Ramadan

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ਚੌਪਈ

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ਠੰਡੇ ਪਾਣੀ ਜੋ ਨਹੀਂ ਨਹਾਵੈ

If he does not take bath in cold water,

ਬਿਨ ਜਪੁ ਪੜ੍ਹ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰ੍ਰਸ਼ਾਦਿ ਜੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ (੨੫)

And without reading Jap Ji Sahib, takes his food,

ਬਿਨ ਰਹਿਰਾਸ ਸੰਧਿਆ ਜੋ ਖੋਵੈ

Without saying Rehras, passes the evening,

ਕੀਰਤਨ ਪੜ੍ਹ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਬਿਨ ਰੈਣ ਜੋ ਸੋਵੇ ॥ (੨੬)

Without reciting Kirtan (Sohila) goes to sleep,

ਚੁਗਲੀ ਕਰ ਜੋ ਕਰਜ ਬਿਗਾਰੈ ॥

Through slander he conducts his affairs,

ਧ੍ਰ੍ਰਿਗ ਤਸਿ ਜਨਮ ਜੋ ਧਰਮ ਬਸਿਾਰੈ ॥ (੨੭)

Cursed is his birth if he forgets the righteousness.

More from tankanahma

[POODNA]

Fasting is utter pakhand. True rightousness is for life, not just a month.

[N30S1NGH]

ਦੋਹਰਾ

Dohira

ਨੰਦ ਲਾਲ ਤੁਮ ਬਚਨ ਸੁਣਹੁ ਸਿਖ ਕਰਮ ਹੈ ਏੇਹਿ

Nand Lal, listen to this speech, the Sikh conduct is this,

ਨਾਮੁ ਦਾਨੁ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਬਿਨ ਕਰੇ ਨਾ ਅੰਨ ਸਿਉੁਂ ਨਹੁ ॥ (੨)

Without the celestial name, charity and bathing, a Sikh should not savour food.

This is from tankanahama.

Yes no dispute regarding this rehat, bhai sahib ji never suggested to fast either. It's a very slippery slope. Singh559 posted gurbani tuk in the earlier page which gives cautionary warning to those who wrap their head around fasting and other rituals and idolize them to the point where it falls into starving/fasting and falls into dogmatic notions. Bhai nand lal ji tankhanama and gurbani quote are not contradictory but updesh at different stages just like muslim- according to gurbani updesh- sikhs also have shariat, tariqat, marfat and hakikat levels or stages (also known as dharam, gian, saram, karam, sachkhand - stages in anand karaj and among many indictions of stages in gurbani). But unfortunately, (takhanama, gurbani tuk) been made out to be or appear to be two clashing points on a clash course and that is done when we don't look at things from context of stages if thats the way it is then without question for me atleast- gurbani mahavak takes precedence over it as gurbani gives tat nichor(hakikat/essence) of everything- shariat, tariqat and marfat all put together.!!!

Here is gurbani mahavak again:

ਤੀਰਥ ਵਰਤ ਸੁਚਿ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਰਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਨਹੀ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Pilgrimages, fasts, purification and self-discipline are of no use, nor are rituals, religious ceremonies or empty worship.

ਨਾਨਕ ਭਾਇ ਭਗਤਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਵਿਆਪੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

O Nanak, emancipation comes only by loving devotional worship; through duality, people are engrossed in duality. ||2||

I guess million dollar question should be - What constitutes as fast? It's slipperly slope when mind/body is conditioned over a period of time by using hatt/force to perform certain principle by force despite of one is naturally hungry/body naturally needs food/fuel then its a fast with duality gurbani is talking about. The key word here is despite of one body is naturally hungry. We are talking about beginner, medium, intermediate stages here not advance stages ajapa Jaap, dasam dvar or nirvakalap samadhi...This discussion of neither fasting or not fasting does not apply to them. We are having good vichar here, i learned one view point or way of looking at from johnny earlier today that one didn't eat before nitneem by looking at some of jevan of puratan singhs in the past. Thats a valid way of looking at it, one of way looking at it, but overall we have to look at the topic from all angles regarding a topic if we wish to talk about it in its totality.

[Jonny101]

I think waiting for 20-25 minutes to eat until after you finish your morning nitnem hardly qualifies for a fast. Fast is for hours and even days, a few minutes is not a fast. If today's Sikhs are so hungry that they cannot even wait for a mere 25 minutes until after Nitnem then what more can be said about our Panth's dilapidated state.

[N30S1NGH]

I think waiting for 20-25 minutes to eat until after you finish your morning nitnem hardly qualifies for a fast. Fast is for hours and even days, a few minutes is not a fast. If today's Sikhs are so hungry that they cannot even wait for a mere 25 minutes until after Nitnem then what more can be said about our Panth's decapitated state.

Fully agree on 25 mins hardly is considered warm up let alone fasting

[ASinghKhalsa]

What a guy! Guru Govind Singh ji gave us rehit and this guy wants to break it. Why wud u wana break rehit to help do paath, what use is such paath wen it is dun without rehat (ie food before nitnem)?? Guru knows more than a sikh! the BHOOKE BHAGAT NA KEEJAI pangti cannot be used here. Thats lyk using RAJ RAJ BHOJAN KHAAVAHU MERE BHAI for pizza! wen maharaj says eat less.

RAINI REHE SOI SIKH MERA

[jasdeepsingh2k125]

Fully agree on 25 mins hardly is considered warm up let alone fasting

nitnem takes 1 hour 40 mins...atleast for me

[Jonny101]

nitnem takes 1 hour 40 mins...atleast for me

For 5 morning Banis? you need to increase your speed. Takes me about half hour.

[TejiKaur]

gurfateh g i noticed something there are so many questions here that would be answered just by consulting gurbani

ask sant kabeer ji who talks about this directly

Alhu ek masīṯ basaṯ hai avar mulakẖ kis kerā.

If the Lord Allah lives only in the mosque, then to whom does the rest of the world belong?

Hinḏū mūraṯ nām nivāsī ḏuh mėh ṯaṯ na herā. ||1||

According to the Hindus, the Lord's Name abides in the idol, but there is no truth in either of these claims. ||1||

Alah rām jīva▫o ṯere nā▫ī.

Keval nām japahu re parānī ṯab hī nihcẖai ṯarnā. ||6||2||

Chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortals, and you shall surely be carried across. ||6||2||

O Allah, O Raam, I live by Your Name.

Ŧū kar mihrāmaṯ sā▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Please show mercy to me, O Master. ||1||Pause||

Ḏakẖan ḏes harī kā bāsā pacẖẖim alah mukāmā.

(people say) The God of the Hindus lives in the southern lands, and the God of the Muslims lives in the west.

Ḏil mėh kẖoj ḏilai ḏil kẖojahu ehī ṯẖa▫ur mukāmā. ||2||

So search in your heart - look deep into your heart of hearts; this is the home and the place where God lives. ||2||

Barahman gi▫ās karahi cẖa▫ubīsā kājī mah ramjānā.

The Brahmins observe twenty-four fasts during the year, and the Muslims fast during the month of Ramadaan.

Gi▫ārėh mās pās kai rākẖe ekai māhi niḏẖānā. ||3||

The Muslims set aside eleven months, and claim that the treasure is only in the one month. ||3||

Kahā udīse majan kī▫ā ki▫ā masīṯ sir nāʼn▫eʼn.

What is the use of bathing at Orissa? Why do the Muslims bow their heads in the mosque?

Ḏil mėh kapat nivāj gujārai ki▫ā haj kābai jāʼn▫eʼn. ||4||

If someone has deception in his heart, what good is it for him to utter prayers? And what good is it for him to go on pilgrimage to Mecca? ||4||

Ėṯe a▫uraṯ marḏā sāje e sabẖ rūp ṯumĥāre.

You fashioned all these men and women, Lord. All these are Your Forms.

Kabīr pūngrā rām alah kā sabẖ gur pīr hamāre. ||5||

Kabeer is the child of God, Allah, Raam. All the Gurus and prophets are mine. ||5||

Kahaṯ Kabīr sunhu nar narvai parahu ek kī sarnā.

Says Kabeer, listen, O men and women: seek the Sanctuary of the One.

Keval nām japahu re parānī ṯab hī nihcẖai ṯarnā. ||6||2||

Chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortals, and you shall surely be carried across. ||6||2||

wahgroooo look at those strong words not a sense of duality here at all wahgroo wahgroo wahgroo dhan wahgrooo but if thats not enough to convince you of the vishaal path our Guru Sahibaan gave us read this

varaṯ na raha▫o na mah ramḏānā.

I do not keep fasts, nor do I observe the month of Ramadaan.

Ŧis sevī jo rakẖai niḏānā. ||1||

I serve only the One, who will protect me in the end. ||1||

just go to srigranth.org and search the word fast why debate gurmat like this when guru sahib has a clear answer

[jasdeepsingh2k125]

For 5 morning Banis? you need to increase your speed. Takes me about half hour.

ya...but i try to do in a musical tone