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Does karma go against hukam?

Vaheguru has created a system of action and reaction. Everything that happens within that system is within His hukam. His Hukam and it's workings are so great that it is beyond our limited intellect. Everything that happens to us is a result of our past karams, but at the same time when someone does something bad to us it does not necessarily mean it is a result of our past karmas, maybe the aggressor has created a new bad karma by doing something bad and for that he will pay in the future.

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No soul leaves the earth before its agenda is complete. Even when someone dies he/she is given a choice to go back. Our Sikh sangat really needs to familar with the NDE experiences with people, now thousand of documented cases. Death usually means integration of a being. Being born is rather a state of disintegration in three parts body, mind and soul, which seems like being pulled in different directions causing the confusion of life. Making it worst the forgetfullness one has when born, which is necessary for it to creates its new experience.

Hukam is always perfect. We just cant see the whole picture of lives interacting in the Martix (big picture)

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Vaheguru has created a system of action and reaction. Everything that happens within that system is within His hukam. His Hukam and it's workings are so great that it is beyond our limited intellect.

Agreed with all of the above Jonny Veerji

Everything that happens to us is a result of our past karams,

Strongly disagree with that though Pyare Veer. The Islamic Ghallugharas of our Panth, the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947 and the Congress GOI Genocide of Sikhs entirely repudiate the concept that devout Gursikhs suffered as a result of past karams. Karma refers specifically to actions in this life (for which there is undeniably an action and reaction which takes one further or closer to merging with God). It was only Manu Smriti, the handbook of Hindu terrorism and caste discrimination that invented the lie that present day suffering is as a result of past sins. Sikhi rejects this Hindu concept entirely. All evil actions in 1947+1984 were done by our enemies rather than deserved punishment for the supposed past sins of devout Gursikhs.

but at the same time when someone does something bad to us it does not necessarily mean it is a result of our past karmas, maybe the aggressor has created a new bad karma by doing something bad and for that he will pay in the future.

The whole "payment for present sins in a future life" is classical Hindutva philosophy Veerji.

Guru Sahib never presumed to finitely box in or define God's unlimited and infinite methods for ensuring Justice as per Hukam..

In Sikhi, both nadar (grace) and karma (fruits of actions of past lives) have a role to play in what happens in our life.

Pyare Veer, karma in Sanskrit specifically means actions of this life.

Only in Manu Smriti did it begin to be perverted to the meaning of previous lives.

There is also a third element at play, the grace of Gurmukhs/Sants - such sants are parupkari (merciful to others) and so pray to Vaheguroo to take on some of the bad karma of another person, the event will then happen to that person.

Veerji my limited understanding of Sikhi is that we do not believe in intercession like the Hindu's + Muslims with pirs + sadhu's doing deals for us.

Dalbir Singh Veerji. Everything is part of Hukam at the ultimate level. If the dude survives (injured or unscathed) let us thank God (rather than his so-called actions in a previous life). If he's paralysed then let us focus on blaming that on the shooters rather than the one suffering. If the innocent dies - clearly solely as a result of the evil murderers - then that should mean mukthi and merger with The One.

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Strongly disagree with that though Pyare Veer. The Islamic Ghallugharas of our Panth, the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in 1947 and the Congress GOI Genocide of Sikhs entirely repudiate the concept that devout Gursikhs suffered as a result of past karams. Karma refers specifically to actions in this life (for which there is undeniably an action and reaction which takes one further or closer to merging with God). It was only Manu Smriti, the handbook of Hindu terrorism and caste discrimination that invented the lie that present day suffering is as a result of past sins. Sikhi rejects this Hindu concept entirely. All evil actions in 1947+1984 were done by our enemies rather than deserved punishment for the supposed past sins of devout Gursikhs.

Veerji, I also said that when someone(an aggressor) does something bad to you, it does not necessarily mean you are being punished for a previous karma on your part. It can also mean that the aggressor has now created a new (bad) karma on himself for which he will be liable in future. Gurbani also gives reference to Karma system. In Japji Sahib it says in the 20th Pauri:

ਪੁੰਨੀ ਪਾਪੀ ਆਖਣੁ ਨਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਣਾ ਲਿਖਿ ਲੈ ਜਾਹੁ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਬੀਜਿ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਖਾਹੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਹੁਕਮੀ ਆਵਹੁ ਜਾਹੁ ॥੨੦॥

http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0004.html read Prof Sahib Singh Jee's arth and explanation.

These tukhs are clear evidence of the existance of a Karmic system where Guru Jee explains one should not just say Paap and Punn karam is nothing, because what ever action you take is all being written down, what you sow so shall you reap, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee says with the hukam of Vaheguru you will come and go in the cycle of transmigration based on your karmas.

The Karmic system of justice is a universal truth. Every action will have a reaction. Do not dismiss something simply because Hindus also coincidentally happen to believe it. This is what Kala Afghanists/missionaries do. They dismiss anything even if it is written in Bani just because Hindus also happen to believe it. So their phobia of Hindus is so great that they are willing to say Bani is lying. They have become heretics. Buddhists and Jains also believe in reincarnation and Karmic system, yet they are distinct from Hinduism.

Do you believe in reincarnation?

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