਕਾਰਨ ਈਸ ਕਲਾ ਕਮਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਅਦ੍ਰਸੁਤਾ ਜਹ ਦੇਖੇ ਉਹੀ ਹੈ ॥
कारन ईस कला कमला हरि अद्रसुता जह देखे उही है ॥
Thou art the cause of the Shakti of Shiva, Lakshmi of Vishnu and Parvati, the daughter of Himavan, wherever we see, Thou art there.

Chandi Charitra

The above is addressed to akal purakh and says that you are everything and has created such entities Pay attention to ਅਦ੍ਰਸੁਤਾ ਜਹ ਦੇਖੇ ਉਹੀ ਹੈ. This means that it is you who has created parvati aka durga.

This bani is very deep and requires one to read each and every line with meanings to understand. I countered the heretics on their facebook dasam granth ik saazish.They had no reply to this. They are just repeating hearsays.

[Jonny101]

Khalsa ji

This shabad is very dear to sikhs.It is at end of chandi charitra ukti bilas. This shabad is mainly quoted by kala afghansits and now missionaries to say that this says that Guru sahib was devotee of Siva. They have misled many sikhs by quoting this out of context

None of them have read Dasam Granth leave aside understanding it. They have built in hate for this bani as they are basically against concept of khalsa.

When you read this composition , Guru sahib writes

ਤਾਰਨ ਲੋਕ ਉਧਾਰਨ ਭੂਮਹਿ ਦੈਤ ਸੰਘਾਰਨ ਚੰਡਿ ਤੁਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

तारन लोक उधारन भूमहि दैत संघारन चंडि तुही है ॥

Thou art the same Chandika, who ferries across the people; Thou art the redeemer of the earth and destroyer of the demons.

ਕਾਰਨ ਈਸ ਕਲਾ ਕਮਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਅਦ੍ਰਸੁਤਾ ਜਹ ਦੇਖੇ ਉਹੀ ਹੈ ॥

कारन ईस कला कमला हरि अद्रसुता जह देखे उही है ॥

Thou art the cause of the Shakti of Shiva, Lakshmi of Vishnu and Parvati, the daughter of Himavan, wherever we see, Thou art there.

Chandi Charitra

The above is addressed to akal purakh and says that you are everything and has created such entities Pay attention to ਅਦ੍ਰਸੁਤਾ ਜਹ ਦੇਖੇ ਉਹੀ ਹੈ. This means that it is you who has created parvati aka durga.

This bani is very deep and requires one to read each and every line with meanings to understand. I countered the heretics on their facebook dasam granth ik saazish.They had no reply to this. They are just repeating hearsays.

Thanks for this bhaaji. When a knowledgeable person like you confronts these heretics they have no answer to their ignorance filled propaganda. The funniest part is when we have anparh men like Jeowala make statements which have no credible proof, when they are confronted and proven to be false instead of admitting they are wrong they keep quiet but find the next person to influence their heretic propaganda. The whole Kala Afghanist movement is led by anparh men who are Dasvi Paas at best. God knows who made them professors.