Bbc One Must Watch -Sikh Girls Groomed By Muslims

[ghettosikh]

i hate watching these programs they really sadden me it made me so mad when the poor girl said the muslim guy was wearing a kara and had another guy taking pics of them why do they go to such great lengths to do these things to us why so much hate for us, we r such a peace loving community who treat everyone as equals wat did we do to them for them to be doings these things against us? it really breaks my heart thinking of the parents of these young girls they came to the uk for a better life but the problems they encounter r so different and alien to the ones back home. how the hell r we supposed to tackle this issue mean awareness is key but since these guys r posing as sikhs makes it even more harder I think of my younger female cousins n think about what if they have to face these problems when there older n i swear i feel like going crazy what kind of normal person would even think of doing this to a child. I myself am nice to and tolerate muslims but its really changing my views n i have sent this program to all my friends.

[Sikh_Awareness_Society]

Sadh Sangat jee,

The program is now available on iPlayer.

Please share with friends and family.

Please talk to youngsters in your families about the issues raised.

We are humbled by your support and your love.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b039kmx6/Inside_Out_London_02_09_2013/

[chatanga]

You think Hindus in the UK are trying to groom Sikh girls? I have never seen such a case.

Yes I agree that some Hindus in India are anti Sikh especially politicians, but Hindus in the UK pose little to no danger to Sikhs in the UK.

The Hindus are not just as anti sikh as the muslims, I'm sorry but that is an extremely foolish thing to say. I've seen Hindus come to the gurdwara many times, never would a muslim come to the gurdwara.

If I have a daughter , I would not be worried about her being targeted by Hindu grooming gangs. Even the liberal muslims have an agenda of some sorts to convert non muslims, if they find a weak minded Sikh girl or boy then they will exploit them.

I would not be happy if my sister married a non sikh, but would be extra annoyed her partner is a muslim, but thankfully that won't happen as she has been raised well.

I wasnt refering to any grooming, but your implication that it seems ok for a sikh girl to marry a hindu, but definitely not a muslim.

But the end result would still be the same wouldnt it? your sister giving birth to non-sikhs, whether she married a hindu or a muslim. why discriminate between the two?

Many posters on here are by default blaming "liberal parenting". I would say that there are also a few cases of very strict Sikh families whose daughters have 'run away' with the usual suspects. If you're too strict in your upbringing, you're also just as likely to be vulnerable due to lack of street-wise common sense. Only a few years ago the Singhs had to break down the doors of a house in Birmingham to rescue a 17 yr old amritdhari women who had been brainwashed by the usual suspects. Her family were amritdhari as well. It blew apart the notion that only "liberal" sikh families are affected by grooming. Open your minds a little.

There are a number of factors, preventative measures that can/may help.

good education of sikhi

strong family unit, where parents and children are allowed to question aspects of belief without fear.

helping youngsters to build strong same faith friendship groups.

not to be extreme in religious practice or avoidance of it.

any others.

What we want to avoid is instilling in our children a fear of certain communities, as in UK, they may be interacting with these communties as they grow up.

[j2o]

I wasnt refering to any grooming, but your implication that it seems ok for a sikh girl to marry a hindu, but definitely not a muslim.

But the end result would still be the same wouldnt it? your sister giving birth to non-sikhs, whether she married a hindu or a muslim. why discriminate between the two?

There are a number of factors, preventative measures that can/may help.

good education of sikhi

strong family unit, where parents and children are allowed to question aspects of belief without fear.

helping youngsters to build strong same faith friendship groups.

not to be extreme in religious practice or avoidance of it.

any others.

What we want to avoid is instilling in our children a fear of certain communities, as in UK, they may be interacting with these communties as they grow up.

Your 2 points in bold go hand in hand with one another too frequently. This is one reason girls are not communicating with their parents and look for avenues of excitment away from the family home. Unfortunately many of these avenues are directly in to the hands of these lying peadophile rapist pakis. Parents who are too over bearing and strict on their children need to wake up and look in the mirror

As I said - it's one of the reasons, not the only reason

[Ranjeet01]

"I wasnt refering to any grooming, but your implication that it seems ok for a sikh girl to marry a hindu, but definitely not a muslim."

Because technically the identity is not directly threatened, the girl would have to convert to the Muslim, not necessary with a Hindu. A Sikh girl who marries a Muslim will be ostracised by her family, but marrying a Hindu is not seen as threatening which means the future grandchildren will still interact with their nanke, even go to gurdwara.

I have personally known of a couple of Sikh women that have married white men who have converted to Sikhi, they keep kesh and I see them at my local gurdwara. The question is if Sikh women were involved with men from outside the community and brought them into the fold, would that make a difference?

We could adopt what the Jewish community do which is that if a Jewish woman marries a non-Jewish man and they have children, then those children will follow the faith of the mother.

[Shamshere]

Look in most cases of mixed white - indian marriages, the offspring marry another white person.

It's rare for a mixed race indian/white child to marry a full blooded indian. Think about it, we live in a country which is mostly white.

[Ranjeet01]

Not too sure about that, I guess it depends how firm the Indian side is. I know a couple of mixed race kids and they more in touch with their Sikh roots then you realise. I know of a Sikh male that married a Afro-Caribbean woman and they have kids. All the kids speak Punjabi and their sons retain kesh. My brother has a friend whose Mother is Sikh and father is white and he is always in touch with his Sikh roots.

[taran0]

back to topic - vulnerable young girls are being targeted, groomed, drugged, blackmailed and raped

In most of the cases the first the parents find out about their daughters being groomed is when they disapear and fail to return home from school, college

by this time its too late, in a lot of the cases when the parents go to the police - the girl either says she loves the guy or claims her parents are forcing her into marriage so she gets put in care

which removes the girls from their families safety and the groomers have free access.

listen to this interview of this white girl- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01ftl7m

this was also related to this news story - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23820054

Rotherham councillor Jahangir Akhtar steps down over claims

Allegations against Jahangir Akhtar have been referred to the police

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The deputy leader of Rotherham Council has stepped down over claims he knew about a relationship between a girl in care and a suspected child abuser.

Jahangir Akhtar's decision follows the publication of one woman's account of being allowed contact with the alleged abuser from 1999, when aged 14.

The Times newspaper reported Mr Akhtar isrelated to the alleged offender and was aware of their relationship.

Mr Akhtar said he was resigning out of "courtesy". He denies the claims.

The Labour councillor said he was also standing down as vice-chairman of the Police and Crime Panel, which scrutinises the local force.

Mr Akhtar said: "I am standing down temporarily as deputy leader of the Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council and as vice-chairman of the Police and Crime Panel as a matter of courtesy to those agencies to resolve any inquiry as quickly as possible."

[taran0]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3857894.ece

‘Rising tensions ’ between Muslims and Sikhs over hidden pattern of sex grooming
Shame is an issue, says Mohan Singh, head of the Sikh Awareness Society

Times photographer, Paul Rogers

• Shame is an issue, says Mohan Singh, head of the Sikh Awareness SocietyTimes photographer, Paul Rogers

Andrew Norfolk

Published at 12:01AM, September 2 2013

Outrage over a hidden pattern of sex grooming triggered a mob attack on a restaurant and fears of escalating tension between Sikh and Muslim communities.

The restaurant targeted during vigilante action in Leicester was loosely linked to the abuse of a 16-year-old Sikh girl by a group of Muslim men.

Six adults were jailed on Friday for offences against the teenager including internal trafficking, facilitating child prostitution, inciting child pornography and paying for the sexual services of a child.

Their prosecution is thought to be the first in which a sex-grooming network has been convicted of crimes against a Sikh victim. Recent trials have exposed the abuse of white girls by street-grooming rings, mostly of Pakistani origin. Campaigners claim that child protection authorities have failed to recognise a similar targeting of Sikh children.

The crime model is under-reported, they say, partly due to the shame felt by Sikh families whose children fall victim to grooming gangs, but also because concerns are often mistakenly dismissed by agencies as “Sikhs complaining because they don’t like their daughter having a Muslim boyfriend”.

Early this year, word spread within Sikh communities about the case that led to last week’s sentencing. Rumours falsely suggested that police knew that a Sikh girl was being used for sex by Muslims but were refusing to intervene.The reality, said Detective Superintendent David Sandall, head of safeguarding at Leicestershire Constabulary, was that an inquiry had been launched but the 16-year-old victim had not yet given police a filmed interview.

In January, 50 Sikh men, some carrying knives, metal bars and bricks, attacked the Moghul Durbar restaurant in Leicester. Some of the girl’s abuse took place in a flat attached to the premises. Innocent staff and diners were attacked, three of them stabbed, and the restaurant was ransacked.

Seven men from Derby and Birmingham, of previous good character, were jailed for two years each for violent disorder. A judge described the attack as “mob rule” and “lawless anarchy”.

Their anger was fuelled by concern over the handling of previous cases. Last year, The Times visited a Sikh family in the West Midlands whose pleas for help from police and social services fell on deaf ears. Mohan Singh, head of the Sikh Awareness Society, travels the country to give public talks about the issue. His organisation runs a helpline and is dealing with 19 current cases around the country.“We have dealt with 600 cases over 15 years. In the 50 worst cases it was more than one man, all of them Muslims,” he said. “Shame is a major issue. People don’t want to go to the police so they come to us.”

Most child-sex offenders in Britain are white men, usually acting alone, but there are perpetrators from all religious backgrounds including Christians, Hindus and Sikhs. Muslims have, however, been significantly over-represented among networks convicted in recent years of street-grooming crimes against teenagers.

Five of the six men convicted last week in Leicester were Muslim and one was Hindu. Ashish Joshi, chairman of the Sikh Media Monitoring Group, said such gangs typically targeted girls “from outside their community”. He added: “They go for white, Sikh or Hindu girls because a small sub-section of the Muslim community holds the prejudiced view that non-Muslim girls are not to be respected like girls from their own community.”

In a BBC One film to be shown this evening, Sikh girls speak of being groomed for abuse by Muslims. who at first posed as Sikhs to win their trust.

Also interviewed is Ibrahim Mogra, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, who says that such crimes are abhorrent but warns that “unsubstantiated allegations” about the targeting of Sikh children may cause “tensions between our communities”. It was “very wrong for society to blame a whole community”.

Inside Out, a special investigation into the exploitation of Sikh girls, will be shown at 7.30pm. The full half-hour film will be broadcast nationally on BBC One HD and regionally on BBC One London. A shorter version will be shown in other areas of the country.

[chatanga]

"I wasnt refering to any grooming, but your implication that it seems ok for a sikh girl to marry a hindu, but definitely not a muslim."

Because technically the identity is not directly threatened, the girl would have to convert to the Muslim, not necessary with a Hindu. A Sikh girl who marries a Muslim will be ostracised by her family, but marrying a Hindu is not seen as threatening which means the future grandchildren will still interact with their nanke, even go to gurdwara.

i met a muslim man, who's mother is a sikh, apart from the nominal conversion at marriage, she has remained a sikh, but this young man identified himself as a muslim, even though he goes to the gurdwara every now and again.

look at some examples of sikh women who married hindus, manmohan singhs daughters, are their kids Sikhs? what about maneka Gandhi, are her kids Sikhs? No and no.

i wasnt getting at the identity of the mother, but the identity of the future children of such marriages. muslims or hindu, the kids wont be sikhs.