Bbc One Must Watch -Sikh Girls Groomed By Muslims

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[Jeevan]

WaheGuru Ji Khalsa, WaheGuru Ji Ke Fateh, This Param Singh really does seem a Number One traitor to the Sikh Quam, at least Judas from the Bible did the honourable thing after he betrayed Jesus. I have never read in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, "After the betrayal of Jesus to the Roman authorities, Judas was seized with remorse and then took his 30 pieces of silver and employed Goldstein, Goldman & Hoffman of Jersusalem to launch a robust legal defence of Jesus, and at the same time Judas employed a PR company located in Nazareth to go on a damage limitation exercise, on the contrary Matthew 27 (New International Version) states:-

27 Early in the morning, all the chief priests and the elders of the people made their plans how to have Jesus executed. ² So they bound him, led him away and handed him over to Pilate the governor.

³ When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. ⁴ “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”

“What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”

⁵ So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself…

[Ranjeet01]

"However, these are not the acts of religious people....... No religious text supports or condones child sexual
grooming, and anybody who commits such acts cannot be said to be a member of a religious faith."

Common PR tactic, they have to say something like that even though we all know otherwise. I imagine they don't want to be sued for making an "offensive" statement even if it is true, people are scared of being sued. Media generally is scared to called "a spade a spade" because of the libel cases.

However, the biggest enemy we Sikhs have are these pappu Sikhs that seem to be kind on the left wing, and are quite camp and feminine. Why can't there be some masculine Sikh Males on the media. The spokesperson of CIty Sikhs has been on BBC shows (The Big Question) with the most oddest posh accent I have ever heard

Another example is Sunny Hundal. If you follow his twitter feeds, he said that the SAS were irresponsible for taking things into their own hands and that they are not trained social workers.

They most certainly do not represent the vast majority of Sikhs, but we need to marginalise these types. We need more media savvy, pro-Sikh Sikhs. Unfortunately the media is dominated by the limpwristed, camp types where homosexuality is the norm and these are types of SIkhs they like to promote such as the BBC, Guardian,Channel 4. Ideally as SIkhs we should not be representing any right wing or left wing views, we should be representing the Sikh view.

If there are any young Sikhs who is a good writer and has a blog and wants to be a journalist, go for it. We must not allow the pappus dominate the narrative, they tend to do more damage than good.

[Hammertime007]

Im not sure why"city Sikh Network" carry the name Sikh, they do nothing for us, there is no Sikh agenda just parties and business meetings, anything important they do comment on like grooming, they fail to deal with, just a very light hearted left wing view. Heres Parnam and co at a so called CSN function.

[HSD2]

There is nothing in the Bible or Constitution or Magna Carta about using drones either, so why are muslims so upset about people randomly blowing up in Pakistan/Yemen/Afghanistan?

[Jonny101]

"However, these are not the acts of religious people....... No religious text supports or condones child sexual

grooming, and anybody who commits such acts cannot be said to be a member of a religious faith."

Common PR tactic, they have to say something like that even though we all know otherwise. I imagine they don't want to be sued for making an "offensive" statement even if it is true, people are scared of being sued. Media generally is scared to called "a spade a spade" because of the libel cases.

However, the biggest enemy we Sikhs have are these pappu Sikhs that seem to be kind on the left wing, and are quite camp and feminine. Why can't there be some masculine Sikh Males on the media. The spokesperson of CIty Sikhs has been on BBC shows (The Big Question) with the most oddest posh accent I have ever heard

Another example is Sunny Hundal. If you follow his twitter feeds, he said that the SAS were irresponsible for taking things into their own hands and that they are not trained social workers.

They most certainly do not represent the vast majority of Sikhs, but we need to marginalise these types. We need more media savvy, pro-Sikh Sikhs. Unfortunately the media is dominated by the limpwristed, camp types where homosexuality is the norm and these are types of SIkhs they like to promote such as the BBC, Guardian,Channel 4. Ideally as SIkhs we should not be representing any right wing or left wing views, we should be representing the Sikh view.

If there are any young Sikhs who is a good writer and has a blog and wants to be a journalist, go for it. We must not allow the pappus dominate the narrative, they tend to do more damage than good.

Right on, Sikhs should not be represented in the media by this ultra PC crowd who act so feminine (almost border lining homosexuals) that one wonders "are these descendants of the great Sikh warriors of the past?"

SAS is doing a great job. They are the ones who should be supported and encouraged to go to the media to represent Sikh view.

[taran0]

This is a really interesting view on the subject and this time its a muslim imam who is also sharing the same concerns.

the same Imam - Dr Taj Hargey who features in this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10061217/Imams-promote-grooming-rings-Muslim-leader-claims.html

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The Oxford grooming ring was promoted by imams who encourage followers to think white women deserve to be “punished”, an Islamic leader has claimed.

The guest house was linked to the Oxford sex gang. Left to right, top: Akhtar Dogar, Anjum Dogar, Kamar Jamil, Assad Hussain. Bottom: Mohammed Karrar, Bassam Karrar and Zeeshan Ahmed Photo: PA

By Hayley Dixon

10:33AM BST 16 May 2013

Dr Taj Hargey, imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation, said race and religion were inextricably linked to the recent spate of grooming rings in which Muslim men have targeted under-age white girls.

Earlier this week seven members of a child sex ring from Oxford were found guilty of forcing under age girls to commit acts of "extreme depravity".

Their victims, aged between 11 and 15, were groomed and plied with alcohol and drugs before being sexually assaulted and forced into prostitution. They targeted "out of control" teenagers.

Dr Hargey said that the case brought shame on the city and the community and is a set back for cross community harmony.

But worse still is the refusal to face up to its realities, he wrote in the Daily Mail.

The activities of the Oxford sex ring are “bound up with religion and race” because all the men - though of different nationalities - were Muslim and they “deliberately targeted vulnerable white girls, whom they appeared to regard as 'easy meat', to use one of their revealing, racist phrases”, Dr Hargey said.

That attitude has been promoted by religious leaders, he believes. “On one level, most imams in the UK are simply using their puritanical sermons to promote the wearing of the hijab and even the burka among their female adherents. But the dire result can be the brutish misogyny we see in the Oxford sex ring.”

People tiptoe around the issues and refuse to discuss the problems exposed by the scandals such as those “from Rochdale to Oxford, and Telford to Derby”, he wrote.

In all cases the perpetrators were Muslim men and the victims were under age white girls.

To pretend it is not a problem is the Islamic community is “ideological denial”, Dr Hargey said.

“But then part of the reason this scandal happened at all is precisely because of such politically correct thinking. All the agencies of the state, including the police, the social services and the care system, seemed eager to ignore the sickening exploitation that was happening before their eyes.

“Terrified of accusations of racism, desperate not to undermine the official creed of cultural diversity, they took no action against obvious abuse.”

The men were allowed, he said, to come and go from care homes by the authorities, and if the situation had been reversed with gangs of white men preying on Muslim teenagers ”the state's agencies would have acted with greater alacrity.”

True Islam preaches respect for women but in mosques across the country a different doctrine is preached - “one that denigrates all women, but treats whites with particular contempt,” the Imam said.

The men are taught that women are “second-class citizens, little more than chattels or possessions over whom they have absolute authority," he claims in the column.

“The view of some Islamic preachers towards white women can be appalling. They encourage their followers to believe that these women are habitually promiscuous, decadent, and sleazy — sins which are made all the worse by the fact that they are kaffurs or non-believers.

“Their dress code, from miniskirts to sleeveless tops, is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook. According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded.”

Such cases can only be prevented in the future if Britain abandons the blinkers of political correctness, he concludes.

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[AmanSingh1867]

you hit the nail on the hEAD !

older generation punjabis were always taught to keep emotions hidden, and fulfill your duty - which they do like soldiers - but they aren't able to share things emotionally or tell their kids they love them, because of all the crap they have had to go through in life

all kids want is their elders and parents to spend time with them , be their friend and value them

If you want to advise a young person or steer them on what to do in life - YOU HAVE TO FIRST EARN THEIR RESPECT AND TRUST !

With regards to the bold part, my father has never once in my lifetime told me that he loves me. He has not uttered those words to my brother or sister either.

I know by the way he acts that he does, and actions speak louder than words. He works his butt off to make sure we are in a position to succeed, he has told us before that he is proud of us, that he wants the best for us, but he shows very little emotion, that emotional connection just isn't there. It would be nice to hear those words at least once out of his mouth. And because of his withdrawn feelings, I have a very hard time talking to him about deep/personal issues. If I wanted career/educational advice, my dad was always the person to go to. But as far as relationships and especially dealings with the opposite sex are concerned, I cannot bring any of that up with him, it would be far too awkward, we have never been able to talk about those things. It is sad because 90% of our conversations are based around something to do with jobs/career, Uni/education, it is embarrassing to admit but it has gotten to the point where I try to avoid him as much as possible just because I am tired of talking about the same old things over and over again. I am glad he takes an interest in my professional life, but it is really suffocating at times, I wish he'd let me figure things out on my own instead of breathing down my neck all the time.

What angers me the most is that he has lived such an amazing life, coming from an ordinary family in a poor village in Punjab around the time of the partition, he made something of himself and did not settle for a meager existence, worked harder than everyone around him in school and got acceptance into a program in the UK, lived/worked/studied there for 20-something years and is now in Canada. I know almost nothing about his life story, I wish I did, I wish he would tell me what it was like to leave everything behind and go to a whole new part of the world and start from scratch, not once but twice, but he never brings it up.

You are right about the friends thing, our mother is like a friend and we can talk to her about most things, but it isn't like that with dad.

[lsingh]

It seems a lot of parents are very poor at teaching life skills to children , maybe they do not know themselves. The focus for many is only getting a good academic education and job for their kids and looking good in front of The lack of life skills often leads to relationship problems within families and for children in marriages. I have noticed many who will immediately discuss Bollywood films but seem reluctant to mention the BBC program, it seems there is a reluctance to confront difficult issues impacting the Panth and only deal with things when it is to late. We need the kids to learn their religion, history and life skills to make them feel proud to be Sikhs and judge threats to them and other Sikhs.