Christian Missionaries Targeting The Sikh Community

[sat]

sat bro, so you are doing nothing outside the parameters of your own family.

Man up and say you dont do anything. dont give me that you cant do anything excuse. you dont have the resources to help ONE sikh in india? at the current exchange rate? Do me a favour geezer.

dont take this personally either (although you already have) i ask this question to everyone who bleats, " our leaders dont do nothing" "our gurdwara committtees are corrupt" .

as mahatma gandhi said "be the change you want to see in the world".

our leaders are rubbish, but what is our youth?

Firstly i am not a youth, secondly will you pay my bills etc, if i am in my villiage doing parchar, its easy to say to others, if i was the jathedar of a takht or had authority/wealth then i would, also i put the same question to you but you have not replied,

in another post about basics to sikhi street parchar you say quote

"This is a great place to start, those people who already have a foot in the door so to speak. I would love to see this in sikh majority areas in UK, ie soho rd, dudley rd wolves, coventry rd small heath,broadway southall."

Why are you not doing street parcharak on your door step but you are asking others to man up and go to india :lol2:

As for mahatma gandhi was he not the same person who said that Guru Gobing Singh ji was a misguided desh bhagat and you a sikh are quoting him who sold Bhagat Singh ji and others to be hanged and who also along with nehru double crossed the sikhs . :no:

[SikhKosh]

^ This thread is the classic example of why we are failing. Every thread about Panthic Masle gets hijacked and becomes the hub for name calling, leg pulling etc.

Something needs to be done about the disunity. Anti Panthic forces have a good time watching the Sikh brothers fight and rip each others Dastara off.

[sat]

^ This thread is the classic example of why we are failing. Every thread about Panthic Masle gets hijacked and becomes the hub for name calling, leg pulling etc.

Something needs to be done about the disunity.

i agree brother and apologise sincerely but the wind up kids have come back and lets not over exaggerate no one is ripping any ones Dastar off, please dont make mountains out of mole hills, or light fires. :smile2:

I did apologise but your edit has shown you are going on a bit ott.

[isingh1699]

Sat Veerji and Chatanga Veerji can u add your support to the fund raising idea that we SikhSangat members can potentially raise $1million dollars plus via in order to fund the PURE Punjab Underprivileged Rural Empowerment Program to get an education for poor innocent Sikh children.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72224-sikh-body-blames-former-dgp-of-conversion/page-5

http://focuspunjab.org/pure.html

[sat]

i will gladly offer my support as i already do what i can where i can, what little i can in my circumstances.

[SikhKosh]

Sat veer, the Dastara part was not about this thread but disunity in general.

Many Sikhs in Punjab don't even know the basics of Sikhi, we need to make leaflets and distribute them in villages. Leaflets such as Guru in Sikhi (making them aware against Dehdhari Gurudom), Women and Sikhi, Alcohol/Drugs and Sikhi (with scientific proofs too) Caste and Sikhi, Idol Worship and Sikhi, etc as you see just the basics but well argumented, short & to the point with Gurbani quotes and examples from everyday life to speak directly to the readers.

[isingh1699]

i will gladly offer my support as i already do what i can where i can, what little i can in my circumstances.

Thanks Sat Veerji ... all of us can contribute even if we don't have any money. Time is all we need to donate if we are low on finances. Of course we need to be strong in our own individual lives as well to contribute more effectively to the Modern Day Dharam Yudh against drugs, alcohol, biraderi, abortion and illiteracy within our Qaum. But if an Amritdhari brother such as yourself even acts as a mentor to young sehajdhari youth, then having been there yourself, you can make a massive difference in young lives. You and chatanga both are two Amritdhari Gursikhs that the rest of us Sangat on the forum admire and respect, so united we stand and divided we fall as SikhKosh Veerji rightly pointed out.

[isingh1699]

the amount of times our Sikhs tell non-Sikhs about the so-called Hindu Muslim Bhagats in Guru Granth Sahib makes me cringe.

The Christian missionaries are targetting many Sikhs, churches have come up in many villages and their numbers tripled in a decade. A Christian Pastor called Harbhajan Deol openly insulted our Gurus and we could do nothing. He forcibly converted 2800 Sikhs in his village and we couldn't act on it?

Its funny, Christian missionaries couldn't fulfil their agenda during the British Empire but they're growinly rapidly under the so called 'Panthic Sarkar'.

As usual SikhKosh Veerji you are totally 100% correct. If economic migrants are needed for the agricultural sector then the least we have to do is provide information to them about Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj and Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji who were both from Bihar too as well as Gutka Sahibs in their own dialects. That evil Jatt Christian Zamindar Harry Deol forcibly converted all the poor Sikhs in his village via economic blackmail and SGPC heavweights stood back and let him get away with it as gay marriages and Triya Charitar were more pressing concerns to them. After all if they were happy Muhammad Izhar Alam converting thousands of poor Sikh farmers to Islam, then that rich Christian farmer Deol had rights to convert poor Sikhs too!

Something needs to be done about the disunity.

Anti Panthic forces have a good time watching the Sikh brothers fight and rip each others Dastara off.

You said it Veerji! If people eat meat or don't, if people have one tribe or another, if they believe in miracles or don't, if they respect AKJ or DDT or Nirmalas or Missionaries or Nihangs, are sehajdhari, kesdhari or Amritdhari ... the bottom line is all Sikhs of all backgrounds get killed in Genocide aimed at Sikhs as we saw in Pakistan 1947 and the ten or so years from 1984.

Many Sikhs in Punjab don't even know the basics of Sikhi, we need to make leaflets and distribute them in villages. Leaflets such as Guru in Sikhi (making them aware against Dehdhari Gurudom), Women and Sikhi, Alcohol/Drugs and Sikhi (with scientific proofs too) Caste and Sikhi, Idol Worship and Sikhi, etc as you see just the basics but well argumented, short & to the point with Gurbani quotes and examples from everyday life to speak directly to the readers.

Totally Veerji and Diaspora money is the key where we cannot be physically be present back home for extended periods.

[DalbirSingh]

Christianity is better then islam just compare the western christian countries to all islamic countries you will see why. I would never want to live in an islamic country but a christian country is great. Christians for a long time have been providing schooling, medicines and other facilities these converts will get a better life this way in punjab. If they are lucky they might be able to get a visa. And if they feel sikhi is the truth they will convert back after the schooling and free wine they get in church, christians aren't like the islamics they will let them convert back.

[DalbirSingh]

Sikh kosh is right about the british raj rare number of converts and panthic raj severe number of converts. Perhaps in british raj people romanticize the past and made maharaja ranjit singh's rule look so great compared to the flaws of the british administration such as putting sikhs in far worse off jails then british treating british and indian with apartheid rule. Or the british beating people with sticks, lashes, gunning down people with the old victorian systems in place. The british evolved past all of that but the panthics are following even more backwards things, now that people see the difference between the west and the panthic sarkars and how sikhs are treated in the west they are more resentful to sikhi and the panthic sarkar who we tend to say are sellouts anyway.