Do Moneh Have The Right To Ask Sikh Question Or Talk About Sikhi?

[Only five 1,132]

they can clean but are they equal? Can they talk or ask questions of sikhi or do katha can they get on stage and preach sikhi? can a moneh read an akhand paath?

From personal experience I have seen moneh doing various seva. From doing seva of Maharaj's Takht to seva of participating in an Akhand Paath and langar. When they were doing seva of Maharaj's Takht di seva it was a race to get the job done regardless of how it will look. There was no pyare and sharda put into the seva. Also during an Akhand Paath the moneh was more interested in who was coming and bowing before Maharaj than reading Sri Jap Ji Sahib. Also in the langar hall I have seen moneh rush through langar di seva and the main focus is to get the job done. A phone call comes, pick up the call and start talking while giving out langar. Sitting and talking with many moneh about seva and they say the same thing. Seva is a job.............get it done and leave............so what if sucha is not completely kept.

Katha can only be done by learned individuals. Example is of GS Mann who speaks on Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji and he has a hair cut.

[DalbirSingh 188]

Katha can only be done by learned individuals. Example is of GS Mann who speaks on Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji and he has a hair cut.

If that's the case why do have so many unlearned people who are keshdhari doing katha ? And why isn't GS Mann invited to more events to do katha on stages? He is very learned but isn't as widely booked as he could be.

[Only five 1,132]

If that's the case why do have so many unlearned people who are keshdhari doing katha ? And why isn't GS Mann invited to more events to do katha on stages? He is very learned but isn't as widely booked as he could be.

Go ask the Gurdwaras that have these unlearned keshdhari guys doing katha. Well for the most part many Gurdwaras are controlled by people that want to push their views on Sikhs. So they would not have GS Mann come in to teach Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji as many of them don't even accept Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

I have also seen moneh come on stage and make a complete fool of themselves on wedding days. These unlearned moneh start singing about worldly entanglements as true love.

[DalbirSingh 188]

Go ask the Gurdwaras that have these unlearned keshdhari guys doing katha. Well for the most part many Gurdwaras are controlled by people that want to push their views on Sikhs. So they would not have GS Mann come in to teach Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji as many of them don't even accept Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

I have also seen moneh come on stage and make a complete fool of themselves on wedding days. These unlearned moneh start singing about worldly entanglements as true love.

Reminds me of the old h dhami doing kirtan in a gurdwara video alot of people thought it was great, he was off note and forgot he was performing in a gurdwara where you are supposed to display utmost humility instead of a nightclub with great confidence and stage presence.

[Summy 2]

From personal experience I have seen moneh doing various seva. From doing seva of Maharaj's Takht to seva of participating in an Akhand Paath and langar. When they were doing seva of Maharaj's Takht di seva it was a race to get the job done regardless of how it will look. There was no pyare and sharda put into the seva. Also during an Akhand Paath the moneh was more interested in who was coming and bowing before Maharaj than reading Sri Jap Ji Sahib. Also in the langar hall I have seen moneh rush through langar di seva and the main focus is to get the job done. A phone call comes, pick up the call and start talking while giving out langar. Sitting and talking with many moneh about seva and they say the same thing. Seva is a job.............get it done and leave............so what if sucha is not completely kept.

Katha can only be done by learned individuals. Example is of GS Mann who speaks on Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji and he has a hair cut.

I hope this learned hair cut GS Mann is not allowed to speak in any Gurudwara.

[DalbirSingh 188]

I hope this learned hair cut GS Mann is not allowed to speak in any Gurudwara.

Why do you hope that? Is it because he has a weakness in his faith symbolised by his unwillingness to keep his hair and that weakness would be propagated across masses?

[proud2bejatt 66]

Sikhi is for humanity.

[isingh1699 210]

were punjabi hindu gursewaks disowned as sikhs? Such as the guy who gave hot milk to the chotee shabizaday?

Dalbir Singh Veerji from my understanding all Gurswevaks, though perhaps Hindu and Muslim and Jain originally, were Guru de Sikh ultimately.

For example Baba Moti Ram Mehra was a Guru da Sikh but enemies of our Qaum have transformed his pavithar memory into being thought of as a Hindu Kashyap Rajput. The truth is Moti Ram Mehra Ji was a Guru da Sikh who fought for the Khalsa Panth but suddenly a bunch of crooks are trying to claim Baba as their ancestor.

If this taliban mentality doesnt stop then soon we will have a bhagat sain gurdwara..

I totally agree with the direction of your point Satbachan Veerji but just to remind readers of the Sikh vision of (Kesdhari) Bhagat Sain Ji that we hold (in contrast to our enemies later portraits of Bhagat Sain Ji)

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.amritsar.com/images/gallery/sain.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.amritsar.com/cgi-bin/Gallery/picture.pl?day%3D30%26month%3D6%26year%3D2005&h=553&w=553&sz=43&tbnid=c_4N4LGBfMOyXM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=90&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbhagat%2Bsain%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=bhagat+sain&usg=__BxwhFiF7dMoslJbDmQEajZZDtgE=&docid=UQiylAwWpg5IhM&sa=X&ei=FTMMUvilJOO-0QWO84GYCw&ved=0CD4Q9QEwBQ&dur=4623

The great thing about this thread is that the overwhelming majority of the Panth welcome + respect our sehajdhari brothers + sisters to participate more within + on behalf of the Panth in contrast to a small but vocal minority of haters amongst us who want to see the Sikh Panth's population made as small + powerless as possible.

[Only five 1,132]

I hope this learned hair cut GS Mann is not allowed to speak in any Gurudwara.

Keep doing your ardas to you limited God and maybe your wishes will be granted

[BritishSingh 98]

I've heard people say only a gursikh can do katha otherwise these "lost" sikhs will do kintu printu "confuse" people.

Have a read of what a guru pyareo said on the fb feed of this post:

Sonya Nayun Im a innocent Sikh..I don't drink smoke or eat meat. I pray whenever I can I work for my money. I do roles at the gurudwara but for my fashion I cut my hair...does that mean I'm not Sikh?

Sonya Nayun Sikh is Sikh mona or not. Sikh with a turban who drink alchol and smoke drugs and eat meat why should they have more rights?

I would like to ask, When you cut your hair, do you think of Guru Ji?

Everyone who wants to gain knowledge has the right to ask about Sikhi.

[Summy 2]

I would like to ask, When you cut your hair, do you think of Guru Ji?

Everyone who wants to gain knowledge has the right to ask about Sikhi.

Your first question will never be answered by monahs.

[MKaur89 108]

Keeping kesh and becoming Amritdhari is the beginning of the journey, not the final destination.

At home, anyone is free to read path and do nitnem etc, but when it comes to reading path in sangat at the gurdwara, then certain maryada has to be upheld, which normally means only Amritdharis are allowed to take part in Akhand Path seva. In smaller gurdwaras, where there are fewer Amritdharis readily available to do seva, I have seen non-Amritdharis participate in Akhand Path seva. I have seen plenty of non-Amritdharis/keshdharis do all kinds seva with pyar and sharda but have also seen many do seva without pyar and sharda, but then again the same applies to Amritdharis/keshdharis- you can’t tar both groups with the same brush.

I guess the same thing applies to doing kirtan/katha on stage, surely it is best to practice what you preach, which is why almost always I have only ever seen Amritdhari kathavachaks/kirtanis on stage. The exception to this is sometimes you see children/teenagers with cut hair or trimmed beards do kirtan/play tabla on stage but I think this case is slightly different and perhaps it’s best to encourage and not deter these youngsters from taking part in seva, as who knows one day these children may grow up and keep kesh.

The main thing is that in terms of keeping rehat, both inner rehat and outer rehat are important- you can’t have one without the other.

Someone may take Amrit, wear the panj kakkars and have the outer appearance of an Amritdhari, but if that person makes no effort to maintain inner rehat and is corrupted by the panj chor and has no simran, seva, sangat or nitnem- then is this person really better than someone who may cut their hair, but makes a conscious effort to do nitnem, read and contemplate on Gurbani, do seva, attend gurdwara and sits in sangat? Maybe doing all these things will eventually lead that person to adopt kesh and lead a Gursikh jeevan.

Everyone has their own unique relationship with Guru Ji, and as a result of previous karams and also efforts in this lifetime, some of us may struggle to keep kesh while others find it easy, some Amritdharis may spend many years still struggling to wake up at Amritvela and maintain nitnem, whilst someone with cut hair may find it easy to maintain Amrtivela nitnem.

Becoming Amritdhari is without a doubt the minimum requirement of being a Gursikh, but there is no ‘one size fits all’ approach as everyone is at different levels in their bhagti. We should all strive to become Amritdhari and maintain both inner and outer rehat to the highest standards possible, but need to remember that Amrit di daat is given, not taken. When Guru Ji bestows kirpa on someone, anything is possible and your whole jeevan can change in an instant.

To answer the question, ‘moneh’ do have the right to talk and ask questions about Sikhi- how else are they meant to learn anything? But when it comes to talking on stage or in sangat, then certain maryada has to be followed and I don’t think it’s discrimination to ensure that only Amritdhari kirtanis/kathavachaks/parcharaks sit on stage. The bottom line is that everyone has to start somewhere, whether that is by just reading Jap Ji Sahib every day, going to gurdwara every day, doing seva in langar, or becoming Amritdhari.

Sometimes it’s so easy to sit back and judge others, but why not focus that energy on judging ourselves and trying to become better Sikhs ourselves?

[Summy 2]

But when it comes to talking on stage or in sangat, then certain maryada has to be followed and I don’t think it’s discrimination to ensure that only Amritdhari kirtanis/kathavachaks/parcharaks sit on stage.

Spot on with this one. "Cut hair" so called learned and self proclaimed scholars cannot come on stage and speak in a Gurudwara.

[GPS 1,338]

I have seen non sikh scholars presenting excellent research papers on sikhism in our gurudwaras. Sikhi does not debar anyone from

presenting his positive views on sikhi.

Keep in mind they are not performing kirtan or katha, they are presenting their research work.

Now coming to someone objecting to GS Mann.GS Mann is a sikh but has not hair. He has done excellent job in researching

history of Dasam Granth.His presentation has silenced many fifth grade self made scholars who were throwing mud on bani

of Guru Gobind Singh ji. He is not doing kirtan or katha in gurudawras. He has love for sikhi and that is why he is in this field.

Who knows when with akal purakh kirpa he becomes a singh.

Lastly Guru Gobind singh ji has over hundred poets in his court and many of them were non sikhs. Let us learn to appreciate

academic contribution positively for furthering of sikhi.

[Mehtab Singh 3,960]

Has anyone watched talk shows of one Sohan Lal? I've seen him on Sikh channels discussing Gurbani and have heard from Singhs he is pretty good. I don't think I've seen many of his talks so can't be sure.