Bbc One Must Watch -Sikh Girls Groomed By Muslims

[Hindustani]

Make it a point that everytime you see a sikh girl with a moslem guy call the girls family and tell them. That should up the pressure. And lot of these relationships can be nipped in the bud. If you see the reverse encourage the girl to sikhism, and show how modern, relaxed you are but still firm in your faith. Moslems from the subcontinent are deeply effected by indian culture whether they admit it or not.

[Mehtab Singh]

everytime you see a sikh girl with a moslem guy call the girls family and tell them. That should up the pressure. If you see the reverse encourage the girl to sikhism

Why not inform the Muslim girl's parents as well? Sorry but that makes us look as hypocritical as those we're fighting.

[Jonny101]

Why not inform the Muslim girl's parents as well? Sorry but that makes us look as hypocritical as those we're fighting.

True. We do not subscribe to love Jihad. We should not use their tactics.

[Hindustani]

I respect and understand your point of view. But do you know what stops a bully sometimes? When he/she gets the same in return. Partition is the perfect example. After months of mass killings, abductions, ethnic cleansing of sikhs and hindus the moslems finally started to get the same in return. And the violence stopped very quickly. It was hypocritical but you have to look at the greater picture sometimes. Whats more important hypocrisy or the survival of the kaum? Nobody is saying go out and find moslem women.

[AmanSingh1867]

What I dont get is why Sikh girls are so trusting of Muslims in the first place? Nearly everyday Muslims are on the news for a terrorist attack, grooming, drug dealing and many other crimes.

Yet Sikh girls are oblivious to these stories.

I think these kinds of cases happen in all family situations.

But I suspect that the overwhelming majority of cases happen when the family unit is all girls or the family has no older sibling to look out for their sisters.

When this is the case - They are very Vulnerable to muslims predators. In the same circumstance. Muslim family unit be it girls or boys. they have a much stronger family network then Sikhs. Ie Many cousins will look out for their cousin sisters ect.

Many Sikh families are made up of 1 or 2 kids. hence there is a good chance their is no older brother in the family unit or no male offspring. This is what the Muslims go for. As they know their will be no older brother looking out for their sisters and thats when they attack with devestating concesquences.

Many are left either in brothels, in a mixed religion marriage or addicted to drugs. While the Muslims just laugh!

I spent one summer in the UK a few years ago, after that I've been extremely grateful that my parents chose to settle in Canada over Britain. Most British-born Punjabis in the UK have very little attachment to their roots, they've completely forgotten where they come from. Most of the guys I met wanted to be like the black guys, most of the girls were trying way too hard to be like white girls, no one wants to be Punjabi anymore. And don't even get me started on their attitudes towards Sikhi. The guys still exhibited some level of loyalty towards the Panth, but the girls, I'm sorry to say it but they seem like a lost cause for the most part. This is just based on my experiences though, someone who has lived their entire life in the UK knows better. These girls that run around with Muslims are not Sikh- they are Atheist/Agnostic Punjabi females who were born in Sikh families. 90%+ of the time, they don't even have basic Sikhi knowledge.

With regards to the BBC documentary on the grooming cases, remember that girl who went with that guy and got a hotel room? And then she said her drink had been spiked and he had slept with her? Would a girl who had respect for her Sikhi be running around behind her families back with a guy she barely knows and getting a hotel room with him? What did she think was going to happen in that room, that they were going to play bingo?

Make it a point that everytime you see a sikh girl with a moslem guy call the girls family and tell them. That should up the pressure. And lot of these relationships can be nipped in the bud. If you see the reverse encourage the girl to sikhism, and show how modern, relaxed you are but still firm in your faith. Moslems from the subcontinent are deeply effected by indian culture whether they admit it or not.

How do you distinguish between a Mona Sikh and a non-beareded Muslim??

BTW I do not know how effective telling the girl's family would be. Most of these girls likely have Hollywood/Bollywood fantasies floating around in their heads, the fact that it is taboo appeals to them, they want their life to be like what they see on the big screen. Even if you told the family, methinks that they'd still see the guy, just do a better job of keeping it a secret. Why hasn't there been an emergence of a group like Shere-Punjab in 21st century Britain? Wouldn't that work better than anything else?

[Ranjeet01]

My father used to tell me one thing," before you look at the girl, look the mother". That tells you something. This is an old Punjabi saying. For all a Middle aged Sikh males faults, there are certain things he will not be able to relate to with his daughter, particularly a teenage girl, so I imagine a leaves a lot of that kind of stuff to the mother.

The question, is where are the mothers in all this. What kind of female role model example are they setting?

[Hindustani]

A simple regulatory scheme should be enacted by parents. First, we know for certain that kids will date regardless of what parents, places of worship, religious scriptures or culture says. Now, parents need to turn this around. Give the children the ability to date but within certain parameters. You will see that your kids will appreciate the parents flexibility and open mindness on the issue of dating. In return you will get children that will find sikh mates.

My uncle did that with his 3 kids. Gave them an opportunity to date (didnt like it) but did it anyways and said please please try to find yourself a sikh mate. And it worked.

[Big_Tera]

I think some people here are blaming the parents way to much! The main problem is the parents are the last to know about theses relationships. The girls are very good at hiding these relationships in colleges and in universities.

The first step is for the parents themselves to check on their kids at schools and colleges to make sure their kids are not with the wrong crowd and in these inter-faith relationships.This is what Muslims are very good at. I remember when I was at college the Muslims parents would often come to college to check on their kids to see if they were getting up to no good. and not dating anyone and everyone.

Nowaday the parents are so busy at work. they just leave their kids at college . dont check up on them. hence the Sikh girls can continue to hide the relationships very deviously behind the parents back. And the parents only find out about the relationships when its to late and the girls is in a brothel or on drugs.

Parents defiantly need to be more proactive this goes for older brothers to.

There is no excuse no for parents not to check up on their kids. As people are more aware about the grooming thats going on.

Before they though their kids were angels studying hard. but thats not the case. Sikh girls need to come down a peg or two.. instead of them dictating to their parents.

[Hindustani]

Here is a documentary about syrian refugees in neighbouring countries. These women and children are extremely vulnerable because moslem gangs are preying upon them for prostitution and temporary marriages. The sons, fathers and husbands of these women are dead in the civil war and rich gulf moslems are literally attacking these camps to get it. Its disgusting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGn6HORTN9w

[Jeevan]

My question to the British Police what's there to consider? Police consider disciplining officer accused of grooming teenage girl

Matthew Rees remains suspended from duty after Crown Prosecution Service drop charges against him

• Sandra Laville
• theguardian.com, Wednesday 18 September 2013 17.03 BST

Matthew Rees remains suspended from duty as a constable with the City of London police. Photograph: Martin Rose/Eastnews Press Agency/Peter Lawson/Eastnews Press Agency

A police force is considering disciplinary action against an officer accused of "grooming" a teenage girl following an investigation by social services.

Matthew Rees, 32, remains suspended from duty as a constable with the City of London Police while senior officers consider misconduct charges against him.

The officer, who has denied any wrongdoing, was arrested in December last year and charged with possessing indecent images of a child after explicit pictures of the girl were found on his phone.

A social services report, seen by the Guardian, concluded that Rees had subjected the girl – whom he met when she was 15 at their local swimming club – to a "powerful process" of grooming.

But the Crown Prosecution Service abandoned the case this week after a judge at Chelmsford crown court asked them to review it.

The decision comes less than a year after Keir Starmer QC, the DPP, claimed a watershed moment had been reached in the prosecution of sexual offences against children and young people in the wake of the Jimmy Savile affair, saying vulnerable victims had been treated in the past with a "degree of caution which is not generally justified".

The Rees case also comes against the backdrop of concern among senior police officers and the police complaints watchdog about sexual misconduct by officers.

The Guardian revealed last month that 169 officers and staff are under investigation for inappropriate relationships and sexual misconduct offences.

The girl's father said: "This man had 24 images on his phone of my daughter which were deemed to be indecent by lawyers when they viewed them in December. Now suddenly after the judge raises questions they are not proceeding against him. It seems that while under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 you are considered a child until you are 18 the agencies employed to enforce the law don't uphold that.

"If you are a girl aged between 16 and 18 you seem to fall into some legal black hole."

The parents are also unclear why charges relating to alleged grooming were not pursued against Rees.

"We are extremely disappointed and we don't understand why he was not charged with a grooming offence," said the girl's mother. "He met her when she was 15. He is a 32-year-old man who as a police officer is in a position of trust and authority. When my daughter asked if what they were doing was wrong, he told her it was not wrong. When it all came out and I talked to her about it, she said: 'Mum he is a police officer, I trusted him'.

"The judge has opened it up for men to think it is OK to target girls when they are 14 or 15 and then wait until they turn 16 and have sex with them."

The relationship between Rees and the girl emerged after an anonymous call to social services last year in which the caller said they were concerned about the relationship. Officers from Essex police child protection command began an investigation into whether there were elements of grooming the girl and other young people.

Essex Social services produced a report in which they concluded: "X has been groomed by Matt Rees and … this has been such a powerful process that there was nothing the parents could have done to prevent this from happening." But social services said the girl had made no disclosures of any sexual activity taking place prior to her being 16.One aspect of the case examined by detectives was how the girl came to be in possession of two pay-as-you-go mobile phones. Officers are also known to have spoken to at least one other young woman whom Rees allegedly started a relationship with when she was in her mid teens after apparently meeting her at the same Amateur Swimming Association club.

Forensic examination of phones in the case revealed that the girl involved in the latest case had sent 24 images to Rees which he held on his phone for several months. They were considered to be level one indecent images (meaning they included erotic posing but no sexual activity), and he was charged.

But at a hearing earlier this month Judge Anthony Goldstaub QC called for the case to be reviewed – resulting in the CPS dropping it on Monday.

Andrew Jackson, prosecuting, told the court: "Disregarding the nature of a relationship between a 32-year-old man and a 16-year-old girl, it seems we would have difficulty, evidentially, proving to a jury that the images were indecent.

"That being the case, it has been decided that there is no realistic prospect of conviction.

"In the circumstance, we offer no evidence."

Rees was present in court to hear that the charge had been dropped. His lawyer Andrew Compton said: "My client was in a perfectly legitimate relationship, although there was a significant age difference.

"The photos were neither requested or indecent. At no stage has he ever sought to abuse his position.

"These proceedings have been hanging over him for many, many months and a stain on his character is one which we hope now will begin to go away.

"It has been a difficult time for him and his family."

A spokesman for City police said a review of the evidence was being carried out to assess the grounds for pursuing a misconduct hearing.

"City of London Police expects all its officers and staff to uphold the highest professional standards and will deal with those employees who fail to meet those standards with appropriate disciplinary action," the spokesman said.

Russell Haldane, the solicitor who represents Rees, said it would be inappropriate to make further comment at this time.

Essex Police refused to comment. The Amateur Swimming Association was approached but did not comment.

Jim Gamble, an expert in the investigation of grooming cases, said he had concerns about the case. "It is deeply concerning given the fact that the child was 15 when they first engaged in a relationship and that as a police officer he was in a position of trust and authority.

"In child sexual exploitation cases very often the evidence is contained on the technology that the perpetrators hold."

The CPS said lawyers had considered a grooming charge under section 15 of the Sexual Offences Act – meeting a child following sexual grooming – but it was decided there was insufficient evidence to support it.

Prosecutors confirmed they were passed information relating to an allegation of sexual offending against another alleged victim, a 14-year-old girl, in 2003 but the alleged victim was unwilling to give evidence.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/18/police-consider-disciplining-officer-teenage-girl/print