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Mehtab Singh
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Keep in mind the political demographics at this point of time. Iran has a new president who somehow seems to be mellow (so far) in terms of anti US rhetoric. Pakistan has a new government, the same Nawaz Sharif who the US is so used to. India will have a new government next year which will again be a sidekick sort of buddy for the US. Anyone in the US position would think "mai hunn ithe reh ke kehre amb laine? chalo chaliye!" If they move their troops out of Afghanistan silently, that will seem as Taliban's victory, so I'd say all this peace talk drama is only to save the face and have the world think that the US didn't lose. Sorry, but going against their long held notion "The US never negotiates with terrorists" is in itself defeat. You guys are right, sooner or later Taliban was going to come to power anyways because they weren't going to stop due to the monsters that they are. Afghanistan could very well return to its 1996 (or should I say 1496) atmosphere when these demons rose to power. The US now sees its interests comparatively safe in the Middle East. Iraq is "Saddam-less", Libya is "Gaddafi-less", Syria is "peace-less", Iran, Pakistan and India have/will have new governments who WILL have to have a softer stance towards the US because Al Qaeda is also "Osama-less". So what is the best thing to do, well, lets just go home finally! And thats what all this is.

Also, the very next day after this news was out, Karzai had an outburst against the US for a reason only he can translate. He knows very well that once the US is out of Afghanistan, the Taliban are going to come after him. It is in his best interest to NOT side with the US, atleast when dealing with Taliban. I'd say he is the one miserably stuck in all this. American masters are going home, Taliban foes are going to take over, American foes and Taliban foes will shake hands, this is Karzai's worst nightmare coming true.

The drama has only begun to unfold, so sit back and watch as the US changes the political maps of all these countries. No harm though, because if they are left alone, they're not going to leave you alone.

Good analysis bhaaji. The middle east is in political turmoil. Iran's population wants to over throw their mullah controlled government while Afghanistan is now on the verge being taken over by mullahs. Pakistan has elected a government which in my opinion will be no better than Zardari's government and India it seems might very well elect Modi in the next elections. Sit back and see how this Naatak will unfold.

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These people are taking the whole world for a ride, its actually funny...

Yesterday - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22973111

Afghan President Karzai to boycott talks with Taliban. His statement came a day after the US agreed to talk to the Taliban in Qatar, where the militants have a new office. His statement came a day after the US agreed to talk to the Taliban in Qatar, where the militants have a new office. Mr Karzai said the opening of the office contradicted earlier US security guarantees to his government. In protest, he also said he would suspend talks on the US presence in Afghanistan after Nato leaves in 2014.

Today - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/06/201361922859737899.html

Karzai 'willing to join' Taliban peace talks. Afghan president may join talks after US Secretary of State called Karzai to address his concerns, spokesman says. The Afghan government has signaled it might join talks with the Taliban a day after President Hamid Karzai said he would boycott any peace talks unless they were led by his government, a government spokesman told AP news agency.

Earlier today - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/06/20/afghanistan-taliban-talks/2440595/

The Afghan Taliban is ready to free a U.S. soldier held captive since 2009 in exchange for five of their senior operatives imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay as a conciliatory gesture, a senior spokesman for the group said Thursday. The offer follows this week's official opening of a Taliban political office in Doha, the capital of the Gulf state of Qatar.

I am sorry if this sounds insensitive ot stupid, but my only response/reaction to all this drama is...hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

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The US now sees its interests comparatively safe in the Middle East. Iraq is "Saddam-less", Libya is "Gaddafi-less", Syria is "peace-less", Iran, Pakistan and India have/will have new governments who WILL have to have a softer stance towards the US because Al Qaeda is also "Osama-less". So what is the best thing to do, well, lets just go home finally! And thats what all this is.

U.S interest safe in Middle-East?

You forgot that Egypt, the largest Arab country, is now "Mubarak-less" and under Muslim Brotherhood. Iraq is Saddam-less BUT under Iranian influence now...thanks to U.S for tilting the balance of power in favor of Iran...

Al Qaeda with/without Osama is equally harmful...Osama was just symbolic..Al Qaeda is a very well organized insurgent organization....they don't go down just b/c one guy is killed...

I don't know why wasted its time by fighting brutal wars and bringing death and destruction in Islamic World..I mean, America's real competition is China...

Someone said few days ago..that West/U.S have this idea of 'Clash of Civilizations' ...and they see two Civilizations as next competitors of West..i.e China and Islamic World...U.S decided to neutralize Islamic World at the cost of letting China rise.....ummm not sure...

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PakistaniPunjabi veeray, I am deeply sorry in advance if this offends you, but Muslims must sincerely pray to avoid the day when the Chinese decide to take on the Muslims. That is one conflict that has never happened, and is one which the Muslims (worldwide) will terribly regret. Trust me, Indians/Hindus/Sikhs, or the Jews/Israelis, or even the Americans/Westerners will seem a lot more benevolent to you guys once you face the Chinese head on. Ohna ne tuhanu kitay nai chhaddna te bilkul nai bakshna.

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PakistaniPunjabi veeray, I am deeply sorry in advance if this offends you, but Muslims must sincerely pray to avoid the day when the Chinese decide to take on the Muslims. That is one conflict that has never happened, and is one which the Muslims (worldwide) will terribly regret. Trust me, Indians/Hindus/Sikhs, or the Jews/Israelis, or even the Americans/Westerners will seem a lot more benevolent to you guys once you face the Chinese head on. Ohna ne tuhanu kitay nai chhaddna te bilkul nai bakshna.

Actually the Chinese did kill Muslims. This happened in the 19th century in a Muslim uprising called the Dungan revolt. It is said that so many Muslims were killed that only 10% of the Muslim population of western china survived. The death toll was in the millions. The chinese like their Mongol cousins up north are a very ruthless people.

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PakistaniPunjabi veeray, I am deeply sorry in advance if this offends you, but Muslims must sincerely pray to avoid the day when the Chinese decide to take on the Muslims. That is one conflict that has never happened, and is one which the Muslims (worldwide) will terribly regret. Trust me, Indians/Hindus/Sikhs, or the Jews/Israelis, or even the Americans/Westerners will seem a lot more benevolent to you guys once you face the Chinese head on. Ohna ne tuhanu kitay nai chhaddna te bilkul nai bakshna.

hahaha...Muslims know that.

I think you don't know..but Islamic Civilization did face Chinese Civilization once....Central Asia/Turks used to be under Chinese influence..forces of Abbasid Empire and Turks/Chinese forces collided to have control over parts of central Asia...Turks betrayed the mainland China and Abbasid Empire won the battle..later on, entire Central Asia fell to Islam ...but even though Islamic Empire was the super power of that era, Muslims never launched any major attack on mainland China...They knew how vast, powerful, and viscious Chinese were (are still are)...

Here is the battle I'm talking about..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Talas

Islam and China always had mutual respect for each other..Our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also talks about China in respectable terms and call Muslims to go to China to get knowledge...One of the earliest mosques in the world is in China which was established by the companion of Prophet Muhammad...

There is a sizeable Muslim community in China.....

But yeah, I hope there is no strategic conflict between Islam and China....Most of our interests are mutual though....

Also, West/Israel/U.K didn't go benovalent on Muslims..it was the opposite..Muslims went benovalent on West/Christians/Israelis/Jews etc ... Ottoman Empire sent their navy to protect Jews being expelled from the Spains...Jews always had it better under Muslims while Christians persecuted them as no other....but we all know how Jews returned this favor... :cool2:

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Islam and China always had mutual respect for each other..Our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also talks about China in respectable terms and call Muslims to go to China to get knowledge...One of the earliest mosques in the world is in China which was established by the companion of Prophet Muhammad...

There is a sizeable Muslim community in China.....

But yeah, I hope there is no strategic conflict between Islam and China....Most of our interests are mutual though....

Also, West/Israel/U.K didn't go benovalent on Muslims..it was the opposite..Muslims went benovalent on West/Christians/Israelis/Jews etc ... Ottoman Empire sent their navy to protect Jews being expelled from the Spains...Jews always had it better under Muslims while Christians persecuted them as no other....but we all know how Jews returned this favor... :cool2:

I dont think it is as much of a mutual respect as it is lack of contact. Where as the Islamic civilization has been able to penetrate India, Africa and to large extent even Europe, but that is not the case with China. Battle of Talas both Islamic and Chinese civilization were at war. Centuries later, if Timur Lane had survived a little longer, he was making preparations to invade China and do there as he did during his other conquests i.e. loot, rape, kill. But it was China's good fortune he died before bringing destruction upon them. During the 19th century, the Chinese controlled the land of the Uighurs (now western China). The Muslims rose up in rebellion, but the Chinese mercilessly killed millions of Muslims. Such destruction of Muslims has not occurred since the Mongol invasions. I don't think the Chinese have respect for the Muslims otherwise they would not have committed such a genocide against the Muslims. Even today, the Chinese oppress the Muslims of western China much more than even Palistinians are by the Israelis. This is not a sign of Chinese having respect for Muslims.

In reality I think today Muslims are showing respect for China because China is a rising star. They see China as a counter balance to American/European power and influence. Even Africans for this very same reason are getting very close to the Chinese and the Chinese are more than happy to extend their influence across the world where nations are unhappy with the US. For this reason, the Islamic world is even willing to ignore the blood of millions of Muslims at the hands of the Chinese.

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I dont think it is as much of a mutual respect as it is lack of contact. Where as the Islamic civilization has been able to penetrate India, Africa and to large extent even Europe, but that is not the case with China. Battle of Talas both Islamic and Chinese civilization were at war. Centuries later, if Timur Lane had survived a little longer, he was making preparations to invade China and do there as he did during his other conquests i.e. loot, rape, kill. But it was China's good fortune he died before bringing destruction upon them. During the 19th century, the Chinese controlled the land of the Uighurs (now western China). The Muslims rose up in rebellion, but the Chinese mercilessly killed millions of Muslims. Such destruction of Muslims has not occurred since the Mongol invasions. I don't think the Chinese have respect for the Muslims otherwise they would not have committed such a genocide against the Muslims. Even today, the Chinese oppress the Muslims of western China much more than even Palistinians are by the Israelis. This is not a sign of Chinese having respect for Muslims.

Well, Chinese and Islamic Civilizations didn't go against each other on strategic level...I meant to say that they both respected each other's power in previous times.

Regarding China killing Muslims..thats not b/c they don't respect Muslims..it is just that they will supress ANY threat to their internal integration/stability. Chinese even murdered millions of Christians to suppress their rebellion...it doesn't mean they don't respect ' Christians' ...its just that Chinese are ultra nationalist and they are brutally brutal against any insurgency/rebellion rising within China against the mainland Chinese rulers...


In reality I think today Muslims are showing respect for China because China is a rising star. They see China as a counter balance to American/European power and influence. Even Africans for this very same reason are getting very close to the Chinese and the Chinese are more than happy to extend their influence across the world where nations are unhappy with the US. For this reason, the Islamic world is even willing to ignore the blood of millions of Muslims at the hands of the Chinese.

Pretty accurate

Muslims will like a mult-polar world ...and we are going towards that..so mashallah its good......it serves us our interests well...

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