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TONIGHT @ 8PM SIKH CHANNEL

Bhai Mohan Singh (SAS) will be highlighting the recent case of a Sikh Teenager being sexually exploited by a group of older men in Leicester.

This case relates to another case, the high-profile storming of Moghul Durbar restaurant where the victim had been abused.

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Tandoori Singh Jee, you have made some valid points but I have to disagree with some Sikhs are not brave because they are 'Punjabi Sikhs' rather it's the reverse that's true: Punjabis Sikhs are brave

TONIGHT @ 8PM SIKH CHANNEL Bhai Mohan Singh (SAS) will be highlighting the recent case of a Sikh Teenager being sexually exploited by a group of older men in Leicester. This case relates to another

Ummm... yeah. That usually involves a gun to the head, knife to the throat, or sword to the neck. :D

I just hope the message is getting across

recently heard of a young Sikh girl going out with a Sikh guy for a few months, and when his credit card fell out of his pocket it had a Muslim name on it, she was really upset at the deceit.

various methods of trickery are used , including the old "all human beings are equal anyway" and "why are you discriminating against us"

"why are you being racist against Muslims" and " come on its the 21st century don't be so old fashioned, we can mix"

we should inform all of our youth to stay away from kebab and fast food joints with the halal sign, as this is some the main places that young people are started being groomed by gifting them free meals - tell your kids to stay away from these places....

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I just hope the message is getting across

recently heard of a young Sikh girl going out with a Sikh guy for a few months, and when his credit card fell out of his pocket it had a Muslim name on it, she was really upset at the deceit.

various methods of trickery are used , including the old "all human beings are equal anyway" and "why are you discriminating against us"

"why are you being racist against Muslims" and " come on its the 21st century don't be so old fashioned, we can mix"

we should inform all of our youth to stay away from kebab and fast food joints with the halal sign, as this is some the main places that young people are started being groomed by gifting them free meals - tell your kids to stay away from these places....

This really angers me! Also why don't are our own boys and girls realise what muslims are trying to do. Whenever we try to help or advise one not to do it we get the response 'mind your own business' and all the things you have said above. When will girls and boys realise that for sikhi to live on we must get married to a Sikh. Why do they feel the need to go out and rebel? If you meet one bad Sikh guy doesn't mean all of us are bad.

These kebab and fast food joints are always where there is a Pakistani majority come to London no muslim would even think about doing this.

You don't seem all muslim girls doing this, I hope this can change one day.

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"all human beings are equal anyway"

Only at birth, some are shaved afterwards and some are amputated.

"why are you discriminating against us"

Lets see how they answer the same question coming from non-Muslims living in Islamic countries.

"why are you being racist against Muslims"

I guess they should stop returning the favor against other minorities in countries they rule.

"come on its the 21st century don't be so old fashioned, we can mix"

Lets see their response when its a Muslim girl and a non-Muslim guy.
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I just hope the message is getting across

I very much doubt it is. It hasn't got across for 40 years plus, ever since pak muslim sexual grooming started in the UK in the 70's, despite the best efforts of a few true Sikh bravehearts, so I wonder how the message would, all of a sudden, start getting across now.

If anything, it's only going getting much worse. With a so called "Sikh" owned tv channel like britasia corrupting the youth with it's asian agenda (wherever you see this term, read it as "muslim" agenda, because that's what it really means), bhangra music that promotes caste and alcohol rapidly becoming the only link for most Sikh youth back to their indigenous "culture", and the hardcore elder generation fast disappearing, I can only see things going further downhill.

Bhai Mohan Singh said the sewadars are dealing with an unprecedented volume of cases. Shedloads, numbers never seen before. All over the country.

Sher-e-panjaab gave up decades ago, and ever since then, we've all thought it's not so bad anymore.

Any further confirmation required that that's clearly not the case?

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This really angers me!

Well, it's a good job that you're not within direct earshot of me, in that case, bruv.

I could let you in on a few home truths that are swept under the carpet at our community level, even those that originate around your endz, that might send you into hypertension.

The "josh" only exists in your late teens/early twenties. When you've seen and heard the worst of it, solid, for over a decade, it just doesn't mean the same anymore. You become tired, exhausted, and hardened.

This case was particularly distressing, I can't imagine what the parents went though, let alone the child herself. But bruv, I'm sad to say it, I wasn't even shocked. Not even remotely. Nothing shocks me anymore.

I think you're in Southall, if I'm not wrong, so you're far from the worst of it.

However, I don't underestimate the ability of Sikhs anywhere in the UK to keep their head under the sand until they, God forbid, become directly affected, which, let's face it, is just as likely in Southall, as it is in Bradistan - not only because of the changing demographic of this particular part of West London, but also because twitter and facebook have totally changed the whole ball game.

Also why don't are our own boys and girls realise what muslims are trying to do. Whenever we try to help or advise one not to do it we get the response 'mind your own business' and all the things you have said above.

I'll give you two answers.

The first is a long answer; a list of generic reasons that are always bandied about, but never revisited once our community forgets (which is funnily frequent).

And the second is a short answer; more of a specific explanation for the current best situation that I've been thinking about this week, as it relates to events that happened around this time of year.

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Long answer:

a) These kids don't know what game is being played with them.

I don't think there's any doubt about that.

b) Worse still, they don't want to know what game is being played with them.

Why? Well, that's because they've already been brainwashed by their parents and society into confirmist, compliant, liberal, soft, unassuming, fairytale-believing pappu's, with no clue about the harsh environment that operates in the outside world they live in.

The ludicrously simple warnings that punjabi parents give them, while telling them just to focus on grades, and buying their heads in the sand about what else might be going on at school/college, don't help.

Nor does the fact that they have zero knowledge about their own faith, let alone about islam.

c) Since their parents don't want to teach then, the door is left wide open for westernised friends/peers, older pervs/pak muslim sexual groomers, garbage chav tv (e.g. eastenders), and twitter/facebook, to fill the gap in giving them a "real" education about all the so called "controversial", taboo topics, that they actually want to, and need to, obtain closure about at that age (early teens).

Dumb punjabi parents conveniently sweep these issues under the carpet, and refuse to discuss them, because they naively deem them to be too "dirty" for discussion.

You've got to remember that kids are so highly impressionable, that they're almost like a blank canvas at that age.

So if their parents don't get a headstart in teaching them about things that could save their life later on, others most definitely will, and they will most surely see a stupid, naive, gullible fool ready to be exploited, all because they have been denied a "real" education.

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Short answer:

It's because they don't know what our good, moderate punjabi muslim friends did to us in 1947.

This is pretty important.

Meanwhile, pak muslim parents begin the education of their children about Sikh people from this part of history. All with their own obvious bias to it.

Before someone says that we already do keep the heritage of the Khalsa of the 1700's alive though pictures of the genocidal campaigns of aurangzeb, zakaria khan, abdali;

Blud, that was over three centuries ago, in a time world's apart from the way we live now. No child would be able to identify with those pictures In this day and age!

But 1947 is totally, and, furthermore, painfully, still relevant to us now.

If anyone doubts this; why not just check out all the films that the paks have made about Sikhs, all about this topic? They all portray the same message; that Sikhs were the "bad guys".

Interesting how they forget to mention that it was the official policy of the Muslim League to rape, murder kill and ethnically cleanse kaffirs out of all of panjaab, as they knew it was the only way they would get pakistan.

We've got only one film that tells our side of the story (Gadar). Even that was corrupted by a predictably hindutva agenda.

Maybe we should think about filling our kids in about this particular bit of history, while trying to parrot teach them oora-aara at punjabi school, as it certainly hasn't escaped our muslim friends' attention?

These kebab and fast food joints are always where there is a Pakistani majority come to London no muslim would even think about doing this.

If, by "London", you mean Southall, bruv, then that particular part of London has already witnessed an explosion of paki kebab/fried chicken shops, and sadly, many can boast plenty of Sikh custom too.

And, like I've said before, pak muslim sexual grooming has gone on at close quarters to Southall right under our noses from well long before and still is now.

Beliefs like yours are sadly well persistent among our community, and only go to prove just how deluded we actually are.

Sikhs are sleeping, and pakis see them as sitting ducks.

Sad thing is, most of our community truly are.

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"come on its the 21st century don't be so old fashioned, we can mix"

Lets see their response when its a Muslim girl and a non-Muslim guy.

Ummm... yeah. That usually involves a gun to the head, knife to the throat, or sword to the neck.

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I can’t believe this is happening. Is this a common occurrence in Leicester or an isolated case? At the moment Muslims are running circles around Sikhs. It’s time for Sikh girls to step up and take responsibility. If this girl came from the Muslims community I bet there would be many other Muslims girls helping and supporting her and pointing her in the right direction. While this girl probably had other Sikh girls encouraging her and recruiting more.

We Sikhs have no damn Unity!!

What I don’t get is the general Attitude of a lot of Sikh girls. They think if it doesn’t affect them, then why they should care about it. For instance if Sikhs are being groomed or used then why should they care? I tell you why you should care. Because when you same Sikh girl’s get married and have a daughter your children could be the next victims of Muslim groomers on your local street. Think about it. Think about the next generation. I’m not saying it’s all Sikh girls fault. Muslims by nature are very crafty people. Most areas of the UK are over populated with Muslims hence there is more opportunity for this to occur. I.e. in schools and colleges around the UK. Plus they are very good at gaining girls trust and getting this to happen.Don’t look up to Muslims and become their poodles.

No Sikh girls ask for this to happen. But when you date a Muslim your under their power. They can use and abuse you as males generally dominate the female in most relationships. Let’s not beat up Sikh girls. This happened because of scum of the earth Muslim groomers picked up a vulnerable girl off the street and drugged her up. Sikhs should not start blaming each other either. We need to stick together and protect the community when it’s being attacked. We do not need in fighting but need unity. Muslims want are us to be divided. So they can take advantage. Remember most Sikh girls are respectful and intelligent let’s not tarnish all the good Sikh women that are out there! Come on Sikh girls how many of these news stories do you want to hear before you get the damn message! Keep away from Muslim males they are only out for themselves.

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Its time for Sikh girls to step up and take responsibility. If this girl came from the Muslims community I bet there would be many other Muslims girls helping and supporting her and pointing her in the right direction. While this girl probably had other Sikh girls encouraging her and recruiting more.

True.

What I dont get is the general Attitude of a lot of Sikh girls. They think if it doesnt affect them, then why they should care about it. For instance if Sikhs are being groomed or used then why should they care?

Short answer:

We don't have a clear national identity at this stage in the diaspora.

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Long answer:

True, although I'd take your point a bit further, to its source, and extend it back to Diaspora Sikhs, in general.

Diaspora Sikhs suffer from a real lack of a clear, unadulterated, unambiguous identity.

In plain words: they've got an identity crisis.

You won't ever see this level of identity crisis in East Panjaab; the kids in the villages over there know exactly who they are, even if they look like honey chand, and go to pray to a fake baba at a nakli dera.

Nor would you, even to an extent, see this among newer immigrants in B.C. and Italy.

You only see this as purely prevalent among Sikhs wherever they are in a clear minority, but especially so, wherever they are in a minority even among panjaabi speakers in that area. (Muslims are the majority panjaabi speakers in every area of the UK except West London.)

This identity crisis ain't just confined to the youth, alhough, admittedly, they've borne the brunt of it. Nahhh... You can even observe elements of it emerging from the parents.

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Here's just a little clue:

Ever expressed surprise, nay, shock, at how punjabi immigrants, born and raised in East Panjaab, quite clearly fluent in the punjabi language with excellent pronunciation, can "amend" their punjabi accent, all of a sudden, into a horrible mish-mash of brit/canadian and authentic punjabi, at the very moment that they land on foreign shores?

As ridiculous and incredible as it sounds to the human ear, this particular behavioural adaptation is just them adapting to their environment.

And their environment is a horrible mix of unsure identities.

We might hate to hear them make a total mess of the punjabi language, but they're only reflecting the identity crisis within the community that they've landed in.

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There are very few Diaspora Sikhs that are not affected by the muddling up of identities.

Problem is, it only gets worse generation to generation, because this apparent confusion over identity is transmitted down from parents to children, who, unless put straight early on in childhood (e.g. through Khalsa camp/school/academy), end up more confused than their parents.

And all before you know it, you've got one f'd up child; who doesn't know whether they're british or asian; sikh or hindu; indian or khalistani; jat or tharkan; ravidasia or chamar; punjabi or panjabi; doaba or majha or malwa; etc etc etc... Even down to confusion over the identity represented by the type of dastaar that their father wears.

Or even whether any of it matters!

And let me tell you; when it's that confusing, you end up choosing the latter option as it's a lot easier.

It's hard enough trying to juggle two identities, as it is (i.e. the first being british born, and the second being "other/immigrant"), without having only a vague idea, of what the complex "other/immigrant" identity actually is!

In such a situation, blaming muslims for taking advantage of such easy pickings, like kids as confused as this, is like blaming a pack of wolves for devouring your kid's pet rabbit because you left it out of its cage.

Yeah, they shouldn't have. But, then again, it's in their nature.

Rather than pursuing a lawsuit against the pack of wolves after the said massacre, perhaps it's a better idea, in that case, to keep the cage door firmly closed in the first place.

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Diaspora pak muslims, on the other hand, have no such comparable level of identity crisis in the UK.

Islam has an exceptionally strong national identity in the diaspora. Far stronger, in cases (e.g. Europe), than even the national identities of the western countries that the said muslims reside in.

This ain't me bigging up islam. Lol. It can't be bigged up anymore than the prophet and baby aisha, lol

Nah. This is me showing you how a weak, perverse, ridiculous, man-made belief system, carved out from plagiarising erstwhile belief systems, can end up with a stronger national identity than the weak foundations that it's built on.

The biggest world religions are more a means of power, population, and control (i.e. the caliphate, the vatican, the brahmin illuminati), than a means of emancipation.

Even with all it's weaknesses, Islam still manages to unite various adherents better than most identities.

So, there's got to be a reason why such a weak belief system can operate such a deadly hold over it's adherents?

Yep. It's called implementing a clear national identity.

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This is why we need to study and learn from other nationalist concepts about how to successfully implement a national identity.

Islam, and the global "ummah" always spring to mind.

However, the RSS have arguably done better in the last hundred years at propagating the hindutva agenda, especially considering how divided hindu society has always been, on the basis of caste, in comparison to islam. (To their credit, they have recognised caste as a dividing factor, and worked hard at eliminating it (at least at the upper levels) within their own organisation.)

It is said that Gowalkar was so impressed with the propagation of national pride in hitler's germany, that he straight up plagiarised the nazi model, even right down to the f'in names! take RSS for hitler's SS.

Even if you don't like the idea of muslims and hindus; take a look at similar ethnicities fighting for freedom; e.g. the dravidians (dalits) of south india.

Within the last fifty years, they have successfully been able to invent and propagate the value of the so-called "indigenous" dravidian identity (as opposed to that of the north indian aryan "invaders"), amongst not only themselves, but also their neighbours, all under the nose of a pro-aryan, north indian central government! Brahmins can hardly get a foot into power, independently, in Tamil Nadu state anymore, whereas once, as the educated elite, they effectively controlled it.

The maratha's, too, (the original shiv sena), have an exceptionally strong national identity within the confines of a so-called "one nation" India, so much so that they can openly attack north indians with a view to driving them out of maharashtra, and the police in the state doesn't bat an eyelid because it subscribes to the same ideology.

Without going too far from home, you can even look at the arya samaji's of panjaab (the self styled "shiv sena").

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We don't have nearly as strong a national identity as Sikhs in East Panjaab, as those groups listed above have in their respective regions of influence.

Our main problem in East Panjaab is whether to define ourselves as "Punjabi's" (evidently not true, looking at the demographic statistics) or "Sikhs".

This transmits over to the duality (or hypocrisy) of the mostly Sikh-background cops and politicians over there.

They can bend to the will of the united minority in Panjaab (e.g. the shiv sena), and at the same time they're able to fire on their own kith and kin because they know that Sikhs aren't united under one clear national identity (i.e. "Punjabi" or "Sikh"!), so they can easily get away with it.

But that's about as far as the identity problem goes over there. We've got it a hundred times worse, because we have a whole multitude of further intertwined, complex identities to juggle in the Diaspora, which are a result of being a minority at the national level, the ethic minority level, the "asian" level, and even the "punjabi-speaking" level (we're outnumbered by pak muslims even in this last category).

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Your point about the "general Attitude of a lot of Sikh girls" above is just a symptom of the fact that we don't have a clear national identity at this stage in the diaspora; and that, even if one exists (which we know for a fact that it certainly does), we are too afraid to express it outside the Gurdwara.

Until this issue is addressed, I'm afraid that these cases are going to continue coming in by the shedload.

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