Gay Marriage Legalized In California- How Should Sikhs Feel About This?

[POODNA]

Yes bro I agree with you in the sense that heterosexuality is kaam at the end of the day. But when you take pre-marital sex, adultery and promiscuity out, with a deviation to god, gristi jeaven between husband & wife is what Guru Ji has advocated. Indeed 9 out of 10 of our Guru's lived a married life (other than Guru Har Krishan who passed away aged 8). Yes sex is integral to procreation, but there is much more it than just that. I suggest you read the 4 lavh's read in an Anand Karaj.

Bhul chug maaf

Does Satguru say heterosexuals can do as they please after Anand Karaj or has Satguru instructed Sikh married couples conduct? Heterosexuality and homosexuality are both rejected in Sikhi. You don't need to be heterosexual to have your own kids or to even live a householders lifestyle. There are many dangers to the body for heterosexuals and homosexuals. Both think in the same manner and are wishing for the same excitement, but one is permitted by society and the other is restricted by man made laws.

I agree that Anand Karaj is for man and woman only as Satguru instructed us and this cannot be changed. But being a heterosexual is just much of a sin as being homosexual. Satguru says to rise above both lower energies. If heterosexuals were so righteous they would see that Raam exist in all and adopt a child from a poor country. But heterosexuals need a kid that looks like them, with their DNA, with their features and skin color. Who will carry on our family name............an adopted child.....never he is not one of us. What if the adopted child does not love me as much, where will I get my moh from and who will fill the empty hole in my life.... Religion should not be used to mask either sides failings.

Public safety is the only reason why homosexuals should not be allowed to be married in front of the secular court. But life and liberty over powers the right of public safety as there is a low risk on public safety. If people are worried about public safety around health care they should really be advocating to banning smoking and other highly addictive substance all together. Many establishments are started off the bases of heterosexuality and they have a huge negative impact on society. Yet they are openly promoted by all sources of media and institutions.

Christian's really have a problem with homosexuality because secular regulations and policies are not so secular as they start off with God.

[gmb_sim]

I don't understand how this has become an issue for debate ?

If we were having this discussion 10 years ago we would have all agreed that homosexuality is a sin. But today due to the western world accepting homosexuals people find it a means by which we must change our religious values in order to be harmonious with society.

[aman12]

What I don't understand is why are we running to protects the 'rights' of homosexuals.

Because Guru Sahibs told us to recognise the whole human race as one. And since homosexuals are humans too, it's only right that they get the same rights as every other human beings.

Sikhs are to stand up for the oppressed regardless of how different their views might be in comparison to Sikhi, that's what makes Khalsa so unique. It's the ability to recognise everyone as one, keep sikhi rehat and at the same time fight for the rights of people who might be the furthest away from sikhi and/or akal purakh.

And unlike murderers, rapists and molester a gay person isn't taking someone's life or causing them a lifetime of pain. According to Sikhi the actions of a gay person are pushing them further into kaam and thus are pushing them away from realising akal purakh. But that is between the person and akal purakh, which we cannot control or influence as not standing up for them isn't going to stop them from being gay. But choosing not to stand up for a community because their lifestyle varies from ours by a great deal is certainly going to make realising akal purakh a little bit harder for us.

[POODNA]

You have entirely missed the point. And if you realise homosexuality is a manmath behaviour and still feel an impulsion to protect the 'right's' of people to practice this behaviour then your seriously confused. Yes Guru Sahib taught us to treat the human race as one but this has nothing to do with 'human race'. This is a behaviour that is not only out of line with Sikhi, but a hinderemce to salvation. There should be no obligation to protect the 'right's' of people to practice it. Would yoi start protecting the 'rights' of alcoholics to drink more alcohol or encourage/help them in quiting drinking? Our actions MUST be consistent with our parchar.

Nanak naam chardi kala, tere bhane sarbat da bhala.

[scali]

Rapist, murderers,molesters etc are imposing their will on the other person. The biggest gift GOD gave to any being is their free will. If people stop imposing their wills on other people gay issue, meat issue (animals have free will too) have only one answer , mind you own business and if two people want to join in whatever its their free will. Guru Nanak refused to wear janeau. Guru Teg Bhadur ji gave his life for janeau, rights of hindus. Even though this whole life drama is an illusion they biggest lesson is uncondition, non jugmental , non condemning love for all.

[POODNA]

You have entirely missed the point. And if you realise homosexuality is a manmath behaviour and still feel an impulsion to protect the 'right's' of people to practice this behaviour then your seriously confused. Yes Guru Sahib taught us to treat the human race as one but this has nothing to do with 'human race'. This is a behaviour that is not only out of line with Sikhi, but a hinderemce to salvation. There should be no obligation to protect the 'right's' of people to practice it. Would you start protecting the 'rights' of alcoholics to drink more alcohol or encourage/help them in quiting drinking? Our actions MUST be consistent with our parchar.

Nanak naam chardi kala, tere bhane sarbat da bhala.

[N30S1NGH]

Both Hetro and Homosexuals are affected by kaam, krodh, lob, moh, ahankar.. Whoever has conquered those are jivan mukht..relationship preference based on individual give and take karma, has nothing to do with it..if that was case then there would be pre requisite of someone being gristhi or behingum in order to be liberated.

[POODNA]

Yes Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji protected the rights of Hindus to practice their dharam, hence the term 'dharam di chadar'. But protecting the rights of homosexuals is equivalent to 'shaitan di chadar'. There is a major difference in protecting the rights of someone practicing their faith or indulging in manmath behaviour. I have already used the alcohol analogy. Would 'Sikh's' protect the right of alcoholics drinking more alcohol or give them a helping hand?

Rapist, murderers,molesters etc are imposing their will on the other person. The biggest gift GOD gave to any being is their free will. If people stop imposing their wills on other people gay issue, meat issue (animals have free will too) have only one answer , mind you own business and if two people want to join in whatever its their free will. Guru Nanak refused to wear janeau. Guru Teg Bhadur ji gave his life for janeau, rights of hindus. Even though this whole life drama is an illusion they biggest lesson is uncondition, non jugmental , non condemning love for all.

Yes Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji protected the rights of Hindus to practice their dharam, hence the term 'dharam di chadar'. But protecting the rights of homosexuals is equivalent to 'shaitan di chadar'. There is a major difference in protecting the rights of someone practicing their faith or indulging in manmath behaviour. I have already used the alcohol analogy. Would 'Sikh's' protect the right of alcoholics drinking more alcohol or give them a helping hand?

Rapist, murderers,molesters etc are imposing their will on the other person. The biggest gift GOD gave to any being is their free will. If people stop imposing their wills on other people gay issue, meat issue (animals have free will too) have only one answer , mind you own business and if two people want to join in whatever its their free will. Guru Nanak refused to wear janeau. Guru Teg Bhadur ji gave his life for janeau, rights of hindus. Even though this whole life drama is an illusion they biggest lesson is uncondition, non jugmental , non condemning love for all.

[N30S1NGH]

There is no such thing as shaitan concept in sikhi as there is no dualism as such. This term is invented by sikhs who is more influenced by protestant Anglican Christianism than gurmat advait sidhant.

[scali]

Gay or straight is all a lifes drama. When we get tired of all dramas we choose GOD naam simran. Nothing is outside of GOD it contains everything. GOD loves all regardless and to reach him the criteria as Guru Godind Singh says in sawiyas "JIn prem kiyo tin he prabh payo"