Spiritual Without Being Sikh.....

[Guest Bongo bongo land]

Hello

So I was raised as a Sikh...I'm male in my early 30's...and during my life I've come to my own conclusions about religion and spirituality....and I am no longer religious....but am very spiritual.....having come to that age when things like marriage become more of an issue.....having struggled to meet any Sikh girls thus far...with that spiritual side without being meshed into religion....I wondered if anyone here believed the are similar like minded people out there..or whether I should just stop looking.

I don't see myself settling down with someone who has opposing views as I do....so it would be nice to know if these people who are like me, do exist....I'm not asking for phone numbers of email addresses....just confirmation they do or don't exist....either way.... Thanks

[ModNote] This is approved because you clarified you do NOT want any personal contact information. Just to clarify to the rest of the Sangat, it is not allowed to ask or give personal contact information and this is not a dating/matching website. Keep it Sikhi related.

[ekgurjaskhalsa]

As clarified, this is not matrimonial site and question like this does not fit into this site

But I know many people who say that they are not religious but are spiritual...

So, the answer would be yes you can find many girls who will be spiritual but does not follow Sikhi like keeping hair etc....

[N30S1NGH]

Look into 3HO group of sikhi they somewhat got both (they do have religious appearance with more of spiritual slate) .. all though just heads up before hand they come with bit of hocus pocus baggage but that's the closest you will find what you looking for

[MKaur89]

What does it actually mean to be spiritual but not 'religious'? I've never really understood.

[TheFancyBanana]

What does it actually mean to be spiritual but not 'religious'? I've never really understood.

I think they want to "feel" God, without following a certain religion. So just going with the flow and doing their own thing.

[N30S1NGH]

From general context i think what 'Being spiritual not religious' means is that person adhering to actual essence - universal teaching such as (being good human being, not harm yourself and others, be compassionate and help others, make conscious decisions based on the real self not egoistic mind, love life, love energy/god, creation and meditate) person adhering to universal teaching which comes as 2nd human nature than adhering to religious rituals/beliefs which can be and have easily turned into dogma and once its turned into dogma- zealots and fascism/fascist are born. I think spirituality also means believe in own's experience (actually walking the path and expereincing things yourself through meditation) than believing in somebody else experience.

From Sikhi philosophy context, dharam and spirituality are one. However, it may not appear so as many sikhs wrap their head around very valid rituals..however turn them into dogma or dogmatic notions for eg- looking at clock when one is doing the nitneem/how fast it can be wrapped up instead of connecting to gurbani flow then and slowly connect to gurbani flow every day/every moment.

Being sikh spiritual would be after taking amrit- one who has taken deep dive in gurbani totally inside one self and living gurbani every moment and religious person would be confining guru sahib just like muslims into panj nawaza, performing panj nawaza as duty be done with it do whatever afterwards, rather than purifying the mind (following suanan, manan, nidashan sidhant in japji sahib).

An example of sikh religious and sikh spiritual/gyan i can think of an sakhi of bhramgyani how once interrupted an sikh who was influenced by dogma who reciting japji sahib so fast to the point where each word being recited was being over lapped into each other, one cannot undestand let alone comprehend. gyani ji sat him down held his hand- gyani ji just said ikongkar and with help of bhramgyan, this newly religious men- they both went in transcendental meditation for hours and came back.

Religious person confines guru sahib into gurdwara only whereas gyani/spiritual person see guru maharaj as ikongkar in all three forms as guru maharaj clearly said (to bhai nand lal) i have three saroops- sargun(creator is in creation), nirgun and shabad yet one (ikongkar)..Religious person, limit meaning of gurmukh (based on their own interpertation) , rest of all manmukhs deserve hell rather beleive in broader defination of gurmukh one who has conquered 5 chors (kaam, krodh, lob, moh, ahankar) and rest of all of us including amrit dharis who have not conquered 5 chors are manmukhs.

I won't say much as it may offend others but last thing i would say- just do sehaj patt of japji sahib and sri akaal ustat sahib and go deep into it, it will destroy all the dogmatic notions/road blocks one has created for themselves..i can say after reading and contemplating on japji sahib and sri akaal ustat...all my other pre conceived notions are cleared.

Also in soraj parkash granth there is parsang but once - sikhs did benti to sri guru gobind singh ji by saying- we have been reciting gurbani every day for long hours- how come its not bringing change compare to other singhs.

Guru maharaj addresses to sangat. Gurbani is like a medicine. Patient need to take medicine inside before it could do its effect. Those who have complaints blame yourself because you are actually not taking gurbani as medicine inside but rather doing gargles of medicine and spiting out. Hence, having no effect.!!

Gurbani is like liquid medicine, it will only take effect when patient takes mediciation fully inside not just gargle the medicine and spit it out.

We have moral duty to discourage that kind of religious dogmatic mindset or mentality crept into our panth. Path of Sikhi is double edge sword, very very slipperly slope and have many land marks, if landmarks are not perceived in right manner or in contex of development stages that could itself become a road block, anything and everything could be road block. Basically, flow of human consciousness connected with gurbani in sikhi should be spontaneous and natural and fluid as very nature of gurbani

In layman terms, be honest with yourself.. if you cannot witness your human consciousness progressing- diving in dephtness of gurbani and start having sat gun attributes listed above naturally and naturally rising above from panj chor while doing nitnem or following any maryada for that matter than there is a big problem.... not with the ritual itself but with your perception itself while you are engaging in maryada..there is a big problem..get up from asan, drop everything (i meant not literally) yeah drop everything, go humbly to dhan dhan dhan sri guru granth sahib to ardas and take hukamnama, if its meant to be- guru maharaj himself will destroy all the doubts inside you, free you from shackles from idiolized form of shariat one themselves are created and is now an trap..!!

[Guest mona sikh]

Quite clear in SGGS Ji without a Guru you will not be saved in this dunia and the next. If you do not adhere to the scriptures of Sikhism then your soul is lost to wonder birth and death cycles until you are given the chance of being human again and coming in contact with sikhi.

There are many so called spiritual people who were born Sikhs never understood Sikhism so drank and drugged and wasted their lives away chasing sex and money only to later discover their great gamble and folly.

Never trade your Sikhi with other paths that do not offer your soul a way out of this life.

[savinderpalsingh]

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa!!WaheguruJiKiFateh!!

without Guru , the one who chants lords name is considered thief in that Almightys court

[Guest Guest]

HelloSo I was raised as a Sikh...I'm male in my early 30's...and during my life I've come to my own conclusions about religion and spirituality....and I am no longer religious....but am very spiritual.....having come to that age when things like marriage become more of an issue.....having struggled to meet any Sikh girls thus far...with that spiritual side without being meshed into religion....I wondered if anyone here believed the are similar like minded people out there..or whether I should just stop looking.I don't see myself settling down with someone who has opposing views as I do....so it would be nice to know if these people who are like me, do exist....I'm not asking for phone numbers of email addresses....just confirmation they do or don't exist....either way.... Thanks [ModNote] This is approved because you clarified you do NOT want any personal contact information. Just to clarify to the rest of the Sangat, it is not allowed to ask or give personal contact information and this is not a dating/matching website. Keep it Sikhi related.

If you are spiritual then why do you judge people.

An enlightened soul knows that God is present in all.

Every step or move we make is due to Divine will.

So don't complicate things, go with basic male instinct or requirement.

[kullykhalsa]

couple of the above points are false, one poster above suggest only sikhi will get you out of this dunia (strange that we had muslim/hindu saints contribute to bani but you feel that you can dismiss their religion)

OP if you prefer to work on spirtuality than work on it, i myself am a sikh and if you read bani thats essentially what it says, your actions will be those of a sikh even if you dont think they are! Find whatever route works for your soul that makes sense to you never let another dictate the terms of your life!