Sikh Girl Marrying Non-Sikh

[Jonny101]

If they did that sgpc will probably see a direct fall in the donation funds they get and would lose all the nice cars, ac's, tv's, bodyguards, security teams, luxury palace like rooms with servants, the running costs of living it would fall

That's good. Why do SGPC employees need a Laal Batee wali car anyway? they don't need security. In fact, I don't even think they should be paid. They should be sevaks of SGPC not employees like the early years of SGPC. The SGPC should be totally free from Shiromani Akali Dal's influence or interference.

[DalbirSingh]

That's good. Why do SGPC employees need a Laal Batee wali car anyway? they don't need security. In fact, I don't even think they should be paid. They should be sevaks of SGPC not employees like the early years of SGPC. The SGPC should be totally free from Shiromani Akali Dal's influence or interference.

well akali dal dictate what is what to sgpc they are one and the same at this moment. Lal batee wali have plagued all of punjab.

[jashb]

There are only 2 options :1) Is there any Akal Takth Hukamnama which bans marriage between a Sikh & non-Sikh or two non Sikhs in a a Gurdwara? If not, we need one and then Gurdwara committees will be reluctant to conduct such marriages. The Akal Takth needs to give out the Hukamnama as to to whoever knowingly conducts or registers ( I mean the BhaiJi/Gianiji/GranthiJi, committee member ) such a marriage will be excommunicated from the Panth

We have more than one.

The most recent was issued in 2007/8 in direct response to the situation in the UK which is making a mockery of the entire concept of Anand Karaj.

But moreover, Panth Parvanit Darpan Sikh Rehit Maryada (documented as far back as the 1920's), as helpfully posted by DasamSarblohGranth above, already adequately addresses any doubt and is directly based on the 52 Hukamnamas of Dasven Patshah.

The problem is a a few money hungry committees that continue to book these sham marriage ceremonies because they see it as a lucrative market where they can clean up on bookings that have rightly been refused elsewhere.

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And by the way, since when were these sham marriages called "inter-faith" or "inter-religious" marriages?

Call them sham marriages for what they are!

[isingh1699]

We need a coherent and practical response to this phenomenon. Simply disconnecting those who inter-marry from the Sikh Panth is not practical and will not help.

Canada and the UK are our big overseas strongholds. 99% of people in these countries are non-Sikhs. 98.2% of Indians are non-Sikhs. In urban Punjab we are a minority.

Even in Chandigarh, our proposed capital only 19% of the population are Sikhs. So were it not for education about Sikhi, statistically it could be assumed that four of out of five Sikh young women in Chandigarh would marry non-Sikhs. Thankfully, that's not the case as there is enough basic knowledge and loyalty within the Panth to currently avoid that. But when throughout the World only one person in 250 is Sikh we have to realise that the odds are stacked against us in assuming that intermarriage will never occur. When it does occur, denying a Gurdwara blessing to a couple who wish for Anand Karaj is tantamount to cutting off generations of future Sikhs from the Panth. We can protest and gatecrash again and again and again, until with every generation we lose at least 20% of the Qaum to intermarriage and subsequent boycott+disconnection. Or we can use the desire for an Anand Karaj as a means of reconnecting lost souls back into the mainstream of the Panth. We also need to distinguish between spouses from Dharmic faiths and Abrahamic faiths because in the case of the former Sikhi is the automatic logical choice of any child from such a union (though we can't be so naive as to assume all our Qaum will be Amritdhari given that only Panj Piare had the bravery to answer Guru Sahib's call in 1699).

Without a coherent integrative plan to deal with ever increasing intermarriage we are destined to suffer a future significant Panthic population decrease worldwide.

The easiest way to deal with it is by accepting every person who sincerly marries via Anand Karaj as Sikh and using mob force against the pretenders who lie (rather than in cancelling weddings). By formally rejecting discrimination against women that is in the Bible, Quran and Manu Smriti it ought to catch out a lot of the fraudulent miscreants who marry Sikh girls with ulterior motives. The Panth has to act as the Girl's family in all such cases.

[DalbirSingh]

There was an idea put forth by the Sikh council britain that someone who isn't a sikh but wants to marry a sikh will have to convert now they aren't going to force amrit sanchar but they will have to prove their commitment of being a sehajdhari and to do so they will be questioned on sikhi, they will have to keep kesh before marriage they will have to change their name legally to singh or kaur. It seems people are convinced someone who has ulterior motives to convert someone slowly like this won't go to these lengths of doing these things. But we still have loads of gurdwaras who still feel it's fine.

There are girls who want to marry say it's fine if it was a guy, and sikhi teaches equality between men and women but we aren't practising it even though there are more women sikhs statistically in the UK doing anand karajs in gurdwaras with non sikhs someone came out with a figure of 51% which is too high. All of those hard earned earnings people broke their backs for in the diaspora will go in the diaspora community through dowry to muslim guys eventually at that rate.

[Shamshere]

I wonder if this topic would exist if it was a Sikh man marry a non sikh woman. Both are as bad as each other. It only leads to having confused children.

[POODNA]

There would be no problem if all 'Sikhs' stuck to Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 52 hukams.

[DalbirSingh]

I wonder if this topic would exist if it was a Sikh man marry a non sikh woman. Both are as bad as each other. It only leads to having confused children.

Na we would be fine just brainwash the kids into accepting sikhi

[Princesslatina]

I'm Latina and I'm willing to convert because I love how family oriented you people are and the values you have.

[AmanSingh1867]

We need a coherent and practical response to this phenomenon. Simply disconnecting those who inter-marry from the Sikh Panth is not practical and will not help.

Canada and the UK are our big overseas strongholds. 99% of people in these countries are non-Sikhs. 98.2% of Indians are non-Sikhs. In urban Punjab we are a minority.

Even in Chandigarh, our proposed capital only 19% of the population are Sikhs. So were it not for education about Sikhi, statistically it could be assumed that four of out of five Sikh young women in Chandigarh would marry non-Sikhs. Thankfully, that's not the case as there is enough basic knowledge and loyalty within the Panth to currently avoid that. But when throughout the World only one person in 250 is Sikh we have to realise that the odds are stacked against us in assuming that intermarriage will never occur. When it does occur, denying a Gurdwara blessing to a couple who wish for Anand Karaj is tantamount to cutting off generations of future Sikhs from the Panth. We can protest and gatecrash again and again and again, until with every generation we lose at least 20% of the Qaum to intermarriage and subsequent boycott+disconnection. Or we can use the desire for an Anand Karaj as a means of reconnecting lost souls back into the mainstream of the Panth. We also need to distinguish between spouses from Dharmic faiths and Abrahamic faiths because in the case of the former Sikhi is the automatic logical choice of any child from such a union (though we can't be so naive as to assume all our Qaum will be Amritdhari given that only Panj Piare had the bravery to answer Guru Sahib's call in 1699).

Without a coherent integrative plan to deal with ever increasing intermarriage we are destined to suffer a future significant Panthic population decrease worldwide.

The easiest way to deal with it is by accepting every person who sincerly marries via Anand Karaj as Sikh and using mob force against the pretenders who lie (rather than in cancelling weddings). By formally rejecting discrimination against women that is in the Bible, Quran and Manu Smriti it ought to catch out a lot of the fraudulent miscreants who marry Sikh girls with ulterior motives. The Panth has to act as the Girl's family in all such cases.

The Jews also face a similar problem, and have come up with a pretty interesting solution: if the mother is Sikh, the children are automatically Sikh as well. If a Sikh girl (most likely non-practicing) wants to marry out of the religion, by all means allow her to go ahead and do it, on the condition that she and her husband raise the children to be Sikhs. And the Panth should accept such couples with open arms, because the more we turn our backs on them, the further away we will push them. Accept them, teach them about Sikhi, that is our best bet. Who knows, the husband may even come around to accepting Sikhi in the future.