Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Veerji it was purely for food in times of war (or to defend the community from a predator) with the incidental side benefit of sharpening military skills.

Hunting was never done for entertainment. The lie that Sikhs hunted for pleasure was invented by our enemies to portray us as debauched.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Is killing house mice, rats or rodents bad? I can see many gurdwaras have mice traps these days most establishments have taken to that. How about killing snakes and scorpions who are poisonous? How about flies who walk on feces and then come into kitchens to infect foods with bad strains of viruses, is killing flies bad, if you don't and own a restaurant you can get in trouble with health authorities.

Most the hunting were those who terrorised villages like lions who came in killing people. The deer killing seems difficult to talk about because deers don't terrorise but their meat is usually for spoils to eat. The predominant don't eat meat stand comes from nanaksar who equally call religions like islam and christian good and equal revelations of god which promote eating meat, so it goes against nanaksar saying don't eat meat, if they feel the haddiths, quran and bible are revelations of god then god has allowed eating of meat. I've heard some of the pro nanaksar guys say it's okay to eat meat if you are a sant because sants have the power to even eat melted iron. Some view it as giving bad karma but it goes against them preaching texts which are considered perfect revelation to eat meat.

The taksal rehat is usually discussed as the difference between those who do bhagati as a sampayda and those who take on dharam yudh marayada who are then allowed to eat meat in war.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Is killing house mice, rats or rodents bad? I can see many gurdwaras have mice traps these days most establishments have taken to that. How about killing snakes and scorpions who are poisonous? How about flies who walk on feces and then come into kitchens to infect foods with bad strains of viruses, is killing flies bad, if you don't and own a restaurant you can get in trouble with health authorities.

Most the hunting were those who terrorised villages like lions who came in killing people. The deer killing seems difficult to talk about because deers don't terrorise but their meat is usually for spoils to eat. The predominant don't eat meat stand comes from nanaksar who equally call religions like islam and christian good and equal revelations of god which promote eating meat, so it goes against nanaksar saying don't eat meat, if they feel the haddiths, quran and bible are revelations of god then god has allowed eating of meat. I've heard some of the pro nanaksar guys say it's okay to eat meat if you are a sant because sants have the power to even eat melted iron. Some view it as giving bad karma but it goes against them preaching texts which are considered perfect revelation to eat meat.

The taksal rehat is usually discussed as the difference between those who do bhagati as a sampayda and those who take on dharam yudh marayada who are then allowed to eat meat in war.

thought deer was a pest.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Leaving aside any esoteric interpretations and perspectives, why did the purataan Khalsa hunt?

Hunting was always done by the warrior traditions.

Only the khalsa Sikhs that were active and training, participated in hunting.

Shooting your actual arrows with precision on moving targets which are alive not only trains your aim and nishana but it also builds up that inner courage and strength required to 'KILL' a live opponent. We have to remember that a khalsa Sikh fights for righteousness and against tryranny without any feelings of anger and hate.

We can sit at home and play with the nintendos and playstations for improving our own target practice, but shooting down a deer on the screen is no where near the real life situation no matter how good the visual and sound effects may be.

This was just the first part of hunting itself and then comes the jhatka. An arrow or spear can be used to strike the animal so that it slows down but then it will still be alive unless you embed a loud more of sudden arrows into the heart. However, to take it down and kill it for once the jhatka strike on the neck is used.

Another reason for doing jhatka on the goat and deer is because it involves the same strength and force as would be required to take off a human head !

I hope we can understand that this Hunting was NOT for sport as done by the rich country snobs, but it was clearly to help strengthen character and warrior skills.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Does an animal feel any pain in jhatka as muslims claim? The medical perspective would be good.

No, it does not. In fact halal can be more painful !

I wrote a lengthy article on some other thread about the physiology and scientific aspects with regards to jhatka over halal, and no doubt I clarified that jhatka is NOT more painful.

I really cannot remember what thread it was but perhaps someone may find it !

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • yeh it's true, we shouldn't be lazy and need to learn jhatka shikaar. It doesn't help some of grew up in surrounding areas like Slough and Southall where everyone thought it was super bad for amrit dharis to eat meat, and they were following Sant babas and jathas, and instead the Singhs should have been normalising jhatka just like the recent world war soldiers did. We are trying to rectifiy this and khalsa should learn jhatka.  But I am just writing about bhog for those that are still learning rehit. As I explained, there are all these negative influences in the panth that talk against rehit, but this shouldn't deter us from taking khanda pahul, no matter what level of rehit we are!
    • How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant? By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
    • Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?  Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
    • Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
    • Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use