Jump to content

Edl On Bbc Asian Network


proactive
 Share

Recommended Posts

One U.S Sikh who lives in California (where I live) has already agreed with me that yes, this gangsta problem in Sikhs is true...Anyways, not all Sikhs are like that, but youths do have this gangsta wanna be attitude...

.

I can totally see your point here.

But on the flip side, Cartoons are seen as an attack/insult against whole Islam..hence you'll see a reaction among Muslims...Regardless, majority of Muslims will regard woolwich attack as UnIslamic, inhumane, and terroristic.

thanks for reply.. sorry i resonded to your other post here regarding sikh gangsters in us.. again personally lets not get confused with culture background and religion..

Anyway back to the point i made for me personally i see both as insults or maybe you are not aware of groups who more or less supported and justified the woolwich attack... veer i hope you can appreciate thats its difficult for convo on forums so pls do a little research into the incidents we are talking about....

I do not speak on behalf of the sikh nation or this website but something i woukd expect from myself and sikh authorities if we were in a similar situation as muslims are in...

If somebody or group was to insult our gurus publicly i would protest and " go nuts", but i would also react the same if a sikh butchered aninnocent person, for exampl an innocent hindu (i say hindu because of 1984 which is still fresh to this day).... now we cannot be responsible for individuals who claim to be sikh but if they were shouting sikh slogans and being backed (or actions being justified) by some sikh organisations in the uk personally i would protest out side those sikh organisation buildings to shut down and/or go back to india... now we have a sitation connected to the woolwich incident where muslim groups are justifing their action inparticual the luton group..check out ajem choudry...

my question to uk muslims with their TV speeces was why not protest against these people and their hate ideology...make a real statement..

I agree with you that this tommy guy is a dangerous man as he is clued up and in my opinion is genuine...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No, free speech should cover EVERY TOPIC. If someone wants to criticize Sikhism they should be ALLOWED to and we shouldn't have a problem with it. If an ideology can't stand up to debate then it's not worth following.

Sikhism CAN STAND UP to any debate, so we have nothing to fear. I mean just look at Guru Gobind's 52 Hukams, It's so incredibly righteous IT HURTS. You CAN'T pick holes in the strength of that moral code it's impossible. Modern day values can't even compare to how ridiculously heavenly you're supposed to be in Sikhism :p .

You're missing the point...there is a difference between disagreeing and attempting to insult a religion to cause offence. That was the issue with us with the Narakdharees in 1978; they were slandering the Gurus. Atheists write books and have conferences on why they believe there is no God; no-one has a problem with it. That is having an opinion; deliberately taking the mick is different.
But WHO is denigrating Sikhism anyway? The white man? Hardly! I've never heard/read about a white person saying anything but positive things about Sikhs, talking about how we're all warriors and hard working, really fun people to hang around with and never cause any trouble. I don't see ANY Sikhs disagreeing with this either :p . You CAN'T pick and choose what opinions you're willing to allow.

Again, you're missing the point. They're not doing it yet, but we have seen the reaction when we raise issues (the Be-Izatee play, mixed marriages in Gurdwaras).........the majority of the British public have been against us. They want the right to do insult any religion; this will include ours and is why we should oppose it.

The play Behzti was WRITTEN BY A SIKH don't forget. Someone in our VERY OWN community wanted to talk about various issues we face and we have to allow that. The only real problem was she set the play in a Gurdwara without any actual given reason for it, and Sikhs were RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST about it and not support it. You are also free to call the author a traitor, but violence is out of the question.

The violating of the Gurdwara for cheap publicity by Gurpreet Bhatti was much worse. A Sikh ?.....I think she is more westernised and living by western values than Sikh values. The majority of the British public were with her. We do not face the issues she showed in her play; that was just a pathetic attempt to cause controversy and make her name.

As for Southall. A white person may not want to LIVE there, but would they ever say they feel totally unwelcome? I don't think so. Tommy Robinson has gone on record saying that even though Southall is basically a Sikh town, it's just as friendly as a white area.

Why would white people who have been living in an area for generations move out ? It's not a decision that is taken lightly.

Tommy Robinson has already admitted that classic EDL chants like 'WHO THE EFF IS ALLAH' are probably not the best way to win support, but fact of the matter is Islamists have said and done far worse. Free speech isn't always pretty and nobody said it was, but it is the best way to run the world. The people (no matter who/what they are) in the EDL are ANGRY at the injustice taking place in England, and how their country and future is changing for the worse. PROTESTING with the EDL is the best possible outlet for that anger, far better than random people turning to riots and blind violence like Anders Breivik did in Norway.

The EDL chants are directed against a religion......against ALL Muslims. It shows that this goes beyond just being against Islamists and is why Sikhs should have nothing to do with it. Again, it is inaction by the government that they haven't arrested Islamists making provocative chants.

I disagree, Halal SHOULD be banned.

Muslims had their chance to make it work and they clearly failed us all. Halal should CONTINUE to be banned until they can prove beyond doubt that it will never infringe on the rights of non-Muslims in Britain (95% of the country) ever again.

As a Sikh I will FOREVER be appalled by Halal. As a British person I will FOREVER be appalled by Halal. Halal goes against British views on Animal Welfare, so the time when Halal will be truly acceptable is probably never.

The reason people are being force-fed Halal is not because of Muslims, it is because of retailers who put profit and business efficiency before everything else. Separating Halal and non-Halal is time consuming for them, it's easier to just have Halal. The government needs to make them separate the two and give people the right NOT to eat Halal.

The whole meat industry is cruel and exploits animals living in horrible, cramped conditions before killing them.

The 'Azaan', the Muslim call to prayer should ALSO be banned. Just like it was banned in the Sikh Empire.

WHY should anyone have to hear for miles around AND in their homes, some guy on a loudspeaker chant about how amazing Islam and Muhammad is? How much you suck for being an unbeliever?

WHAT would happen if a Gurdwara started using loudspeakers to blast to the world how amazing the Guru's, the Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Waheguru are? Would Muslims appreciate that? Would anyone actually WANT that?

WHAT would happen if someone was to use loudspeakers at their house and blast to the world how much better they are than everyone else? They'd be arrested :p .

If this is happening then it needs to stop.

"NOW is the time for the country to decide. Do we want Britain-istan. Or do we want Great Britain? YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH. We either have to give Muslims everything they want, or 'limit' them by giving them the SAME rights as the other 95% of this country. There is no halfway point."

Yes, everyone should have the same rights under the law.

Whups, sorry about the late reply. Anyhoo...

I already said that if someone is insulting you DELIBERATELY you should ignore them or respond in a COOL MINDED manner. Sticks and stones mate, at the end of the day Sikhism is unaffected.

HOW can anyone decide what is an acceptable opinion to have? Where are the lines drawn? You simply cannot put a limit on Free Speech on anything but the most extreme things (like inciting violence).

-----------------------

I'm sorry but it just sounds like you're terrified of the 'British public' (who are so inept it took forever for them to acknowledge their children were being groomed) for reasons that you haven't been able to get across.

I'm struggling to understand how a bunch of random white people groaning whilst watching the News is meant to be WORSE... than Pakistani men grooming children in a sadistic manner. Or worse than ANY of the problems the Islamic community gives the country which I have already highlighted. Indians are affected by all of these problems too, not just the white populace.

WHICH is the more pressing matter?

Seriously WHAT is there to be remotely afraid of from downtrodden white people? :p

--------------------------

Fact is when it came to the 'Behzti' situation, some Sikhs were giving the author death threats (so she went into hiding) and some were arrested for violence. Of COURSE there was gonna be negativity, can you blame anyone? How is that meant to look to an outsider?

And what was it all for? A goddamn THEATRE PLAY. The actions of some Sikhs made us look pathetic. It made us look like Muslims... offended at EVERY tiny thing, and we SHOULD be better than that. Protests, lawsuits, boycotts and maybe even a call to get her EXCOMMUNICATED from the Sikh community would be far more appropriate.

Maybe she did write the play just for the controversy, or maybe she didn't we don't know. That said you can't deny that 'honour' isn't a topic that has led to a great deal of stupidity in the Sikh community and of course South Asian communities in general. We just RECENTLY learned the story of the old Sikh woman who got her daughter-in-law murdered in India to preserve her families reputation. Problems exists and eventually SOMEONE is going to talk about them, even in ways we don't like.

I don't recall the feeling towards Sikh protests against greedy Gurdwara's holding Interfaith Marriages being all that bad. After the initial shock value wore off, the discussions were quite civil and the logic of WHY they shouldn't take place quite clear.

-----------------------

With regards to your point about Southall, there are PLENTY of reasons why people who've lived there generations would leave...

They are wealthier and can afford better places to live? Bigger houses?

Jobs? Schools?

They want to move to the country? This is especially true with older people.

And yes, maybe they just want to live with other white people? Are you saying Indians never move out of Muslim dominated areas? It's natural to want to stick with your 'own kind'.

The point is, Southall is still a WELCOMING place for these white people, they aren't being forced out like what happens in these 'Muslim Areas'. In these areas there are people using violence and intimidation to FORCE minorities in the area out. This has happened all across Europe.

---------------------------------------

I never said Muslims were responsible for ridiculously lazy business practices in British companies, that would be the companies themselves. Muslim abattoirs however ARE the source of Halal meat, they lack responsibility and REALLY DON'T CARE AT ALL where it goes.

The whole Halal meat industry should be stopped until it is fully worked out to protect everyone who may come in contact with it, with various laws in place to prevent it ever mucking up ever again. A Sikh should understand the urgent need for this.

Killing animals may be cruel, but the Halal slaughter method (slitting the throat and allowing the animal to bleed to death) is the very worst of all.

I NEVER said that Halal meat should be shut out forever, even though personally I wouldn't have an issue with that :p .

--------------------------------

You've never heard the Azaan before where you live? Good, it's annoying noise pollution which I'm sure was intended to crush the spirits of Kaffirs once upon a time. Only Muslims would ever be allowed to get away with broadcasting their ideals in THAT manner, and they'd take to the streets if anyone else tried to do the same. That has to change.

I'm glad you agree that everyone should have TRULY equal rights and treatment. Right NOW that is not the case, and who else is trying to fix that aside from the EDL? Nobody.

Sikhs have a moral duty to help ensure fairness prevails wherever that may be, members of the EDL have come to US for help not the other way around. If Sikhs giving a unified nod to the EDL sorts out everyones problems, then who are we to stand in the way of positive progress? ... FOOLS that's what. Muslims have not earned our protection, and they are the only ones in the country challenging our own.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sounds like a weak response to me.........a recipe to invite someone to insult you. Sikhism is unaffected but if we are not willing to defend it, then that does not inspire confidence in others of our faith. I think most civilised people can see when the intent is to insult. Insulting a religion in order to provoke a response is VERY extreme.

Not terrified at all, but aware of what is happening and who the sort of people are who support the EDL. I'm not saying them disagreeing with Sikhs is worse than grooming; you are not understanding the context of my posts or the point I am making, I was clearly addressing the type of people who are in the EDL and how we need to understand this before desperately jumping onto their bandwagon. How they have been against Sikhs in certain issues as-well. The amount of racism Sikhs have suffered after 9/11. My point was that 1) it is an attack on Islam the religion 2) if they sort out the Muslims, then Sikhs (or any community who wants to be distinct) will be next. There are much more real issues in the UK than the 'Islamification' of Britain........there is no national identity, community spirit has gone, family values have broken down, white people have moved away from ethnic majority areas, multiculturalism has failed, the economy is crumbling.....Brits want their country back. THESE are the problems.

Sad to see that you view the disrespect of your religion as a 'tiny' thing. What is "better than that", is it tolerating disrespect and letting it get BIGGER AND BIGGER ? Today it was a theatre play, tomorrow it will be a television program, after that a film. If we stayed silent the insults would escalate.

Yes, 'honour' is a topic that has led to a great deal of stupidity in the Sikh community, I totally agree with you. The stupidity of a once proud, dignified people losing their honour and where they would never have tolerated promiscuous behaviour amongst their girls to the situation today where they promote and encourage equality and feminism (anything stupid the man can do, I can do as-well) and then cry that their girls are out of their control !!! The stupidity of honourable people losing such priceless virtues. The stupidity of how we would never have tolerated our children getting married outside the religion to where we invite them to have their marriage inside the Gurdwara and give them a siropa afterwards !!!

Come on..............be real. Having heard the views of white people who left Southall/West London I can assure you the majority of cases was not because they got wealthier and got better jobs..............most of them were working class and not very good academically. The real reason is that they didn't like living amongst Asians and we were accused of the same things that we hear against Muslims today.....they stick to themselves, don't integrate, it doesn't feel like England anymore etc etc. A lot of Britain has 'no-go' areas....generally unemployed, criminal, gangster type youth who have respect for no-one.

Well the BNP have been trying for longer than the EDL...............it doesn't mean Sikhs should join them.

You're talking about morals and fairness while advocating we support racists ??? I have shown you they are not just against militant Islam or Islamification............they are against Islam. Shouting "who the f**k is the Allah", "Muhammad is a p**do".....in one demonstration they were going to burn the Koran to shouts of "burn it, burn it !!!". Are these the sort of people Sikhs want to be supporting....have we become THAT desperate ???

They have come to us because they need to push us forward in their fight against Muslims....this is OBVIOUS. No community is supporting the EDL at the moment, even though they claim they have blacks, jews, sikhs, hindus supporting them, how many do you see in their protest videos ?

Sikhs are CLEARLY being used and set-up here...there are even videos on youtube claiming that Sikhs are the EDL's allies !!! If Sikhs were to support them it would tarnish our name turning the vast majority of good Muslims (who have had nothing to do with grooming) against us and increase tensions between communities.

Hahaha! Your Strawman arguments are amazing! :p

Are you THAT AFRAID of people calling you names? Do you seriously believe Sikhism will turn to dust as easily as Islam does when you argue against it? Is your faith that weak?

WHAT white people are even insulting Sikhism in the first place? Show me.

Inspire confidence in Sikhism? So you're saying that by shutting down peoples ability to express themselves... they're gonna somehow respect us more?

HERE'S AN IDEA! If you want to inspire confidence in Sikhi, how about you LISTEN TO YOUR GURU and try to improve this world with good deeds? By doing Sewa, not by being a crybaby.

It sounds to me like you want to join the Muslims and petition the government for Pakistan style blasphemy laws :p . How terribly sad...

-------------------------------------------

More of your weak Strawman arguments... You seriously sound like you're petrified of absolutely nothing and ready to go cry in the corner.

WHAT harm is the white population of Britain actually doing to you? Doing to Sikhs? WHERE is your evidence that 'THEY ARE COMING FOR US NEXT'?

The fact that the country is multi-ethnic is NEVER going to change. The brown faces aren't going anywhere. The WHOLE point of the EDL is to crack down on Muslim problems NOW while we still have the chance and the Muslim population is small enough to easily deal with.

You want to talk about post 9/11 attacks on Sikhs?

Well how about the fact that Americans have NO IDEA what a Sikh even is? How about the fact that Sikhs have done such a crappy job of separating ourselves from Muslims, that the nutters committing these crimes saw a Turban and INSTANTLY thought Muslim.

In case you haven't yet realised...

Sikhs are being used AS A SHIELD by Muslims. Both in the US and in the UK.

Muslims are using the term 'ASIAN' to SHIELD themselves in the West. To obscure the fact that THEY are the root cause of problems and crimes.

We are just playing into their hands, and we should have separated ourselves from their ilk LONG AGO. Sikhs have been the victims of these attacks and died for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The Wisconsin Gurdwara Shooting was done by a man who had NO IDEA WHO WE EVEN WERE. Are you okay with this?

Did the Muslims ever come out into the street and protest for OUR sake? Hell no. The best we can get is lip service.

-------------------------------------

Disrespect of my religion? Do you not understand the difference between a piece of fiction and ACTUAL REAL LIFE SUFFERING? A theatre play (again which written by a Sikh) does not need to be opposed with violence and death threats under ANY circumstances. Are you saying you advocate such a ridiculous reaction? Over peaceful protest and all the other peaceful (yet powerful) channels?

What I consider TRULY disrespectful is the destruction of an innocent life, of someone being murdered or raped ESPECIALLY if they are a fellow Sikh. THAT is a REAL insult.

I think your values are all messed up mate... And I think the Guru's would agree with me.

What on EARTH are you talking about now? Promiscuous behaviour? What the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING? ¬_¬

Maybe if we didn't have so many scared Sikhs lacking in backbone and willingness to act... then maybe we could actually sort out SOME of our problems? Maybe we could end them entirely?

Setting a good example is generally a good first step. Maybe if you lifted weights and had confidence (like me) you could help keep girls in check?

------------------------------------------------

It doesn't MATTER what these Londoners you say you know think. Either Southall is a welcoming place or it isn't. Are Sikhs going around hassling people and telling them to get out? No? Then that's the end of it.

I live in a mixed Asian area but both of my neighbours on either side are white families. They STILL live here because they've done so for years and it's still a nice welcoming area.

Nobody wants to live in an area plagued by tension, crime and low lifes, doesn't matter what colour they are.

-------------------------------------------

The BNP have been trying to get equal rights have they? Since when? :p

The BNP didn't even allow any non-whites into their organisation until they were forced to relatively recently by the Law. The BNP have nothing good to offer anyone. End of.

----------------------------------------------------

So the EDL is racist now is it? HOW?

I'm brown and I'm telling you they aren't racist. So convince me how they are, bearing in mind that Islam is an ideology NOT a race. There are Muslims of all different colours but only ONE Islam.

There has never been Koran burning at a demonstration either, that is a ridiculous claim.

Militant Islam and Islamification are all aspects of Islam (Jihad) and Sharia Law. You would know this if you read the Koran. ALL of it must be tackled as one entity.

I've already told you that even the EDL Leader himself doesn't support the 'WHO THE EFF IS ALLAH!' chants. That chant is a clear response to the 'GOD IS GREAT' chants constantly used by Islamists and terrorists. I don't support the chants either, but frustrated people need an outlet.

Are you telling me that Muhammad WASN'T a pedophile? He was a 50 odd year old man who married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9 and she STILL played with dolls. How is that NOT a pedophile? :p

There are even ex-Muslims at EDL rallies, so you best believe people from all other ethnic backgrounds support them in some capacity. This is nothing to do with desperation, it's about logic finally winning out. Do you have a better idea? I doubt it.

Ah yes.... We would lose the brilliant 'support' of the community of 'GOOD' Muslims (who incidentally want to have Sharia Law in this country). The same Muslims who have done SO MUCH FOR SIKHS in the past am I RIGHT? ¬_¬

Face reality mate.

I am actually arguing the need for action to sort out Sikh issues.

You on the other hand are simply afraid. You are afraid of white people for some strange reason despite how SOFT this country is. You are also afraid of Muslims. You are being a Muslim apologist (using terms like racist) and want to lick bottoms to try to keep a lid on 'community tensions'.

40 Sikh guys attacked a small Muslim owned restaurant in Leicester after it had been found to be linked to grooming activity, after the police and the Muslim community did nothing to prevent it. THERE is your community cohesion RIGHT THERE. Smashed into a billion pieces :p .

Newsflash.

SIKHS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED TARGETS BY MUSLIMS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. MUSLIMS HAVE NOT SORTED THESE ISSUES OUT.

Why should we protect those who won't do the same for us and only seek to stab us in the back?

Rationality is hard for him to comprehend....I admire your efforts though...

Are you still here? :p

Haven't I thrashed you enough to scare you off by now? You aren't even a challenge :p .

Funny, a Muslim talking about being... hahaha... RATIONAL!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It is said in kalyug dharm will be like a table on one foot...so lets say 25 percent of this world is dharmic(righteous) the other 75 per cent is adharmic..so islam as a percentage increasing makes sense as we are that much closer to khalsa raj...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Your 3 paragraphs are worth 1400 years of Islamic history. My one paragraph was about just 300 years of Sikhi. If Sikhs or Sikhi wasn't a threat to Muslims/Islam, you don't belong on this forum sir. If our growing numbers didn't bother you and your folks, you wouldn't be preaching the accolades of Islam on a Sikh forum.

FACT is that YOU people see us as a THREAT, which is why you're posting here today and I am replying to you. FACT is that YOUR Muslim rulers saw Sikhi and the Gurus as threats which is why they martyred scores of Sikhs all in the name of Islam. FACT is that you guys have seen Sikhs as a threat from the very beginning, and you being present on this forum is just another proof.

If you don't see Sikhs as a threat, why don't you leave us alone and live your life, and let us live ours? We are NOT bothered to read about what Islam has achieved, because all it has given us is the blood written history of our shaheeds. Go and preach Islam to the weak minded ones who lack any deen-imaan and will fall for your words. I grew up right in the Middle East and know your folks inside out. I've seen first hand what happens to non-Muslims under Shariah and Islamic law, so please spare us the lessons. Either admit that you see Sikhs as a threat and so you're on here, or quit posting if you're that confident.

I am not going to ban you or put you again under QC. But if I see ONE more, just ONE more freaking post from you, it will confirm my belief that you guys STILL see Sikhs as a threat. Go teach those who are ignorant enough to learn, we've seen it all enough, we've seen it throughout history and we've seen it first hand.

I know I will probably be QC'D for this one or even banned but how long can a lie last??? In this case Islamic lies are unravelling and to prevent the creed's ultimate self-annihilation it's fundamental (we know in what context) adherents are running around trying to gain more "reverts." On the other yhand his Al-Taqiya is already evident from his b*lls*it on this forum. Need we bother more??? Let him bark its what they are born for.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My faith is not weak, and nor was that of my forefathers....who never tolerated insults to their religion. This, unfortunately, is a recent thing which started with the insulting of Christianity in this country which has cause a lot of problems for the British people. Sad to see that you support it.

The only crybaby is you. You can't take it when someone points the facts about EDL. It's not about being afraid....you asked how the EDL are racist I showed you, and now you can't take it. I'm not worried about anything.

How terribly sad that you tolerate insults to your faith....maybe because you didn't care about it in the first place. You are so obsessed with Muslims that every argument has to come back to them. Get a grip.

I think you've utterly lost it, you're going around in circles, and your inability to refute anything betrays you :p

Let me make this very simple so even YOU can sorta understand...

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE THAT SIKHS ARE AT THREAT FROM THE WHITE POPULATION OR THE EDL? WHERE IS IT? WHY ARE YOU SO PARANOID?

You keep saying you've PROVED something... when you've yet to provide a single shred of evidence. You're just being COMPLETELY paranoid and banging on about a problem that does not actually exist... ALL while ignoring real actual pressing problems.

Go watch videos by the SIKH AWARENESS SOCIETY. Are they showing families that are suffering because of WHITE people? No.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SikhAwarenessSociety

What is your solution to CURRENT Sikh problems? Do you even have one? Let me guess... we all sit, join hands and pray? Then eat Langar? :p

Absolutely pathetic, it's lazy people like YOU that are the problem.

I'm afraid your faith IS weak. Why are you even on a Sikh forum if you don't believe it can stand up to criticism? Did you get called too many names as a child?

An ideology that cannot stand up to debate or a joke is not worth following. Sikhism CAN stand up to those things and it's just incredibly sad you don't believe that.

The purpose of the EDL is to stamp out radical Islam, Sharia Law and obtain equal rights for all in this country. What EXACTLY do you expect this conversation to be about if not Muslims? If the subject was about Gay Marriage... then surely we would be talking about Gay Marriage? Try some logic next time :p .

You're the only one crying here. So desperately scared of Muslims that you saying Sikhs should join a right-wing organisation. Am I saying we should join Muslims ???? Who's the petrified one here ? I was just showing you that members of the EDL are racist against us as-well....which is one reason why we shouldn't join them. But, you ignore the point I am making and keep crying. I was just answering your question.

My life is totally unaffected by Muslims, but my Sikh teachings ask me to stamp out injustice wherever I find it. That is what I intend to do. I also can't ignore the fact that Sikhs themselves have suffered. You on the other hand seem to want to brush everything under the carpet. You're in the wrong decade mate. :p

You clearly don't understand what 'Right Wing' means either. The EDL aren't even a POLITICAL party. Maybe you shouldn't use words you don't understand anymore?

You basically ARE saying to join the Muslims. You're saying we should STOP PEOPLE INSULTING RELIGION. Muslims very much wish they could do the same. Well done!

I've got the perfect country for you to live in, it's called Pakistan. Please go. :p

That is due to our failure to tell people about who we are and also the media being too politically correct and scared of saying 'Muslim'. Again, pathetic that you would excuse racism against your own people. Was it the case in the UK as-well that they don't know who Sikhs are ? It was racism, plain and simple.

And to spell it out for you (as you seem incapable of understanding), I am trying to show you that the current undercurrent of anger is more than just against Muslims. There are some big issues brewing in the UK and Sikhs shouldn't be used as cannon fodder. Look at the bigger picture.

The ONLY one excusing acts of violence is YOU. I'm saying these tragedies should never have taken place, and we should SWIFTLY act to ensure it never ever happens again. You're saying that they were completely unavoidable.

Muslims are USING Sikhs and anything they can stand behind as a SHIELD to protect themselves. To deny this is ridiculous.

The media is also allowing this to happen, even abusing the term ASIAN to hide the true ethnicity of arrested groomers even though it's completely obvious to the world that it's Muslims and in particular Pakistanis.

Once again you have to PROVIDE EVIDENCE that Sikhs have anything to fear from the white people in this country. Until you can do that you are just being a paranoid nutcase and ignoring REAL problems that exist TODAY.

Once again, go watch the Sikh Awareness Society videos.

Are you part of the Turban Campaign or something? You seem deluded enough :p

Stop crying, no-one was killed or raped over the play. I consider the destruction of a way of life / culture truly disrespectful. Your values are truly messed up......leaving Sikh values and adopting chav values. If you look at our history we have never tolerated disrespect of our religion. In fact the recent struggle from 1978 actually started from this issue. Even the rehatnamey say "Gur Ki Ninda sunai na kaan"...but these would not be in line with your so-called British values so I would expect you to sell out here.

29.

Dushman naal saam, daam, bhaed, aadiak, upaa vartnae ate uprant udh karnaa|

When dealing with enemies, practice diplomacy, employ a variety of tactics, and exhaust all techniques before engaging in warfare.

WHERE did the Guru say to scream death threats and act like a violent monkeys when someone insults your faith? OH WAIT, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT ANYWHERE!

You're nothing but a hypocrite. You call out the EDL for 'WHO THE EFF IS ALLAH' chants and yet you REFUSE to condemn Sikhs saying EVEN WORSE things (against one defenceless Sikh woman). If you can dish it out, then you should be able to take it. Pathetic.

Like I said.

JUST A HYPOCRITE.

Re-read my post...it's linked to the issue of honour. I don't think you will understand this though....

Oh really? You blabbing on about promiscuity was to do with the topic of honour?

To me it just sounded like you were angry at women for not paying any attention to you :p

I can't blame them...

I was talking about HONOUR KILLINGS. You know... a problem that ACTUALLY EXISTS. It is the fault of the Sikh community for its continued silence on the matter and allowing these to take place for so long. When the dam broke and someone finally tackled that taboo subject, what do you EXPECT to happen? Did you expect to love what was being said?

Did you ever consider she made it as controversial as she did JUST SO that horrible subject could never be ignored again? To save lives?

No, they have been against Islam and Islamification long before the EDL were.

Are you really silly enough to bring up the BNP in a topic where they aren't even remotely relevant?

The BNP have always been against EVERYTHING non-white including Islam. The Shere Punjab used to fight with their lot plenty back in the day. I already stated that the BNP have nothing useful to offer Sikhs PERIOD. Unless you can think of a reason otherwise... how about you start trying to argue intelligently instead of relying on flippant comments?

Again, you are in denial, pretending there are no issues with white people moving out of ethnic areas. They feel like they are being pushed out of all areas. How many Muslims are going around telling people to get out ? Or, is this just something spread by scaremongers ?

I LIVE next to white people, they feel quite safe and welcome. Maybe that is different where you live. Maybe you should do something about that?

You want EVIDENCE of Muslims using violence and intimidation on locals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0S6cQxhFVM

Enjoy trying to deny that.

I'm not going to keep repeating the same things. When I give you examples you go into denial and scream "petrified, sacred...". They didn't burn the koran.....they were going to. I have seen the video on youtube.

The only way YOU will stop repeating the same things is when you stop typing. If only... :p

That is correct. They DIDN'T burn the Koran. They never HAVE burned the Koran. If they DID burn the Koran then riots would take place somewhere and non-Muslims would likely DIE.

On the other hand Radical Muslims have burned poppies, flags, Bibles, screamed at returning soldiers. You name it they've done it, and NO Muslims have been killed for it.

So WHICH group is more unhinged?

Here are videos of the EDL supporting Sikh protests trying to get Professor Bullar released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFslu0LhSq8

The EDL were also present at the Sikh protest in Luton in 2012.

So tell me, who is seeking out who here? Who is desperate for assistance? Clearly it's the ordinary White British man.

Just as the Kashmiri Hindu's pleaded with Guru Tegh Bahadur to save them from their forced conversions by the Mughals. The EDL have come to asks Sikhs to join them against a common oppressor. You can either pass up that offer and keep crying when Muslims annoy us, or we can nip that problem in the bud forever.

I am being LOGICAL. You are not...

25.

Budh bal da daataa vaheguroo noo jaananaa|

Appreciate intellect and power as gifts of the all knowing wondrous Enlightener.

This proves you are against a religion, something Sikhs have never been in history. Even after sacrificing his four sons Guru Gobind Singh Ji writes a letter to Aurangzeb (Zafarnama) and talks about how Aurangzeb is a deceiving swine who has disgraced his religion. They did NOT start bashing Islam.

First of all there is no OFFICIAL copy of the Zafarnamah available, everyone agrees it may not have been reproduced perfectly.

Second, WHY would the Guru insult Islam and the average Muslim anyway? His quarrel was with Aurangzeb, who had lied to the Guru specifically. It is not the average Muslim that is to blame, and nobody has ever claimed that to be the case.

You're forgetting the fact that Guru Gobind himself commanded Banda Singh Bahadur to get revenge for the suffering Sikhs had undergone, STRAIGHT after writing the letter. He never told him to attack all Muslims, that would have been ridiculous.

With that same thought in mind the EDL also recognises that it is Muslims who are in fact the first victims of Islam, ESPECIALLY the women. In the West Muslims are quite ignorant of what they have been born into.

No Sikh in history has ever spoken like that about anyone else's religion. Typical chav language.

Are you denying that Muhammad married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9? Are you denying the words written in the Koran?

The most prized Muslims sources SAY THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.

Are you saying that the Muslim sources are 'TYPICAL CHAV LANGUAGE'?

Is that REALLY how you want to go about this? You sound like an Islamophobe... :p

50.

Jhutthi gavaahee nahee daenee|

Do not make false statements.

I am simply doing as my Guru says I should and SPEAKING THE TRUTH. Maybe you should try it?

There is ONE Muslim who goes to the EDL rallies.

Well there's at least 2 mate :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzWJddc9gkA

I DO love making you look silly.

We need to do this as we have BIG problems.

And WHAT exactly do we do about these problems? You have NO ANSWERS WHATSOEVER :p .

You are so afraid that you want to lick chav bottoms, begging them to fight Muslims for you. Have you become that desperate ? I am not saying we should join Muslims...YOU are saying we should join EDL, so who is the apologist, who is desperate, who is frightened ????? You contradict yourself by saying we should be strong, but you are so petrified that you want to join the EDL !!!

I am hardly a Muslim apologist as I support our community taking action when required (eg. Shere Punjab).......but NOT by being used as pawns by the EDL. I am in favour of our community concentrating on ourselves and tackling our problems OURSELVES without being so scared that we have to join right-wing groups (by doing this we will end up being used and look stupid).

No YOU are a perpetual bottom licker. You are licking Muslim bottoms. You are licking Leftist and Socialist bottoms. THEN you want to hide and cry in the corner until the problems we face go away, but they NEVER EVER will. Without action NOTHING will ever be fixed.

What I PERSONALLY am saying is we should answer the call of those who are suffering because of Islam and NEED HELP (which the EDL have asked for), whether that be the White population or our own fellow Sikhs who have been victims. We need to end that sort of rubbish forever, and we'll never get a better opportunity than this.

We ALREADY look stupid protecting the only group of people who ever even attempt to harm us. Do you HONESTLY think Pakistani Muslims respect us? Seriously?

Good for the Sikh guys. Again, not a reason to join the EDL.

Yes, we should be proud of them. If only more were capable of that sort of strength...

Too many of us are more than happy to moan and complain and never lift a single finger. Like you for example :p .

I'm not saying we should protect them. We shouldn't join the EDL.

Ahhh but you see we ARE already protecting them!

By not separating ourselves from Muslims we are protecting them. Protecting the very people who have committed crimes against us. The 'Turban Campaign' is standing in the way of the EDL and protecting Muslims. The 'Sikhs Against The EDL' are standing in the way of the EDL and protecting Muslims.

The message that Sikhs give off now is very BLURRED. We have supporters of the EDL and we have people against it. WE ARE NOT NEUTRAL whether you want to believe it or not. If we WERE totally neutral and not connected to any group, that would be BETTER than the mess we have right now.

Although I would prefer it if Sikhs (and Hindu's of course) were quiet supporters, allowing the White population to drive the EDL message harder into the mainstream with the greater moral grounding we could offer them. The government would be forced to tackle pressing issues. Sharia would be forever shut down as it should. We would all get what we want with the minumum amount of work. Indians would be respected as those who stood up for British rights. Easy peasy.

And STOP dodging my questions. Tell me WHAT have ever Muslims done for us? WHAT have they done to protect us?

WHAT better ideas do you have to sort out our problems? When you should KNOW that putting pressure on governments is a numbers game.

I look forward to your reply...

...

Also, have you noticed how PakistaniPunjabi01 (our resident Radical Muslim) seems to like you posts? How very interesting... :p

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • yeh it's true, we shouldn't be lazy and need to learn jhatka shikaar. It doesn't help some of grew up in surrounding areas like Slough and Southall where everyone thought it was super bad for amrit dharis to eat meat, and they were following Sant babas and jathas, and instead the Singhs should have been normalising jhatka just like the recent world war soldiers did. We are trying to rectifiy this and khalsa should learn jhatka.  But I am just writing about bhog for those that are still learning rehit. As I explained, there are all these negative influences in the panth that talk against rehit, but this shouldn't deter us from taking khanda pahul, no matter what level of rehit we are!
    • How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant? By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
    • Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?  Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
    • Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
    • Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use