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Ok this killed it, so we can move on plus the study muslims quote by Flavell itself has it's downsides as Flavell himself confessed.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/19151/proof-pain-leads-calls-ban-ritual-slaughter

When the Khalsa hunted were there any bylaws. For example if the animal is not killed but suffering it had to be dispatched immediately? How to cook the meat? How long the animal could be kept before consuming etc. Plus are there any historic pictures of the Gurus' hunting? And did we have a restriction on what really could be hunted and why?

As for cooking remember they didn't have refrigeration back then, most people would cook and eat straight away apart from the roman civilisations who would apply loads of salt on their meat to preserve it even with halal it was cooked and eaten straight away. In short the restriction of eating meat was only that which isn't edible or will cause harm. We don't have outdated teachings which were set for one time but limit themselves, just because pork wasn't okay to eat at one point such as ancient swine flu they deemed it evil for eternity. Yet modern science has told muslims about foot and mouth for mutton, goat, sheep, lamb and mad cow disease for cattle beef. Had they eaten the meat then they would have been dead had western science not told them.

Let me post a janamsakhi in another post and you can read it.

Sort of got the same idea from this,

He says by celebrating christmas you accept jesus was god, what happened to jesus being an islamic prophet stated by the false prophet mo?

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From JanamSakhis Chapter 17 pages 102-106 TOUR TO THE EAST:AT KURKSHETRA
{KURKSHETRA is where Mahabharat was believed to have happened, the actual battle field and is today modern day harayana}
After having visited all these places in Punjab, the Guru decided to proceed on long tours to places outside the Punjab. These tours are called Udasis.
There is a good deal of difference about the order in which these tours were undertaken. But the most generally accepted view is that the first tour was to the east, the second to the south, the third to the north, and the fourth to the west.
So we take it that the first tour was to the east. Mardana was his companion during this tour. During it the Guru visited important centres of Hindu religion. With a view to addressing his message of light and love to as many people at a time as possible, he visited the holy places on festive occasions. His method of approach was 'dramatic rather than discussional'. In order to draw the people's attention, he wore a peculiar dress. Then, on reaching among the throng of pilgrims, he proceeded to do something which was not only extraordinary and out of tune with the prevailing atmosphere, but also such as the worshippers would notice at once and denounce. He would then gently tum the tables on his critics, convince them of their error, and show them the true way to worship God.
During his first tour, he wore a strange motley dress, consisting of a long ochre-coloured gown, with a while waisted-band, a conical cap in his head, a garland of bones round his neck, a pair of shoes of different designs on his feet; and a saffron mark on his forehead. [Puratan Janam Sakhi. p. 43.] Who could fail to notice such a one? With such dress, there was no need for him to advertise his presence.
The first important centre of Hindu religion visited by him was Khurkshetra or Kurkshetra. He knew that a big Hindu fair was about to be held there on the occasion of the Solar-eclipse. He also knew what superstitions practices regarding the eclipse were current among the Hindus. He knew how on such occasions the simple, ignorant people them all from such senseless practices and bring them on to the right path.
Reaching there, he sat beside a lake. People were busy in bathing and giving alms to Brahmins. They hoped, thereby, to clean themselves of their sins and to rescue the Sun-god from the clutches of demons; for they had been taught by the priests to believe that the solar-eclipse was caused by demons Rahu and Ketu-by taking the sun in their grip. If they were to succeed in engulfing and destroying the sun, the world would be plunged in darkness. Therefore, to ward off that danger people had to gather and pray at that sacred place, and give gifts to Brahmins. The Guru watched these deluded, misguided people and smiled. He bade Mardana play the rebeck. The Guru sang one of his sweet, soul stirring Songs. Very few heard him; for all were busy in washing off their sins and in rescuing the Sun-god.
At that time a queen and her son came along. The radiance on the Guru's face charmed them. They bowed and offered him the only thing which they could offer, a deer which the prince had shot on the way. They prayed that the Guru might intercede for them and pray for the restoration .of their kingdom, which had been usurped by another. The Guru said, 'All is in God's hands. Remember Him and live in contentment under whatever condition He is pleased to ordain. I an sure that your love and devotion will win His pleasure and get you back what you have lost. I shall also pray for you. '
At the Guru's instructions, the deer was cut up and the venison set to boil in a big vessel. The smoke of the fire attracted the notice of the Brahmins and the rest. They had a superstition that to light a fire and cook anything during the solar-eclipse were acts of sacrilege. They were beside themselves with rage. They hurried to the spot. When tlley learnt that, of all things, it was meat that was on the fire, they yelled all the louder. This was a sacrilege which ,had never been committed there before, and on such a day when the Sun-God was harassed by his enemies. Some said that he was a great sinner, some called him an irreligious athiest intent upon violating established usage, others considered him to be a man of low birth who was trying to spoil the sanctity of Ule place and the occasion by his irreligious acts. They were all furious, They forgot their own acts of worship and charity. All yelled with rage. They swarmed around the Guru. They threatened him, abused him, jeered and swore at him. They were ready to stone him. The Guru sat calm and unperturbed. As they approached him, a smile of benevolent pity at their foolish behaviour overspread his countenance. When they saw the winsome smile on that calm, God-lit face, their heated brains began to cool, their wrath-agitated hearts began to throb less violently. Soon, all thoughts of violence left them. They came near him and began to
question him about his queer conduct. They were not yet quite free from agitation. The Guru invited them to sit and discuss the matter calmly. They sat down around him. At their head was Pandit Nanu, who was very proud of his learning. He started a discussion on the question of meat eating. The Guru replied to Nanu's questions in a Divine Song which may be freely rendered as follows:-
'Your scruples against meat are based on a misconception. While you are too ready to wrangle about meat. you really do not know what meat is, how it differs from vegetables, and in what do sin and evil lie. Man is like all other animals in having a body of flesh. It is in f1esh and from flesh that this body comes into being. For nine months It is nourished in flesh. After birth, man sucks flesh for milk. On growing to manhood, he marries and brings home a bundle of flesh. He derives enjoyment from that bunille of flesh, his wife, and produces children, who are again but so many pieces of f1esh. So flesh in itself is not a contemptible thing. If it is evil to take meat, well, what will you say of your Rishis and gods of old, who used to kill animals and perform religious ceremonies therewith? How then can you take objection against my cooking meat on an occasion ofreligious sanctity? In your Vedas and Shastras meat is
mentioned quite often and is not forbidden. How then can you defend your fanaticism against meat?
'The truth is that though you call yourselves clever and learned persons, yet, in reality, you are wholly devoid of true wisdom and knowledge. As I said before, your scruples against meat are due to a misconception. Let us consider the matter from another point of view. Man is like all other animals in having a body which needs food and sustenance; but he is higher than the rest in having a greatly developed mind and intellect. It is open to man to direct his mind towards the source of all life, light. and happiness, to sublimate his passions and instincts, acquire qualities that can raise him to the level of gods, and thereby attain a life of real power and bliss. In that state he raises no idle questions about animal or vegetable diet. He does not live to eat, but eats
to live. He uses his god-given sense of discrimination, and avoids such articles of food and clothing as are likely to sow and tendencies, or as are prone to produce disease and suffering in the body. He lives in constant contemplation of God. He finds Him, and hence loves and serves Him, in his creation.
'On the other hand, it is open to man to let his mind get more entangled in the meshes of animal cravings. He then runs about like a wild beast. He lives to eat. His mind goes dancing about after objects of sensual
pleasures. He becomes spiritually dead. He eats and drinks as his depraved animal nature prompts him. He suffers and dies, not as a man, but as the wreck of a man.
'Then there are others who cultivate their intellect in order to indulge in vain controversies, dry philosophies, and blind superstitions. They do not direct their thoughts to God. They can never taste true like of the spirit. Look at yourselves. You believe that by bathing and giving alms and charity to Brahmins, a man can wash his sins away and rescue the Sun-god from the clutches of some imaginary demons. What an idle occupation ! What a silly thought! Your hearts are impure as ever. How can bathing wash away your sins? The sun is at a huge distance, How can people of this planet help him, with their offerings to Brahmins or in any other manner? The eclipse is a natural phenomenon. Brahmins have made it a means of duping the people and relieving them of their substance; a strange religion! a stange piety! You boast of your abstension from meat and count it an act of great merit and piety, but you never think of eradicating the evils which deJile your mind and heart. You think it a sin to eat flesh, but you think it no sin to suck other people's blood, to snatch other people's rights, to commit adultery and a thousand other black and evils deeds. You believe that those who take meat are sinners; yet you accept gifts from those very sinner and deceive yourselves by the thought that your avoidance ofmeat will save you from going to hell, where your' benefactors are doomed to go. Isn't it a queer philosophy?
'Give up these idle controversies. Think ever of the true Lord, who is the source of all life and power, of all peace and happiness,Cultivate the nobler and higher powers and qualities; employ them in the service of God
through man; control you thoughts from wandering in sinful channels; direct them to the source of all knowledge. Do not suppress and kill your natural animal craving for love, life, and sustenance. Rather elevate them and harness them to the service of God and man. Do not torture and disable your body. Itis the vehicle of the soul. Keep it strong and healthy. Use it in the path of righteousness. You will come to enjoy true life of the spirit. You will perceive God pervading everywhere. You will be one with that source of all life, Iight, love and power. You will cease to be dry, dead, and weak. Unbounded love, light, and power will outflow from you and help and raise mankind. So think of Him.' [1.-Malar di //.]
'Remember' , added to Guru, 'only such food should be avoided as may tend to produce pain and disorder in the body or evil thoughts and vicious longings in the mind. That is to be the golden rule in deciding what to eat and what ot abstain from.'
At the conclusion of this discourse, all, Nanu and the rest, bowed in deep reverence and accepted him as their Master. He instructed the them in fundamentals of his faith. The place near the sacred tank where the Guru sat and discoursed, became the site of a Gurdwara or a House of Lord, named Sidhbatti, whence the Guru's teachings have been imparted to all who would come for them.
ref sggs 1289
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And this,

We need Sikhs to be like this if you see 2 year old sikhs they are dancing the bollywood tracks or mtv songs with girls in bikinis dancing around. Plus this girl doesn't know who the misguided ones are they are the muhammadens. Where did mo emigrate to- medina? The guy meant where did mo run away to when people figured out his agenda. The most important obligation is Dawah through Jihad. Muslims commit shirk all the time for them the biggest sin is the ask questions to the mullahs which might reveal them to being fools. Pretty much a majority of meccans christians, jews and 3/4 of humanity don't believe the koran is divine revelation. Fools think sleep is death and allah resurrects them every night after dying. She is right about the right hand thing, the left hand is the kuffar hand to shake kaffirs hands with and wipe their arses with, the koran is held with the right as is food and a muslims hand is shaken with the right. The miswak is dataan, they beat wifes with it and haven't learnt about colgate yet.

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