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Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is priceless.

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not like an old item of clothing that people can discard. It is the Sikh's most holiest object, the source of our way of life.

The issue, perfectly good Maharaj Saroops are being destroyed (no attempt at repairing them is being made) and persons associated are linked to the production of Saroops. This is a major conflict of interest. We are talking about hundreds of Saroops over the past few years being systematically collected and destroyed for no good reason.

Thousands of people bow down in front of Maharaj everyday, As a Sikh what does it mean to you if you hear that Maharaj is being destroyed for no good reason?

As one person commented 'how would you like it if you were cremated after receiving a small cut or blemish'.

We would appeal to the Sangat that if you are aware of this happening in your area, please report this to us.

If you can no longer maintain (or require) a Maharaj Saroop, or need a repair, please report this to us. Do not assume Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji needs to be destroyed even if someone suggests this.

We would invite committees (or representatives) of ANY or ALL Gurdwara's to comment or advise on what their institutions procedures are for the assessment, collection, repair and destruction of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

It will be interesting to see what the response from committees will be as many have been accused of being out of touch.

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Exposed: Beadbi of 22 Saroops of Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj stored in warehouse in London On Tuesday 3rd September 2013 members of the Saadsangat received a telephone call that 22 Saroops

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh All valid points SRIWAHEGURU, Thank you. At a result I have used the 'contact us' form on Sikh Channel - http://www.sikhchannel.tv/contactus/ and posted th

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Gurfateh Jee, DIscover Sikhism made very valid point. This was main concerned Singh's who did sewa of Guru Granth Sahib Jee was told by Gurdwara Guru Nanak Darbaar Committee that all Swroops are Birdh. All sangat was in shock when they discover all 22 Shri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Swroops are in very good condition. Some Swroops are now Parkash in havelock Gurudwara.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is priceless.

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not like an old item of clothing that people can discard. It is the Sikh's most holiest object, the source of our way of life.

The issue, perfectly good Maharaj Saroops are being destroyed (no attempt at repairing them is being made) and persons associated are linked to the production of Saroops. This is a major conflict of interest. We are talking about hundreds of Saroops over the past few years being systematically collected and destroyed for no good reason.

Thousands of people bow down in front of Maharaj everyday, As a Sikh what does it mean to you if you hear that Maharaj is being destroyed for no good reason?

As one person commented 'how would you like it if you were cremated after receiving a small cut or blemish'.

We would appeal to the Sangat that if you are aware of this happening in your area, please report this to us.

If you can no longer maintain (or require) a Maharaj Saroop, or need a repair, please report this to us. Do not assume Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji needs to be destroyed even if someone suggests this.

We would invite committees (or representatives) of ANY or ALL Gurdwara's to comment or advise on what their institutions procedures are for the assessment, collection, repair and destruction of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

It will be interesting to see what the response from committees will be as many have been accused of being out of touch.

Very nicely put, but there's not much chance of getting Masands online. You can find plenty of Masands (Deceivers) counting the golak money though...

Gurfateh Sangat Jee,

MUST WATCH Tonight on Sky Channel 793 MATV at 7pm Live Program on Beadbhi happened in London. HARJAP BHANGAL SHOW.

Shame on Akaal, Sangat and Sikh Channel for not providing coverage and following up on this issue. MATV, a Hindu channel spent 1 hour of a LIVE show discussing what happened.

Whatever people think about attacks on Sikh, it goes to show there are some good Hindu's who seem to respect Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji more than our own community and media!!!

Just when you think you can't be surprised anymore, Waheguru provides a reminder.

Hindu media - 1, Sikh media - 0

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Truly is a very shameful day for so called Sikh Media, as Bhai Sahib said (eventhough it hurts to say this) we got to be indebted to MATV (Hindu Ch).

1 hour LIVE show(not recorded) without any constrictions to what could be covered as long as the proofs were made available beforehand to the presenter. Personally think both Singhs did a great job in presenting the case in a very articulate and professional manner. Harjap Bhangal (the presenter - never really heard from him before, but know of him) was very good in informing the audience of the True facts and did a fantastic job as a neutral presenter in highlighting the quality of the evidence as opposed to the childish stupidity of the Guru Nanak Darbar Committee.

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This what is says on;

Sikh Channels website;

Sikh Channel provides diverse, informative and interesting television which is accessible to the masses providing them with extensive knowledge about the Sikh faith and the current issues and affairs related to it.

Sikh Channel also provides a wide variety of spiritual programmes including Kirtan (religious hymns), Katha (religious discourse), in addition to news, documentaries, chat shows and children’s programmes. Viewers are constantly invited to participate and present their own views; making Sikh Channel a great platform for thought, contemplation and discussion.

Sangat TV;

Remember, Sangat TV is for the Sangat and by the Sangat so please visit us regularly to be informed and involved with the latest news and updates.

Sikh Channel spent over £30,000 on Dastar day, do they think dastar is more important that Sri Guru Granth Sahib?

What is Sikh Channels opinion of the beadbhi that Afgan Masands in Guru Nanak Darbar in Southall have committed?

What are the Afgan Sikh community doing about their so called 'leaders'?

Who is dealing with the Trimex, Pier Road, TW14 0TW warehouse owners in Feltham that started this?

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ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਦਾ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਚ ਹੀ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਫੈਸਲਾ ਤੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਣ ਤੇ ਮੁਕੰਮਲ ਪਾਬੰਦੀ--ਪੰਥਕ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀਆਂ ਯੂ.ਕੇ.
ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਰੀਤੀ ਰਿਵਾਜਾਂ ਵਾਂਗੂ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਸੰਸਕਾਰ

ਲੰਡਨ-ਸਰਬਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਨੂੜ- ਯੂ. ਕੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਪੰਥਕ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀਆਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਣ ਤੇ ਮੁਕੰਮਲ ਪਾਬੰਦੀ ਅਤੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਹੀ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਨਵਾਂ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਅਹਿਮ ਫੈਸਲਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ ।
ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਯੋਗ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਬੀਤੇ ਮਹੀਨੇ ਯੂ . ਕੇ ਤੋਂ ਮਾਈ ਭਾਗੋ ਬ੍ਰਿਗੇਡ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਚਾਰ ਸੌ ਪੰਝੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਇਕ ਵਿਸ਼ੇਸ਼ ਹਵਾਈ ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਤੋਂ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਏ ਗਏ ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪ ਨਾ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਕੁਝ ਪਰਿਵਾਰਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸੇਵਾ ਨਾ ਹੋਣ ਕਾਰਨ ਉਹ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਲਈ ਦੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਗਏ ਅਤੇ ਉਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਕੁਝ ਹੱਥ ਲਿੱਖਤ ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਵੀ ਦੱਸੀਆਂ ਜਾਂਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ ।
ਸੂਤਰਾਂ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਕੁਝ ਸੰਸਥਾਵਾਂ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਇਕ ਹਜ਼ਾਰ ਪੌਂਡ ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਮੂੰਹ ਮੰਗੀ ਕੀਮਤ ਮੰਗਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਉਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਯੂ. ਕੇ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਇਕ ਵੇਅਰ ਹਾਊਸ ਵਿਚ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਇਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਉਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਜਾਂਚ ਪੜਤਾਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਕਰੋਲ ਬਾਗ਼ ਦਿਲੀ ਤੇ ਫਿਰ ਯੂ.ਪੀ ਦੇ ਕਿਸੀ ਸਥਾਨ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਰੀਤੀ ਰਿਵਾਜਾਂ ਮੁਤਾਬਿਕ ਮਿਰਤਕ ਸਰੀਰ ਦੇ ਸੰਸਕਾਰ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲੀ ਵਿਧੀ ਤੇ ਨੌਂ ਨੌਂ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਇਕਠੇ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਬੀਤੇ ਦਿਨੀ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਦੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਨੌਜਵਾਨਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਧੀ ਨਾਲ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਇਤਰਾਜ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧਕਾਂ ਵੱਲੋ ਉਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਮੂਲੀ ਕੁਟਮਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਉਥੋਂ ਭਜਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਤੇ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਖੰਡੀ ਆਗੂ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਣ ਵਿਚ ਕਾਮਯਾਬ ਹੋ ਗਏ ।
ਦੱਸਣ ਯੋਗ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਕੁਝ ਸੰਸਥਾਵਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਇਸ ਕਾਰਜ ਲਈ ਸੇਵਾ ਵਜੋਂ ਮੋਟੀ ਰਕਮ ਵੀ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਗਈ, ਜਦੋਂ ਇਸ ਸਬੰਧੀ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਨਾਮਵਰ ਪੰਥਕ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਇਸ ਘਟਨਾ ਸਬੰਧੀ ਪਤਾ ਲੱਗਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਨਾਂ ਨੇ ਸਾਊਥਾਲ ਦੇ ਇਕ ਗੁਰੂ ਘਰ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧਕ ਕਮੇਟੀ ਦੇ ਅਹੁਦੇਦਾਰਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਇਸ ਸਬੰਧੀ ਡੂੰਗੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕੀਤੀ ਇਸ ਮੀਟਿੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਜੱਥੇਦਾਰ ਬਲਬੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਬਰ, ਭਾਈ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਸੰਘੇੜਾ, ਭਾਈ ਜੋਗਾ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਤਰਸੇਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਿਊਲ, ਭਾਈ ਕੇਹਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਤਰਨਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਰੁਪਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਆਦਿ ਹਾਜ਼ਰ ਹੋਏ । ਸਿੱਖ ਆਗੂਆਂ ਦੀ ਮੀਟਿੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਫੈਸਲਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਕਿ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਤਿਕਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਕਾਇਮ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਜਾਵੇ । ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਨਾਂ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਦੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ ਤੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ ।

I just found this newspaper article on Social Media. Please read this article, it describes the Beadbi that happened in 2007 - these are the same culprits doing Beadbi in 2013.

What surprises me is that no Jathe Bandi / organisation in the UK has come forward to preserve dishonour of Guru Granth Sahib Jee yet.

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ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਦਾ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਚ ਹੀ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਫੈਸਲਾ ਤੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਣ ਤੇ ਮੁਕੰਮਲ ਪਾਬੰਦੀ--ਪੰਥਕ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀਆਂ ਯੂ.ਕੇ.

ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਰੀਤੀ ਰਿਵਾਜਾਂ ਵਾਂਗੂ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਸੰਸਕਾਰ

ਲੰਡਨ-ਸਰਬਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਨੂੜ- ਯੂ. ਕੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਪੰਥਕ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀਆਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਣ ਤੇ ਮੁਕੰਮਲ ਪਾਬੰਦੀ ਅਤੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਹੀ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਨਵਾਂ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਅਹਿਮ ਫੈਸਲਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ ।

ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਯੋਗ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਬੀਤੇ ਮਹੀਨੇ ਯੂ . ਕੇ ਤੋਂ ਮਾਈ ਭਾਗੋ ਬ੍ਰਿਗੇਡ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਚਾਰ ਸੌ ਪੰਝੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਇਕ ਵਿਸ਼ੇਸ਼ ਹਵਾਈ ਜਹਾਜ਼ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਤੋਂ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਏ ਗਏ ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪ ਨਾ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਕੁਝ ਪਰਿਵਾਰਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਸੇਵਾ ਨਾ ਹੋਣ ਕਾਰਨ ਉਹ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਲਈ ਦੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਗਏ ਅਤੇ ਉਨਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਕੁਝ ਹੱਥ ਲਿੱਖਤ ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਵੀ ਦੱਸੀਆਂ ਜਾਂਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ ।

ਸੂਤਰਾਂ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਕੁਝ ਸੰਸਥਾਵਾਂ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਇਕ ਹਜ਼ਾਰ ਪੌਂਡ ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਮੂੰਹ ਮੰਗੀ ਕੀਮਤ ਮੰਗਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਉਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਯੂ. ਕੇ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਇਕ ਵੇਅਰ ਹਾਊਸ ਵਿਚ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਇਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਉਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਜਾਂਚ ਪੜਤਾਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਕਰੋਲ ਬਾਗ਼ ਦਿਲੀ ਤੇ ਫਿਰ ਯੂ.ਪੀ ਦੇ ਕਿਸੀ ਸਥਾਨ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਰੀਤੀ ਰਿਵਾਜਾਂ ਮੁਤਾਬਿਕ ਮਿਰਤਕ ਸਰੀਰ ਦੇ ਸੰਸਕਾਰ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲੀ ਵਿਧੀ ਤੇ ਨੌਂ ਨੌਂ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਇਕਠੇ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਬੀਤੇ ਦਿਨੀ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਦੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਨੌਜਵਾਨਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਧੀ ਨਾਲ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਤੇ ਇਤਰਾਜ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧਕਾਂ ਵੱਲੋ ਉਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਮੂਲੀ ਕੁਟਮਾਰ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਉਥੋਂ ਭਜਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਤੇ ਅਨੇਕਾਂ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਖੰਡੀ ਆਗੂ ਭਾਰਤ ਲਿਜਾਣ ਵਿਚ ਕਾਮਯਾਬ ਹੋ ਗਏ ।

ਦੱਸਣ ਯੋਗ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਕੁਝ ਸੰਸਥਾਵਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਇਸ ਕਾਰਜ ਲਈ ਸੇਵਾ ਵਜੋਂ ਮੋਟੀ ਰਕਮ ਵੀ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਗਈ, ਜਦੋਂ ਇਸ ਸਬੰਧੀ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਨਾਮਵਰ ਪੰਥਕ ਜੱਥੇਬੰਦੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਇਸ ਘਟਨਾ ਸਬੰਧੀ ਪਤਾ ਲੱਗਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਨਾਂ ਨੇ ਸਾਊਥਾਲ ਦੇ ਇਕ ਗੁਰੂ ਘਰ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧਕ ਕਮੇਟੀ ਦੇ ਅਹੁਦੇਦਾਰਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਇਸ ਸਬੰਧੀ ਡੂੰਗੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕੀਤੀ ਇਸ ਮੀਟਿੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਜੱਥੇਦਾਰ ਬਲਬੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਬਰ, ਭਾਈ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਸੰਘੇੜਾ, ਭਾਈ ਜੋਗਾ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਤਰਸੇਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਿਊਲ, ਭਾਈ ਕੇਹਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਤਰਨਪ੍ਰੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ, ਭਾਈ ਰੁਪਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਆਦਿ ਹਾਜ਼ਰ ਹੋਏ । ਸਿੱਖ ਆਗੂਆਂ ਦੀ ਮੀਟਿੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਫੈਸਲਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਕਿ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਤਿਕਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਕਾਇਮ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਜਾਵੇ । ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਨਾਂ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਦੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ ਤੇ ਬਿਰਧ ਸਰੂਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਯੂ.ਕੇ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਅਗਨ ਭੇਟ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ ।

I just found this newspaper article on Social Media. Please read this article, it describes the Beadbi that happened in 2007 - these are the same culprits doing Beadbi in 2013.

What surprises me is that no Jathe Bandi / organisation in the UK has come forward to preserve dishonour of Guru Granth Sahib Jee yet.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

http://www.discoversikhism.com/sikh_news/punjabi_sikh_news.html

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Respect to the singhs who stopped this beadbi from taking place, it is indeed a great seva they have carried out. However, wasn't one of the singhs, the older skinny guy who was on MATV the main person responsible for a Gurdwara having to close down in east london?

Isn't he the same Singh who asked for donations to be made for Mata Sahib Kaur Sikh Academy but then quietly disappeared when the gurdwara doors were closed and nishaan sahibs removed?! What happen to those thousands of pounds from the sangat? Where was the apology to the sangat? Why was no sikh media called to cover the closing of a gurdwara? Where was an akhand path to ask for forgiveness held? Where were the sikhsangat posts?

Isn't he the same person who locals say stripped the gurdwara building to a bare shell before they left? Even taking radiators of the walls and going as low as removing copper wiring?!

Isn't he the same Singh whose actions resulted in a person losing his family home?!

Yes what the Singhs did in stopping the beadbi was 100% correct, but in future consider what sangat your keeping and who you stick infront of a TV camera. The 'true' singhs and sons of mahraj no doubt refused being on TV, but those with broken reputations to fix jumped at the chance.

Guru hajar najar

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Mahakaal96, You have raised asked some interesting questions. A group of Singhs and the Sikh channel (who first covered the news live) provided evidence of beadbhi, can you do likewise to support your comments? If you raise the matter by starting a new post, I would certainly read it.

This issue seems simple enough, has a beadbhi occurred? In light of the evidence (and numerous independant statements), yes.
So, what's next? Despite efforts to resolve the matter particularly from Khalsa Diwan Afganisatan and the Afgani community, progress has stalled. Subsquently, there has been no public statement by the Gurdwara committee or alleged perptrators (who only seem to be a few). Whereas, an apology (via Akhand Path or Ardas) would have closed the matter.

As someone, that does not know any of the individuals in this matter I have seen the Sikh channel present an issue (and report) on a beadbhi, breaking news live, and then go completely silent while honouring one of the alleged perpetrators. As a donator/ viewer its not unreasonable to ask why?

What message does this whole saga send out to the Sikh youth?

Its in everyones interest for all parties to resolve this situation quickly and not make matters worse.

Instead, after pushing Sikh channel into a corner Dr Gurnam Singh made an extraordinary defensive statement which didn't address the topics and is unbecoming of a public figure.

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Mahakaal96, You have raised asked some interesting questions. A group of Singhs and the Sikh channel (who first covered the news live) provided evidence of beadbhi, can you do likewise to support your comments? If you raise the matter by starting a new post, I would certainly read it.

This issue seems simple enough, has a beadbhi occurred? In light of the evidence (and numerous independant statements), yes.

So, what's next? Despite efforts to resolve the matter particularly from Khalsa Diwan Afganisatan and the Afgani community, progress has stalled. Subsquently, there has been no public statement by the Gurdwara committee or alleged perptrators (who only seem to be a few). Whereas, an apology (via Akhand Path or Ardas) would have closed the matter.

As someone, that does not know any of the individuals in this matter I have seen the Sikh channel present an issue (and report) on a beadbhi, breaking news live, and then go completely silent while honouring one of the alleged perpetrators. As a donator/ viewer its not unreasonable to ask why?

What message does this whole saga send out to the Sikh youth?

Its in everyones interest for all parties to resolve this situation quickly and not make matters worse.

Instead, after pushing Sikh channel into a corner Dr Gurnam Singh made an extraordinary defensive statement which didn't address the topics and is unbecoming of a public figure.

If you want proof about that person then ask about him to the east london sangat. Or better still ask them why the mata sahib kaur sikh academy had to close? Or you could ask the man who lost his family home because of the rat(s) who were running the academy and why he's also been left with thousands of pounds worth of bills to pay on top of losing his house, I'm sure you will get your proof!

I find it funny that when the mata sahib kaur sikh academy needed to raise money that rat hid behind other people, getting other people to do speeches asking for donations, getting other people to appear on sikh channel and even going as low as getting small kids to ask for donations at east london nagar kirtans whilst he stood in the background orchestrating everything. And now this beadbi issue has come up all of a sudden he is at the forefront like some crusading savior appearing on TV??!

Sangat ji be vary of this rat.... Kudos to the true singhs once again

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    • Gurbani tells parents not to impose on their children this way. Perhaps somebody knows the location or I'll see what I can find. It's either in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or Varaan Bhai Gurdas Ji.  Once they know you are able to leave and have the backing of Gurmat perhaps you will find you have new bargaining power for the behaviors that are acceptable in your family. You don't have to be the man of your house just be a man of your house, who sticks to his guns, backs with Gurbani, and speaks the truth for Sarbat Da Bhala. You are not beholden to them. If they want that extra icing in life called multigenerational support of extended family they have to create an environment for all three of you to joyfully have families there. And earn your consent. It is a great thing to do, provide for the elders...when they respect you and help you create your own joyful life.  I am only now rekindling certain familial relationships after being brainwashed my whole life that I was a man at birth, responsible for my mother, and going to be her retirement. It's sick and deranged. I actually want to do all those things. They way people twist it into slavery is disgusting though, and I will have no part in one sided contracts honored only by me. A big turning point is when I realized they all expected that to be at the expense of me having my own life, family, etc. And that as a larger family none of them were worth anything. A bunch of shallow, nindaks, assimilated into white supremacy before my eyes. No thanks. Hypocritical. Lying. Scheeming.  Next.  Family is a team. It's everyone playing the same game, by the same rules, and working together or it's not. Either we all win or it's not working right.  Bro. You can move. You can take a sibling with you. The flamingos leave their babies do they not? Guru Nanak Dev Ji took off on foot did he not? You can stay too and lay it down bro. Calm, cool, calculated, chardikala and correct.  They get rude, bring in Sangat to witness and support you. It's your family business, be a pro. The parents don't listen and learn something off you go. If you respect your parents, respectfully tell them what they need to do to have the life they want. If it includes you. 
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