Another Muslim Weds Sikh In Gurdwara

[geo]

But not in the name of religion.

Perhaps time for some introspection then?

Thanks, but you don't get to decide that I am sorry. The ones on the receiving end do.

if there were 1.5 billion sikhs worldwide and in several large concentrations then of course there would be greater tensions and wars and killing. christians and jews and hindus and muslims have all committed religious violence against others. even buddhists, who are generally regarded as very peaceful and calm people have been involved in attrocities in myanmar/burma

[Mehtab Singh]

inter faith marriages are on the increase, there is no stopping it.

if there were 1.5 billion sikhs worldwide and in several large concentrations then of course there would be greater tensions and wars and killing.

Those are both your own personal opinions, which anyone and everyone is free to hang on to.

[geo]

Those are both your own personal opinions, which anyone and everyone is free to hang on to.

i dont think they count only as opinions.

interfaith marriages are on the increase. this is a fact, not opinion. im not only talking about sikh related inter faith marriages - all faiths and races are increasingly having more "mixed" weddings.

and secondly clearly if there were 1.5 billion sikhs worldwide living in places and mixing with other clearly there would be more tensions and killings involving sikhs - how can this not be the case. wether sikhs are mainly the victims or the aggressors - there would be more negative stories as even if sikhs were initially the victims they would stand up and fight. this may lead to them being called terrorists by others, or freedom fighters by others.

[Mehtab Singh]

i dont think they count only as opinions.

interfaith marriages are on the increase. this is a fact, not opinion. im not only talking about sikh related inter faith marriages - all faiths and races are increasingly having more "mixed" weddings.

and secondly clearly if there were 1.5 billion sikhs worldwide living in places and mixing with other clearly there would be more tensions and killings involving sikhs - how can this not be the case. wether sikhs are mainly the victims or the aggressors - there would be more negative stories as even if sikhs were initially the victims they would stand up and fight. this may lead to them being called terrorists by others, or freedom fighters by others.

Firstly, if other faiths are conducting inter-religious marriages, we wish them all the best and hope all the joys of life come their way. As per Dasam Pita's Hukam (out of the 52), a Sikh can marry only a Sikh.

Secondly, if there were 1.5 billion Sikhs worldwide, there would definitely be more internal issues/disagreements, its human nature! But we won't start restricting other Sikhs from entering certain Gurduaras just because of a disagreement (so-called lower castes were never allowed int Hindu temples), nor would a Sikh go about blowing up Gurughars where people of a different Jathebandi visited (Shia-Sunni blowing up each other's mosques). So by that logic, NO, there would NOT be more chaos on this planet if there were 1.5 billion Sikhs.

[Char]

You know what this militant attitude is really a bit distasteful, it's a great way to push people away from sikhism by telling people the door isn't open, they aren't sikh enough, their marriage isn't valid if they married a non sikh. People find their own way to god, pushing with a bullying narrative is not going to encourage anyone to learn more.

Inter faith marriages are a fact of life, how about teaching people with kindness and compassion rather than vitriol. How about for example a non sikh (say an agnostic) who gets married in a gudwara to a Sikh, what would have been gained by excluding the Sikh partner from the Anand Karaj, something they care about deeply on the basis that their partner isn't sikh. Their marriage is no less real or meaningful, their vows to god and to their husband/wife are no less heartfelt, are we seriously saying that their marriage can't/shouldnt be recognised by God because one of them isn't Sikh?

[Mehtab Singh]

You know what this militant attitude is really a bit distasteful, it's a great way to push people away from sikhism by telling people the door isn't open, they aren't sikh enough, their marriage isn't valid if they married a non sikh. People find their own way to god, pushing with a bullying narrative is not going to encourage anyone to learn more.

Inter faith marriages are a fact of life, how about teaching people with kindness and compassion rather than vitriol. How about for example a non sikh (say an agnostic) who gets married in a gudwara to a Sikh, what would have been gained by excluding the Sikh partner from the Anand Karaj, something they care about deeply on the basis that their partner isn't sikh. Their marriage is no less real or meaningful, their vows to god and to their husband/wife are no less heartfelt, are we seriously saying that their marriage can't/shouldnt be recognised by God because one of them isn't Sikh?

Militant attitude? Since when is standing up for your faith a "militant attitude"? Perhaps this is why Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale was also branded as a terrorist by the Indian regime, like he cared.

I repeat, we wish them all the best and hope all the joys of life come their way.

Let me tell you something, with a lot of love and compassion, and STRAIGHT from Gurbani.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਪਵਣੁ ਵਹੈ ਸਦਵਾਉ ॥

In the Fear of God, the wind and breezes ever blow.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਲਖ ਦਰੀਆਉ ॥

In the Fear of God, thousands of rivers flow.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਅਗਨਿ ਕਢੈ ਵੇਗਾਰਿ ॥

In the Fear of God, fire is forced to labor.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਦਬੀ ਭਾਰਿ ॥

In the Fear of God, the earth is crushed under its burden.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਇੰਦੁ ਫਿਰੈ ਸਿਰ ਭਾਰਿ ॥

In the Fear of God, the clouds move across the sky.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਰਾਜਾ ਧਰਮ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥

In the Fear of God, the Righteous Judge of Dharma stands at His Door.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸੂਰਜੁ ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਚੰਦੁ ॥

In the Fear of God, the sun shines, and in the Fear of God, the moon reflects.

ਕੋਹ ਕਰੋੜੀ ਚਲਤ ਨ ਅੰਤੁ ॥

They travel millions of miles, endlessly.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸਿਧ ਬੁਧ ਸੁਰ ਨਾਥ ॥

In the Fear of God, the Siddhas exist, as do the Buddhas, the demi-gods and Yogis.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਡਾਣੇ ਆਕਾਸ ॥

In the Fear of God, the Akaashic ethers are stretched across the sky.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੋਧ ਮਹਾਬਲ ਸੂਰ ॥

In the Fear of God, the warriors and the most powerful heroes exist.

ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਜਾਵਹਿ ਪੂਰ ॥

In the Fear of God, multitudes come and go.

ਸਗਲਿਆ ਭਉ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਸਿਰਿ ਲੇਖੁ ॥

God has inscribed the Inscription of His Fear upon the heads of all.

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਸਚੁ ਏਕੁ ॥੧॥

O Nanak, the Fearless Lord, the Formless Lord, the True Lord, is One. ||1||

In Sikhi its all about discipline. The fact that our people have turned slack in their Rehit and have become easy-going, the fact that they want Sikhi to be ਖੁੱਲੀ-ਡੁੱਲੀ according to their own tastes is the reason why we have people (both Sikhs and non-Sikhs) always questioning and doubting every other thing these days. If the entire creation is following a discipline created by Vaheguru Himself, what is wrong in living a disciplined life and to get married based on a discipline?

Those who choose to inter-marry, for the third time, I repeat, we wish them all the best and hope all the joys of life come their way. At the same time, if they choose to disobey the discipline of only Sikhs being married in the paavan-pavittar hajuri of Dhann Dhann Sahib Sri Guru Sahib Ji Maharaj, no one is under any obligation to allow them to do what they want.

Its not upto us to decide if God approves of such a marriage. But the commandments we (atleast we Sikhs) have from the Guru Sahibaan in Gurbani are the most pristine and ultimate commandments from the Divine which we adhere to. Anyone who chooses not to, is free to do so. But they better not expect to walk over those who are committed to this discipline.

We are in no way pushing people away from Sikhi. To be honest, these guys are pushing Sikhi away from themselves as they refuse to abide by the basic tenets. Sorry to be blunt, but if someone calls himself/herself a Sikh, it means he/she follows (or tries to follow) a code of conduct laid out by Guru Sahib. If not, then why call yourself something you are not? In the modern world its another form of plagiarism!

[Char]

Ok Mehtab I entirely accept what you are saying, thank you for expanding on that. Genuine question what does the Guru Granth Sahib Ji say about this issue?

[Mehtab Singh]

Please read all of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee.

[geo]

Militant attitude? Since when is standing up for your faith a "militant attitude"? Perhaps this is why Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale was also branded as a terrorist by the Indian regime, like he cared.

I repeat, we wish them all the best and hope all the joys of life come their way.

Let me tell you something, with a lot of love and compassion, and STRAIGHT from Gurbani.

In Sikhi its all about discipline. The fact that our people have turned slack in their Rehit and have become easy-going, the fact that they want Sikhi to be ਖੁੱਲੀ-ਡੁੱਲੀ according to their own tastes is the reason why we have people (both Sikhs and non-Sikhs) always questioning and doubting every other thing these days. If the entire creation is following a discipline created by Vaheguru Himself, what is wrong in living a disciplined life and to get married based on a discipline?

Those who choose to inter-marry, for the third time, I repeat, we wish them all the best and hope all the joys of life come their way. At the same time, if they choose to disobey the discipline of only Sikhs being married in the paavan-pavittar hajuri of Dhann Dhann Sahib Sri Guru Sahib Ji Maharaj, no one is under any obligation to allow them to do what they want.

Its not upto us to decide if God approves of such a marriage. But the commandments we (atleast we Sikhs) have from the Guru Sahibaan in Gurbani are the most pristine and ultimate commandments from the Divine which we adhere to. Anyone who chooses not to, is free to do so. But they better not expect to walk over those who are committed to this discipline.

We are in no way pushing people away from Sikhi. To be honest, these guys are pushing Sikhi away from themselves as they refuse to abide by the basic tenets. Sorry to be blunt, but if someone calls himself/herself a Sikh, it means he/she follows (or tries to follow) a code of conduct laid out by Guru Sahib. If not, then why call yourself something you are not? In the modern world its another form of plagiarism!

i understand your point but i ask this: what about the thousands of "sikhs" getting married each year who are not "sikhs" ie they eat meat/drink alcohol/drugs/gamble/smoke/cut hair/sex before marriage and a hundred other things. why are they allowed to get married in in front of sggs ji?

why not introduce as a minimum that they should attend the gurdwara and declare that the have not or do not or will not any longer do these things? of course no one can enforce it afterwards but at least people will know what was declared and how well the person is living up to their guarantees. i will leave the fine tuning of this to someone else.

[YOYO29]

Firstly, if other faiths are conducting inter-religious marriages, we wish them all the best and hope all the joys of life come their way. As per Dasam Pita's Hukam (out of the 52), a Sikh can marry only a Sikh.

Secondly, if there were 1.5 billion Sikhs worldwide, there would definitely be more internal issues/disagreements, its human nature! But we won't start restricting other Sikhs from entering certain Gurduaras just because of a disagreement (so-called lower castes were never allowed int Hindu temples), nor would a Sikh go about blowing up Gurughars where people of a different Jathebandi visited (Shia-Sunni blowing up each other's mosques). So by that logic, NO, there would NOT be more chaos on this planet if there were 1.5 billion Sikhs.

So what about Nirankaris and Sant Bhindrawale clashes took place in 80s.