Baba Deep Singh Ji !

[Guest Missionary Hater]

Missionaries are adamant that it did not happen as it is not "logical"

These manmukh missionaries believe logic dictates all. Might as well change Gurmat Gian Missionary College name to Scientology College of Ludhiana.

Just my 2 cents.

[Deletedkp]

The question is why don't we see these miracles now? It should be far easier to report in the modern age as mobile media recorders are so highly available.

[Guest _MoonSplitIn2_VIRGIN]

Also isn't it strange that the Guru's always rejected doing miracles themselves but people are so desparate to foist miracles upon them

[Kalsingh]

People do see and experience them. But the Saints do not just so anyone for the sake of it, they use their abilities to put people on the right path.

[Deletedkp]

It goes down to people interpretation of these miracles. And majority of the time it's something the individual has heard from others.

Reading through the posts people have mentioned Muslim historians detailing the accounts but how accurate are these accounts, is this a metaphor or do we need to take it literally.

There are images and accounts of Saladin (during crusades) fighting with his head decapitated. Was Saladin a Saint? Or is it a Metaphor, to mean something else.

[Sikh1313]

I think it comes down to faith. People limit the extent of god's miracles to what they think is possible. In benti Chaupai, Guru Gobinid Singh Sahib Ji says taa kaa moorh oochrut bhida, ja ko bhiv na pavat baida (Only a fool can discuss your bound, Your limits even the Vedas do not know)

If we don't even know the limits and bounds of god, how can we question his miracles or the extraordinary things he is capable of?

Personally, I think it was 110% possible for Baba Deep Singh Ji to fight without his head and the rock at Panja Sahib is Guru Nanak Dev Ji's handprints. Anything is possible with a little faith!

(Benti Chaupai, skip to 0:36)

[N30S1NGH]

Baba Deep Singh Ji's head did come off and he kept on fighting, this I believe is due to the amount of Parth and Simran done by Baba Ji. I also think that it was written by the Mughals of the time that this happened. Sceptical people will question these Sakhis, as they have no belief. The Bani and Parth given to us was give by our Gurus, which was straight from Waheguru. Entlightend souls such as Baba Deep Singh Ji would sing and recite Bani for hours and hours, this is where the power comes from to have something like you head taken off your body and you still alive.

Ignore these people who question it. Have faith in Waheguru

Phul Chuf Maff

Great post bro that should satisfy them but if they want more depth/power into deep layers of gurbani gyan/gyan of shabad and overall stage of enlightened soul-

Based on my research and sangat of mahapursh, what happens is when bhramgyani (self realized soul) body gets tortured- they actually don't feel anything they are bedeh mukht- liberated and separated from body- 5 senses (touch, sight, feel, hear, taste) their consciousness is merged into supreme consciousness - vahiguroo, easier way to get slightest idea so we can somewhat relate, when we are in deep sleep- one can slap us, spit on us, blow trumphet near our ears, pinch us etc nothing happens to our deep sleep state, we are like rock solid in deep sleep sleeping.. how we are all oblivious in that state, now thats normal deep sleep if in normal deep sleep we are so oblivious of surronding imagine what enlighten state might be in inside deep non transcendental meditation.

Show the skeptic this video of buddhist monk. he may not at same bhramgyani avastha as baba deep singh maharaj but imagine if buddhist monk can peacefully in non transcendental meditation posture passes away without any movement/pain while being burned alive- why cannot bhramgyani - baba deep singh maharaj fight with his head off without feeling any pain.!!!..i meant i know it may seem i am comparing apples and oranges here but i am just posting the video below to break people scientific confined skeptical logic..they cannot explain this video even if they want to..!!..this is where divinity power starts where all logic all fails..!!

[AmanSingh1867]

Missionaries are adamant that it did not happen as it is not "logical"

These manmukh missionaries believe logic dictates all. Might as well change Gurmat Gian Missionary College name to Scientology College of Ludhiana.

Just my 2 cents.

Logic does dictate all. Magic tricks, miracles, supernatural powers etc... those were all rejected by the Gurus and are against Nanakian philosophy. It is what makes Sikhi so attractive for me. Guru Nanak outright refused all forms of miracles, yet we are supposed to believe that Baba Deep Singh Ji had his head completely cut off and remained alive?

Sikhi demands we use our powers of reason and logic in everyday life, it is not a faith that promotes superstition. I know it will get me heat, but to the OP, I do not believe this story one bit. I do think that Baba Deep Singh Ji had a wound in his neck, most likely very deep, but I reject the notion that his entire head came off.

[Kalsingh]

Logic does dictate all. Magic tricks, miracles, supernatural powers etc... those were all rejected by the Gurus and are against Nanakian philosophy. It is what makes Sikhi so attractive for me. Guru Nanak outright refused all forms of miracles, yet we are supposed to believe that Baba Deep Singh Ji had his head completely cut off and remained alive?

Sikhi demands we use our powers of reason and logic in everyday life, it is not a faith that promotes superstition. I know it will get me heat, but to the OP, I do not believe this story one bit. I do think that Baba Deep Singh Ji had a wound in his neck, most likely very deep, but I reject the notion that his entire head came off.

Maharaj was against the use of siddhis for one's own gain and against them as a way of measuring how spiritual one has become. But in terms of Siddhis existing, Sikhi acknowledges them 100 per cent and sakhis of Maharaj themselves using them are widespread in Sikh history. Bani is itself full of references about Siddhis and that they come to the Gurmukhs.

'Sikhi demand we use our powers of reason and logic in everyday life'. An atheist would tell you that you are not using your powers of reason and logic in everyday life as you are a theist. Something to think about brother.

[AmanSingh1867]

Maharaj was against the use of siddhis for one's own gain and against them as a way of measuring how spiritual one has become. But in terms of Siddhis existing, Sikhi acknowledges them 100 per cent and sakhis of Maharaj themselves using them are widespread in Sikh history. Bani is itself full of references about Siddhis and that they come to the Gurmukhs.

'Sikhi demand we use our powers of reason and logic in everyday life'. An atheist would tell you that you are not using your powers of reason and logic in everyday life as you are a theist. Something to think about brother.

About the bold part veer ji, I have not found this to be true. A great many of my friends are Atheist, not one has ever said anything bad about Sikhi, most have the utmost respect for it. I also don't feel like the term "theist" applies to a Sikh, "Sikhi" isn't really a theistic religion, that is an Abrahamic term, we shouldn't try to twist around our faith to fit into pre-designed western boxes and labels.

Waheguru is a part of His creation, we are called upon to recognize his light in our fellow man, according to Guru Nanak, God is not in some far off place, He resides in each and every heart. This belief is the foundation for other Sikh beliefs like respect for all humanity, equality of the sexes, no discrimination based on color, caste, race, religion etc... that is logical, we should also remember that Guru Granth Sahib Ji isn't just for Sikhs, anyone from any faith or lack of faith can apply it's teachings to their life, I have a Muslim friend who reads it from time to time, he doesn't feel like it conflicts with his religion, that is because the teachings of Guru Ji emphasize this life, the importance of doing good while you are still here, it talks very little about the afterlife. I went through my own period of questioning/rebelling, my family is kind of cultural, but everything came into place after I started to read Guru Granth Sahib Ji, if I could find some fault with it, I would have a long time ago, but it is perfect, and is for everyone.

Kind of off-topic, but yeah, no Atheist has ever told me that the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj are "illogical". Sikhi is a rational religion