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[Pehlvan]

If you want to march alongside chavs shouting "muhammad is a p***o", "who the f**k is Allah" and do a disservice to Sikhi in the process than that is up to you. Slogans like this clearly show that EDL are not just against militant Islam but Islam itself. This is going to turn moderate Muslims away and polarise people more. They also want the right to insult religion....this will include Sikhi. We saw what happened with the Be-Izatee play and how the majority of the British public was against us for not wanting our religion to made a mockery of. As Sikhs we should be against ANY religion or prophet being insulted. Disagreeing with a religion is OK, but insulting it is not.....there is a difference. We don't like it when our religion is insulted; let's not insult other people's religion.

Some of the points they raise are valid and it is due to weak governments and weak community leaders that these have not been addressed. Halal meat is a big one.......it should clearly be labelled. Let people have the choice whether to have halal or non-halal meat. Shere Punjab shouldn't have been dismissed by members of our community when they were highlighting the cases of grooming gangs. They did make a lot of sacrifices for our community and should be given respect. At last the police are putting evil scumbag perverts behind bars. As has been said, there is a higher percentage of them amongst the Pakistani community....this is a problem they need to address. The hate preachers who are against this country should be deported....the government needs to be harder.

Regarding EDL members being racist or not, or coming for us afterwards.......have we forgotten the amount of racism we have suffered since 9/11 ? Was this really a case of mistaken identity.......or a chance for racism to rear it's ugly head ? Look at the EDL members........those Sikhs who live in the UK know the reaction you would get if you met one of these on the street. Oh, but it's a case of mistaken identity, they don't know the difference between us and Muslims, I hear you say. Really ? How come no orthodox Jew with an uncut beard is never mistaken for being a Muslim ???? How come no black people are ever mistaken for being Muslim ? This is racism and we need to be fighting against it rather than supporting it. We are never going to be acceptable to them until we have totally assimilated, ie. lost our own heritage and culture. They are desperate now and have their hands full with Muslims; this is why they are trying to push us forward to fight against Muslims.

We have to look at the bigger picture and see the issues that have arisen in this country. Multiculturalism has failed.....how many white English people do you know living in Sikh dominated areas like Southall / West London ? They have ALL moved out....why ???? They were saying many of the same things about us that are now being said about Muslims. If you preserve your own culture then you are not integrating with the host community, if you lose your culture then you are a traitor to your own heritage. The economic problems have caused huge anger in the working classes, they are sick of mass immigration and opinion is going towards the right.

[jashb]

I love how you just try to downplay and pass the blame on everything. Please continue it's really quite entertaining .

Ostrich syndrome. Is that not what it's called?

Unfortunately, this kind of behaviour is quite typical of middle class punjabi muslims.

You know what? It's not like these folks don't know that a gutter underclass of muslims, such as somalians and mirpuri paks, exist.

However, they've never lived close enough to one to know how their religious cohorts make the lives of non-muslims hell, wherever they form a sizeable chunk of the population.

Because they're comfortably holed up in the leafy suburbs, far from the inner city hell that is bradistan/londonistan/luton/chalvey/alum rock.

That and the fact that punjabi muslims are very careful about socialising within their class - which means doctors, accountants, solicitors - who all live in the same successful middle class/ aspiring higher middle class bubble, which consists of zero to no interaction with the types of gutter rat muslims that are responsible for petty street crime, child grooming, prostitution, aggressive/forced conversions, brainwashing, blackmail, wanton violence and the general social disarray that you see daily "in the endz".

Head in the sand.

What a shame.

[TandooriSingh]

Oh we're playing the quoting game?

No, only kids do that....

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

- Sir Winston Churchill

Oh dang! You started playing this game...

My quote was related to the topic in hand..A contemporary leader making a comment about a contemporary phenomenon in his country...

Churchil didn't know jack about Islam..nor was he an intellectual to make such comment...

And I think we can both agree Churchill will forever be considered a FAR more important and much less annoying Prime Minister than David Cameron in the eyes of nearly everyone .

Churchil was just an English hitler..who cares what he says? lol...His views of india and indian religions weren't any better..Its funny to see you jumping around on what churchil says about Islam..but you will go quiet about his views of indians and indian religions... :biggrin2:

Er... Anyway I thought you were American?

How do know what it's like to live in British towns and cities? Or are you simply ASSUMING that problems are just being made up? Videos on Youtube all being staged? Are all the tons of arrests linked to grooming false?

I have alot of friends from Britain...We live in a global village...

I'm afraid you're simply wrong, people of ALL races and faiths, men and women are siding with the EDL now, it's not just white working class male chavs. The EDL have recently swollen in size after the Woolwich incident and will continue to do so, more and more floodgates are opening.

Yeah yeah yeah...people of ''ALL'' races and colors blah blah...seems like you are also one of the EDLer....

Not to mention, there are 'Defence Leagues' popping up in almost every Western country, and they're all networking together.

These 'defence' leagues are a joke. Nothing to care about..Just platforms for racist people to gather and cry....

Sharia isn't welcome in Britain. Any of it. Muslims just have to live without it.

Who are YOU to decide that? If Muslims want to practice Sharia in their personal ability, no one has any right to stop them. If one doesn't want to drink or pork b/c they follow sharia...who are you to decide against it?

That means...

No Halal.

Please...spare me this bs. No halal? LOL! If Muslims want to eat halal, what is your problem? Europeans are dumb enough to try to stop halal or anything. This will cause huge uproar among millions of Muslims living in Europe...Halal industry is a growing industry in Europe. Europeans can't and won't do anything against halal...

If Muslims choose halal meat for themselves, what is your problem?

No Burqa (or any face covering for that matter including balaclava's).

Personally, I don't care about Burka. Hijab is the part of Islam, not burka. But if some girl willingly want to wear burka..then what is your problem?

No Sharia Law courts.

Yeah whatever...

No building more Mosques than necessary in an area.

Guess what? Its Muslims who get to decide how many Mosques are needed to cater the needs of the community...you don't decide what is 'necessary' for Muslims...Buzz off...

NO OTHER RELIGION goes against British Laws, that is the point

Bigotry and Islamophobia...

There IS clearly an Islamification of Britain going on, but that time is over now. Muslims are free to live in Britain, but they have to follow the same rules as everyone else and they don't have a choice.

Same rules apply on Muslims as on everybody else. Muslims don't have a '

I can admit to being childish now and again, but I think you may have me beat this time. I mean really?

Calling Winston Churchill an English Hitler? Did he commit any genocides that I'm not aware of? I'm pretty sure he's hailed as a hero for defending Britain and defeating Nazi Germany in World War 2...

Not to mention Churchill served in the armed forces and likely had more experience in Muslim countries and majority Muslim states than YOU yourself have.

And you're saying he's less intellectual than... David 'The Chameleon' Cameron!

Instead of dissing Winston Churchill, why don't you explain what's actually FACTUALLY WRONG about what he said?

Oh you want another quote? About Indian religions this time? NO PROBLEMO!

".....It is a matter of regret that due to the obsession of the present times people are distorting the superior religious and social values, but those who wish to preserve them with respect, we should appreciate them as well as help them. Sikhs do need our help for such a cause and we should give it happily. Those who know the Sikh history, know England's relationship with the Sikhs and are aware of the achievements of the Sikhs, they should persistently support the idea of relaxation to Sikhs to ride a motorbike with their turbans on, because it is their religious privilege."

Churchill, further added:

"...British people are highly indebted and obliged to Sikhs for a long time. I know that within this century we needed their help twice and they did help us very well. As a result of their timely help, we are today able to live with honour, dignity, and independence. In the war, they fought and died for us, wearing the turbans. At that time we were not adamant that they should wear safety helmets because we knew that they are not going to wear them anyways and we would be deprived of their help. At that time due to our miserable and poor situation, we did not force it on them to wear safety helmets, why should we force it now? Rather, we should now respect their traditions and by granting this legitimate concession, win their applaud."

- Sir Winston Churchill, addressing British Parliment.

Happy? It sounds quite positive! This Churchill bloke sounds like a decent guy to me mate

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Global village? Not quite... I have American friends I speak to everyday, but that doesn't mean I know what it's like to live in Boston day in day out.

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Sorry to break it to you but it's true, EVERY kind of person and even ex-Muslims are indeed gravitating to the EDL. Maybe it's growing even faster than Islam?

If these 'Defense Leagues' are not important enough to care about, then why are so many Muslims and Leftists afraid? Why are they constantly shouting the EDL down and closing down legitimate debate? Why are they trying so hard to get organisations like it banned?

The Leftist media and the BBC just look like cartoon clowns now, everyone can see right through them.

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If Muslims don't want to drink alcohol or eat pork, that's entirely up to them. I don't drink, but pork is just delicious .

POLLUTING the food that the other 95% of the country wants to eat? That is unacceptable, and it's happened too often.

Too long have supermarkets lied to the masses about where their meat comes from. Schools have served Halal food to children without parental consent. Restaurants serve Halal without making sure people are adequately informed or even get a choice of anything else. All of this for simple moneymaking reasons like CHEAPER COST OF MEAT AND MORE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

It's a travesty and needs to end. The few do not get to erode the rights of the many.

Sikhs of course are forbidden to eat Halal, the Guru's rejected barbaric ritual slaughter in ALL of its many forms.

However the fact of the matter is NO non-Muslim wants to support the Halal Meat Industry ESPECIALLY without knowing about it, and when they DO know they definitely don't want to support it .

Halal slaughter abattoirs? Where animals are brutalized? Where only Muslims can work? Where money goes to Jihad? NO THANKS BRO.

In fact lets flip it and think about Muslims suffering! (which is all you care about)

How many times have we seen situations where food that is SUPPOSED to be Halal, has not actually lived up to Halal standards? Either it's been stunned and killed 'incorrectly', or it's got Pork DNA in it or has been contaminated in some other way. The system of handling meat has failed Muslims and they've been lied to as well.

Halal should be banned in Britain (and Western) countries, it's simply incompatible and doesn't work. If they want to eat Halal meat they can do it in a Muslim country. That way we ALL know where we stand.

In Sura 5:3: Muslims are ALLOWED to eat non-Halal meat if it there is no other option for them, so there really shouldn't be a problem. That said Europe is quite used to 'Muslim Uproar' by now anyway .

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As for Hijabs and Burqa's well...

Sura 33:59:

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.

To me that sounds like the Koran is saying women should be completely covered, so the Burqa is more 'official' than the Hijab. Quite frankly to be a REALLY GOOD Muslim, women should only have ONE eye hole!

What's wrong with the Burqa? Well tell me what's RIGHT about it?

It's dull and not very nice to look at. It's a symbol of female oppression. It completely destroys any forms of communication and integration. Oh and... MUSLIM MEN HAVE COMMITTED ROBBERIES WEARING BURQA'S MANY TIMES BEFORE...

Nobody has a problem with the Hijab, it's just a scarf after all. The Burqa however is completely different and not welcome in Britain, even if it was the womans 'choice'. ALL face coverings should be banned for security reasons no matter what.

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No I'm afraid it's NOT Muslims who get to decide who builds Mosques, it's the LOCAL COUNCILS. Without building permission, you can't build ANYTHING it doesn't matter who you are. Some towns/cities have more Mosques than the Muslims who actually live there know what to do with. There should be a quota system in place.

I'd be equally against having a Gurdwara or Mandir on every street corner too, but at least I'd know they weren't having regular talks given by HATE PREACHERS!

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Bigot? Islamophobe? I was wondering when you'd pull those out. I guess that means I've won the argument. You didn't even have a comeback for Sharia Law courts .

What about racist? CALL ME RACIST!

Oh wait... You can't call me that because we're both brown...

[PakistaniPunjabi01]

PakistaniPunjabi veer, I am not sure if you're getting the point. Muslims may be entitled to enforcing Islamic law in Muslim countries on both Muslims and non-Muslims alike, but they don't have any right to do so in Western countries. Britain or any Western country will never, and I repeat never ever come under Sharia law no matter what. You guys can have your Halal meat shops, you can have your ladies wear the burqa, you can abide by your Sharia law within the confines of your homes, mosques and religious institutions. But just like you don't want others to decide what Muslims should and shouldn't do, its likewise from the other end as well. Muslims in the West will never get to dictate what others should or shouldn't do in those countries.

Oh veer ji, who is forcing burka on Western women? Who is telling Western public to follow Sharia?

No one is. Criminals are in every community...but Muslims of West don't expect anyone to follow our law...

Also, Muslims do know that west will never become under Sharia..West is West...not Nigeria, Pakistan, India, Sharia-Zone, China what so ever...

[TandooriSingh]

If you want to march alongside chavs shouting "muhammad is a p***o", "who the f**k is Allah" and do a disservice to Sikhi in the process than that is up to you. Slogans like this clearly show that EDL are not just against militant Islam but Islam itself. This is going to turn moderate Muslims away and polarise people more. They also want the right to insult religion....this will include Sikhi. We saw what happened with the Be-Izatee play and how the majority of the British public was against us for not wanting our religion to made a mockery of. As Sikhs we should be against ANY religion or prophet being insulted. Disagreeing with a religion is OK, but insulting it is not.....there is a difference. We don't like it when our religion is insulted; let's not insult other people's religion.

Some of the points they raise are valid and it is due to weak governments and weak community leaders that these have not been addressed. Halal meat is a big one.......it should clearly be labelled. Let people have the choice whether to have halal or non-halal meat. Shere Punjab shouldn't have been dismissed by members of our community when they were highlighting the cases of grooming gangs. They did make a lot of sacrifices for our community and should be given respect. At last the police are putting evil scumbag perverts behind bars. As has been said, there is a higher percentage of them amongst the Pakistani community....this is a problem they need to address. The hate preachers who are against this country should be deported....the government needs to be harder.

Regarding EDL members being racist or not, or coming for us afterwards.......have we forgotten the amount of racism we have suffered since 9/11 ? Was this really a case of mistaken identity.......or a chance for racism to rear it's ugly head ? Look at the EDL members........those Sikhs who live in the UK know the reaction you would get if you met one of these on the street. Oh, but it's a case of mistaken identity, they don't know the difference between us and Muslims, I hear you say. Really ? How come no orthodox Jew with an uncut beard is never mistaken for being a Muslim ???? How come no black people are ever mistaken for being Muslim ? This is racism and we need to be fighting against it rather than supporting it. We are never going to be acceptable to them until we have totally assimilated, ie. lost our own heritage and culture. They are desperate now and have their hands full with Muslims; this is why they are trying to push us forward to fight against Muslims.

We have to look at the bigger picture and see the issues that have arisen in this country. Multiculturalism has failed.....how many white English people do you know living in Sikh dominated areas like Southall / West London ? They have ALL moved out....why ???? They were saying many of the same things about us that are now being said about Muslims. If you preserve your own culture then you are not integrating with the host community, if you lose your culture then you are a traitor to your own heritage. The economic problems have caused huge anger in the working classes, they are sick of mass immigration and opinion is going towards the right.

No, free speech should cover EVERY TOPIC. If someone wants to criticize Sikhism they should be ALLOWED to and we shouldn't have a problem with it. If an ideology can't stand up to debate then it's not worth following.

Sikhism CAN STAND UP to any debate, so we have nothing to fear. I mean just look at Guru Gobind's 52 Hukams, It's so incredibly righteous IT HURTS. You CAN'T pick holes in the strength of that moral code it's impossible. Modern day values can't even compare to how ridiculously heavenly you're supposed to be in Sikhism .

The problem is when you've got people like PakistaniPunjabi01 talking rubbish about things they don't understand (like what an inferiority complex is ) and REFUSING to engage in actual debate. At that point all you can do is ignore them until they get bored and go away.

But WHO is denigrating Sikhism anyway? The white man? Hardly! I've never heard/read about a white person saying anything but positive things about Sikhs, talking about how we're all warriors and hard working, really fun people to hang around with and never cause any trouble. I don't see ANY Sikhs disagreeing with this either . You CAN'T pick and choose what opinions you're willing to allow.

The play Behzti was WRITTEN BY A SIKH don't forget. Someone in our VERY OWN community wanted to talk about various issues we face and we have to allow that. The only real problem was she set the play in a Gurdwara without any actual given reason for it, and Sikhs were RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST about it and not support it. You are also free to call the author a traitor, but violence is out of the question.

As for Southall. A white person may not want to LIVE there, but would they ever say they feel totally unwelcome? I don't think so. Tommy Robinson has gone on record saying that even though Southall is basically a Sikh town, it's just as friendly as a white area.

There are tons of Sikhs that live in Bradford, but that doesn't mean I ever want to live in freaking Bradford.

Shutting down debate is ONLY for the weak minded, the Guru's were STRONG and engaged in debate as much as possible. Violence was the only option for dealing with barbarians like the Mughals, and THAT is why Sikhism took up arms. Violence is the LAST option, when there are no other means of getting justice (like what happened in Leicester with the police not doing anything to help). In some cases violence is morally superior to inaction.

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Tommy Robinson has already admitted that classic EDL chants like 'WHO THE EFF IS ALLAH' are probably not the best way to win support, but fact of the matter is Islamists have said and done far worse. Free speech isn't always pretty and nobody said it was, but it is the best way to run the world. The people (no matter who/what they are) in the EDL are ANGRY at the injustice taking place in England, and how their country and future is changing for the worse. PROTESTING with the EDL is the best possible outlet for that anger, far better than random people turning to riots and blind violence like Anders Breivik did in Norway.

We already had the 2001 Bradford Riots years ago before we even knew multi-culturalism failed. Do you seriously think that can't happen again? Or worse?

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I disagree, Halal SHOULD be banned.

Muslims had their chance to make it work and they clearly failed us all. Halal should CONTINUE to be banned until they can prove beyond doubt that it will never infringe on the rights of non-Muslims in Britain (95% of the country) ever again.

As a Sikh I will FOREVER be appalled by Halal. As a British person I will FOREVER be appalled by Halal. Halal goes against British views on Animal Welfare, so the time when Halal will be truly acceptable is probably never.

The 'Azaan', the Muslim call to prayer should ALSO be banned. Just like it was banned in the Sikh Empire.

WHY should anyone have to hear for miles around AND in their homes, some guy on a loudspeaker chant about how amazing Islam and Muhammad is? How much you suck for being an unbeliever?

WHAT would happen if a Gurdwara started using loudspeakers to blast to the world how amazing the Guru's, the Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Waheguru are? Would Muslims appreciate that? Would anyone actually WANT that?

WHAT would happen if someone was to use loudspeakers at their house and blast to the world how much better they are than everyone else? They'd be arrested .

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THAT is not equal rights. Just because you are a Muslim in a Mosque does not give you a right to annoy the rest of us like that. Either let us ALL use loudspeakers or NOBODY can use them.

NOW is the time for the country to decide. Do we want Britain-istan. Or do we want Great Britain? YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH. We either have to give Muslims everything they want, or 'limit' them by giving them the SAME rights as the other 95% of this country. There is no halfway point.

That is the only option for having true peace, although 'peace' in a Muslim country doesn't count for anything when it comes to a Kaffir.

If Muslims don't like these fair terms, they are free to leave. The countless violent conquests of Islam have given them MANY places to choose from. Places that probably have better weather and scenery than Britain ANYWAY .

Oh veer ji, who is forcing burka on Western women? Who is telling Western public to follow Sharia?

No one is. Criminals are in every community...but Muslims of West don't expect anyone to follow our law...

Also, Muslims do know that west will never become under Sharia..West is West...not Nigeria, Pakistan, India, Sharia-Zone, China what so ever...

You've had all this time and STILL you haven't replied to my post. Such a shame... but for all I know you've set me to 'ignore'. I shall take that as my glorious victory over you .

The Muslim women that are emotionally blackmailed into wearing a Burqa and into using Sharia courts (where they are mistreated)? THEY ARE BRITISH WOMEN.

The violence and intimidation used by Muslims on non-Muslims who walk into the wrong part of town? Go watch some videos on Youtube.

Criminals are in every community I agree. People will always be people. It's the values those people believe in that ultimately matter, and so...

Show me a Sikh grooming gang that targets non-Sikh girls, and uses Sikh ideology to justify it. Actually just show me a SINGLE Sikh grooming gang, even one. I'm not even saying they don't exist, I want to know what Sikhs have the guts to be this disgusting.

You can't do it... can you .

[TandooriSingh]

I've found a nice little 3 minutes video of EDL...

This is my favorite EDL video... :biggrin2:

AAANNNNNDDDD... you continue to ignore debate.

Dude...

How is anyone supposed to take you remotely seriously when you're saying punching someone in the face when you've lost a debate is good?

What did Tommy do here to earn a punch? This radical couldn't even control himself with a CAMERA pointing straight at his face...

Keep on promoting random acts of violence though if you want, I've seen THIS EXACT behaviour (most celebrating Tommy got slapped, a few smart people worrying about how bad it'll make Islam look) on Muslim forums with THIS EXACT old Youtube clip

I mean... that pretty much sums you up .

[satbachan96]

Paki01 its all good u takin an interest but do you really understand uk islam practice...i have no idea of usa gangsta sikhs..you may be right...but im sure usa sikhs will argue against...personally i dont know.

? Paki01 you have no clue what it is really likee for victims in uk from militant islam attacks...

Many uk muslims say they are against the woolwich attacks....but it is said in a political speech...

ClEAR EXAMPLe E....cartoon on prophet mohammed was made... the whole uk muslim population in uk went nuts( sorry no other word)....and protests....why did the"real muslims" not protest the same when the woolwich soldier was murdered...is cartoon jokes more important than life .... from a neutral prospective sems like hypocrisy......

[Mehtab Singh]

A small cat should not come in between two fighting lions...no matter what the result is, cat would suffer.

Similarly, Sikhs should stay away from this struggle of Muslims vs White-racists...

Let me correct you, a lion should let two stray street cats fight over a piece of meat till they scratch each other bloodily, and walk away as if he wasn't concerned a single bit.

You should never make the mistake of taking Sikhs as cats. History has proven otherwise.

[TheFancyBanana]

Similarly, Sikhs should stay away from this struggle of Muslims vs White-racists...or support Muslims...but siding with racists against your own brown people is the way to go?

Own brown people? Erm... ok. So all brown people have to support Islam? And it isn't racist when you criticise an ideology.

Anyway, why should we stay away from it. It involves us just as much as anyother group. Just saying that many mosques and imaams call for Sikh and Hindu girls to be converted. (A Muslim also told me this). They target our girls, why can't we be involved?

[Pehlvan]

No, free speech should cover EVERY TOPIC. If someone wants to criticize Sikhism they should be ALLOWED to and we shouldn't have a problem with it. If an ideology can't stand up to debate then it's not worth following.

Sikhism CAN STAND UP to any debate, so we have nothing to fear. I mean just look at Guru Gobind's 52 Hukams, It's so incredibly righteous IT HURTS. You CAN'T pick holes in the strength of that moral code it's impossible. Modern day values can't even compare to how ridiculously heavenly you're supposed to be in Sikhism .

You're missing the point...there is a difference between disagreeing and attempting to insult a religion to cause offence. That was the issue with us with the Narakdharees in 1978; they were slandering the Gurus. Atheists write books and have conferences on why they believe there is no God; no-one has a problem with it. That is having an opinion; deliberately taking the mick is different.

But WHO is denigrating Sikhism anyway? The white man? Hardly! I've never heard/read about a white person saying anything but positive things about Sikhs, talking about how we're all warriors and hard working, really fun people to hang around with and never cause any trouble. I don't see ANY Sikhs disagreeing with this either . You CAN'T pick and choose what opinions you're willing to allow.

Again, you're missing the point. They're not doing it yet, but we have seen the reaction when we raise issues (the Be-Izatee play, mixed marriages in Gurdwaras).........the majority of the British public have been against us. They want the right to do insult any religion; this will include ours and is why we should oppose it.

The play Behzti was WRITTEN BY A SIKH don't forget. Someone in our VERY OWN community wanted to talk about various issues we face and we have to allow that. The only real problem was she set the play in a Gurdwara without any actual given reason for it, and Sikhs were RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST about it and not support it. You are also free to call the author a traitor, but violence is out of the question.

The violating of the Gurdwara for cheap publicity by Gurpreet Bhatti was much worse. A Sikh ?.....I think she is more westernised and living by western values than Sikh values. The majority of the British public were with her. We do not face the issues she showed in her play; that was just a pathetic attempt to cause controversy and make her name.

As for Southall. A white person may not want to LIVE there, but would they ever say they feel totally unwelcome? I don't think so. Tommy Robinson has gone on record saying that even though Southall is basically a Sikh town, it's just as friendly as a white area.

Why would white people who have been living in an area for generations move out ? It's not a decision that is taken lightly.

Tommy Robinson has already admitted that classic EDL chants like 'WHO THE EFF IS ALLAH' are probably not the best way to win support, but fact of the matter is Islamists have said and done far worse. Free speech isn't always pretty and nobody said it was, but it is the best way to run the world. The people (no matter who/what they are) in the EDL are ANGRY at the injustice taking place in England, and how their country and future is changing for the worse. PROTESTING with the EDL is the best possible outlet for that anger, far better than random people turning to riots and blind violence like Anders Breivik did in Norway.

The EDL chants are directed against a religion......against ALL Muslims. It shows that this goes beyond just being against Islamists and is why Sikhs should have nothing to do with it. Again, it is inaction by the government that they haven't arrested Islamists making provocative chants.

I disagree, Halal SHOULD be banned.

Muslims had their chance to make it work and they clearly failed us all. Halal should CONTINUE to be banned until they can prove beyond doubt that it will never infringe on the rights of non-Muslims in Britain (95% of the country) ever again.

As a Sikh I will FOREVER be appalled by Halal. As a British person I will FOREVER be appalled by Halal. Halal goes against British views on Animal Welfare, so the time when Halal will be truly acceptable is probably never.

The reason people are being force-fed Halal is not because of Muslims, it is because of retailers who put profit and business efficiency before everything else. Separating Halal and non-Halal is time consuming for them, it's easier to just have Halal. The government needs to make them separate the two and give people the right NOT to eat Halal.

The whole meat industry is cruel and exploits animals living in horrible, cramped conditions before killing them.

The 'Azaan', the Muslim call to prayer should ALSO be banned. Just like it was banned in the Sikh Empire.

WHY should anyone have to hear for miles around AND in their homes, some guy on a loudspeaker chant about how amazing Islam and Muhammad is? How much you suck for being an unbeliever?

WHAT would happen if a Gurdwara started using loudspeakers to blast to the world how amazing the Guru's, the Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Waheguru are? Would Muslims appreciate that? Would anyone actually WANT that?

WHAT would happen if someone was to use loudspeakers at their house and blast to the world how much better they are than everyone else? They'd be arrested .

If this is happening then it needs to stop.

"NOW is the time for the country to decide. Do we want Britain-istan. Or do we want Great Britain? YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH. We either have to give Muslims everything they want, or 'limit' them by giving them the SAME rights as the other 95% of this country. There is no halfway point."

Yes, everyone should have the same rights under the law.