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Can we please make a list of organisations/people/places we can send our dasvandh to with a little description of each cause.

To begin;

SOPW- welfare of sikh innocent and freedom fighter prisoners, legal fees, welfare of sikh families of prisoners, education of children from shaheed parivars.

United Sikhs - legal representation of Sikhs among other things

local Gurdwara Sahib- keertan, katha, langar etc.

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WaheguruJiKaKhalsa !! WaheguruJiKiFateh!!

In north india i find 2 very applealing and doing good work organizations , non prisioner helping though

Educate Punjab project - you pick a kid to educate and give daswand as fee every month , and that kid sends you confirmation of fee recipts etc. they teach sehaj path to kids too

Sikligharh Project - to help Sikh weapon smiths from the time of 6vi paatshahi. these people are literally living in slums

do not give to local gurudwara unless people there are geniuine , many Gurudwara's have money hoggers who eat sangats money rather then putting in good use

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I used to just hand over cash to Gurdwaras and fundraisers..etc.. but I realized that there were too many money hoggers- like Savinderpalji mentioned above, so know I actually try to make out some time and actively get involved with food banks or similar.

The money that is for donation goes with me to the store where I purchase a variety of packed foods and then load them up into truck and make the delivery myself to the food bank.

All these foods go to the homeless and very low income, struggling families.

I have been very surprised with just how many struggling mothers there are that need foods for their kids. The baby foods seem to be the most in demand and sadly I have realized that the stores and shops charge very high prices for these.

By doing this actively, sometimes I feel so sensitive that I mostly end up donating much much more than dasvand.

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Dasvaand is a admirable thing to do for a Sikh but in todays society where your taxed so much by the govt. A more reasonable contribution towards the charitable Sikh causes is need and is appropriate to what people can afford.

The function of dasvaand was to serve as a welfare tax revenue system to provide for Sikh community in a Sikh sovereign state where there was no or little system of governance after achieving area's of freedom self rule away from foreigners. Nowadays expecting people to give up 10% of their income to charitable projects is not realistic. 2-5% of their income set aside for a Sikh charitable cause is more realistic for the average Sikh person.

I would suggest Khalsa Aid a good charity but soe of their latest projects and adventures in non-Sikh area's without helping convert those non-sikhs has left me feeling I would rather give to a charity and cause that uses its resources 100% on bettering the lives and security of fellow Sikhs in troubled Muslim ruled parts of the world.

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Dasvaand is a admirable thing to do for a Sikh but in todays society where your taxed so much by the govt. A more reasonable contribution towards the charitable Sikh causes is need and is appropriate to what people can afford.

The function of dasvaand was to serve as a welfare tax revenue system to provide for Sikh community in a Sikh sovereign state where there was no or little system of governance after achieving area's of freedom self rule away from foreigners. Nowadays expecting people to give up 10% of their income to charitable projects is not realistic. 2-5% of their income set aside for a Sikh charitable cause is more realistic for the average Sikh person.

I would suggest Khalsa Aid a good charity but soe of their latest projects and adventures in non-Sikh area's without helping convert those non-sikhs has left me feeling I would rather give to a charity and cause that uses its resources 100% on bettering the lives and security of fellow Sikhs in troubled Muslim ruled parts of the world.

Totally disagree. It is not a choice for a Sikh to give Daswand, it is a part of our Rehit. Daswand is a must. It is not our money to keep. It is the Gurus money. By keeping the Gurus money makes us Haramkhors(someone who keeps something that does not belong to them). During the olden times there was indeed tax. Farmers for example had to pay 25% of what they made off their land as tax. Yet still during olden times Sikhs gave Daswand. Dawand is 10% of net income. In nearly all western countries we have the benefit of tax exemption if we give Daswand. So we have no excuses to not give Daswand. We can find all sorts of excuses for not giving Daswand just as we can find all sorts of excuses for not keeping Kesh, keeping Amritvela, doing Nitnem etc.

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Totally disagree. It is not a choice for a Sikh to give Daswand, it is a part of our Rehit. Daswand is a must. It is not our money to keep. It is the Gurus money. By keeping the Gurus money makes us Haramkhors(someone who keeps something that does not belong to them). During the olden times there was indeed tax. Farmers for example had to pay 25% of what they made off their land as tax. Yet still during olden times Sikhs gave Daswand. Dawand is 10% of net income. In nearly all western countries we have the benefit of tax exemption if we give Daswand. So we have no excuses to not give Daswand. We can find all sorts of excuses for not giving Daswand just as we can find all sorts of excuses for not keeping Kesh, keeping Amritvela, doing Nitnem etc.

Totally agree Jonny veerji !

Taxes are for self at the end of he day. I know that no one is ever happy with the percentages but i don't want to go off track here.

They are for self in the sense that they contribute to pension, financial aids, health cover...etc..etc..

So we as society get some sort of future gain or assistance in the future.

BUT- we must NOT think of that as the money out of our pocket as dasvand!

In my opinion your dasvand is not to be mixed up with your tax calculations but it should be 10% or more from the amount you have AFTER-Tax and after all your other deductions.

Every one has their own ways of dealing with personal budgets and I know some people have Very tight budgets after food, utilities and simple living expenses.

However, I have come to know a few people who are not even sikhs but average white Canadians that 'miss' or cut their own extras on personal meals in order to give to others. Imagine someone who afer, fuel, travel, and all living expenses has near enough zero to give. so in effect this person chooses to miss or cut heavily on breakfast for 3 days a week and donate that same food that is not used instead of carrying it over for the following week.

They tend to live week by week in terms of their income and allowances whether they are paid bi-weekly or monthly.

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thank you veerji, how can one give their dasvandh to these projects?

Also remembered;

Sukrit trust- education and career help for sikhs

here are the sites you can donate online as well

http://educatepunjab.net/

sikligar

further information is in this thread

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72162-sikh-weapon-makers-sikligar-a-mini-documentary/

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Definately not to sangat tv since this new trimmed beard guy Aps mann took control, when ever they are at an event and other tv channel representatives are called to talk or a Gurdwara spokesman mention any other channel, sangat tv seems to have problems with its volume (it goes off), or they end the programme and go to commercials, yet this channel proclaims ekta of the panth, thats a joke when it does these kind of dirty tricks, so not Sangat tv unless you clean up your act and start behaving and playing fairly and putting the panth first no support from me and that goes for all of them but at the moment they seem fine!

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During the olden times there was indeed tax. Farmers for example had to pay 25% of what they made off their land as tax.

Yet still during olden times Sikhs gave Daswand. Dawand is 10% of net income.

Very well identified and correctly stated Jonny veer.

The unwillingness to get oneself educated in one's history is a worrying trend within our community. For one, it is partially responsible for large sections of our community dismissing religion as a 17th/18th century concept. This trend has had dire consequences for the Sikh Nation.

One sign of such ignorance is the oft-repeated narrative that the modern world, and, hence, modern man, is far more advanced than that which existed in previous times.

However, any good student of history, it psychology for that matter, will tell you that other than the technological innovations that have made modern life much faster, very little has changed to man himself.

This is because times and situations may change, but HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE SAME.

It is the failure to understand the above fact that leads the overly "modern" citizen, ironically, into a state of blissful ignorance; quite far from their ill-informed idea of being "far advanced".

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It is often said that Death and Taxes are the only two certainties in life.

It is not said without historical consequence.

Tax is a concept that has existed since time immemorial.

It, together with the aim of amassing stolen wealth, is the one idea that propelled the greatest and most adventurous invaders to plunder nations far outside their imagination.

It, being a continued revenue stream produced with comparatively little effort, was like the cherry on the cake for successful invaders.

It has also motivated armed and militarised nations to enforce protection rackets in their areas of dominance from way back (or "rakhi" money, in our language :) )

Sikhs, should know better than others, the factor that the collection of tax played in the most daring and impressive Sikh raids of the 18th and 19th centuries on surrounding nations, kingdoms and principalities.

Delhi, U.P., Rajasthan, and Gujarat; for one.

Afghanistan; for another.

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Anyone whose ancestral family contains a lambardaar or zaildaar will be very familiar with what the word "chaudhry" means.

Far from being a term to be proud of (as the mostly muslim juts of pakistan have turned it, as a generalised term for a zamindaar);

It is simply a term to identify a tax collector working for the government.

"Chaudhry" literally means a collector of the "fourth part".

Since mughal times (if not before), each village has had a lambardaar, or village "chaudhry", typically one of the more influential and landed zamindaars, who collected the fourth part of each farmer's produce for the government.

Essentially, he was also a slave; but had more power than the average slave.

Hence, the modern disdain for the term "Chaudhry" on our side of panjaab (hence, I see Parkash Chand Badal, for one, as a true b@$t*4d of a "Chaudhry" :lol2: )

The mughal kingdoms all collected tax through this franchised, decentralised system.

One of the greatest beneficiaries of this kind of tax collection system was, ironically, the juts themselves, as the mughal system of placing large landowners into, what were, essentially, positions of considerable local influence, worked increasingly in the juts' favour, as they progressively displaced the rajputs and other zanindaar communities from ownership of land in the panjaab region.

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I will finish with a popular pangati from Gurbani;

BABAANIA KAHAANIYAN PUTH SUPUTH KARAIN

Much of our ignorance could be dispelled from the minds of the average member of the Panth if this was practiced alone.

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Definately not to sangat tv since this new trimmed beard guy Aps mann took control, when ever they are at an event and other tv channel representatives are called to talk or a Gurdwara spokesman mention any other channel, sangat tv seems to have problems with its volume (it goes off), or they end the programme and go to commercials, yet this channel proclaims ekta of the panth, thats a joke when it does these kind of dirty tricks, so not Sangat tv unless you clean up your act and start behaving and playing fairly and putting the panth first no support from me and that goes for all of them but at the moment they seem fine!

APS Mann is not a bad guy. From what I know about him, he is born and bred in east panjaab and led from the front in pushing Sikh youth politics at university there, which had been systematically suppressed by both the central and state governments since the huge success of the blessed Shaheed Bhai Amrik Singh in expanding the AISSF in the early 80's. He has been vocal about the oppression of the Sikh Nation even while in east panjaab, never mind here.

He may not be "dyed in the wool" :biggrin2: , but he is not what is wrong with Sangat TV.

On the other hand, I can tell you what certainly is.

The anti-Panthic stance taken by its disgustingly communal (in that it favoured one community in particular) coverage of the UK riots, and its continued excuses which eventually resulted in it refusing to screen the critical sexual grooming documentary produced by the SAS, in the fear of upsetting its pak muslim paedophile masters.

I have not donated a penny to Sangat TV, nor watched it, since.

At the same time though, I have donated £'000's to the Sikh Channel.

This is purely out of protest.

Using presenters who not only have no affiliation to Sikhi and Sikh values (upinder randhawa, sonia deol, harjap bhangal), but, furthermore, promote non-Sikh ideologies on a Sikh channel, funded out of the pockets of Sikhs, and overwhelmingly viewed by Sikhs.

Banning popular jaikaaray by those who protected the Gurdwaras of KHALISTHAAN ZINDABAAD!!! Yet openly calling for Sikhs worldwide to convert to Islam is not a hypocrisy to be forgiven quickly.

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I would suggest Khalsa Aid a good charity but soe of their latest projects and adventures in non-Sikh area's without helping convert those non-sikhs has left me feeling I would rather give to a charity and cause that uses its resources 100% on bettering the lives and security of fellow Sikhs in troubled Muslim ruled parts of the world.

It is hard to disagree with that. This is the problem I have long had with Khalsa Aid.

When it comes to donating one's hard earned money, the principle will always take precedence.

Apart from once when I donated for a family member to help them achieve a donation target for a fundraising event where they had chosen Khalsa Aid as their recipient charity, I have not donated to Khalsa Aid.

At a time when our own population is being systematically eroded in India, and no-one, I repeat NO western body is working to put an end to the systematic nuclear poisoning of river water that is putting thousands of rural Sikhs at the mercy of death by cancer, and new born babies with birth deformities, an unlimited inflow of drugs into east panjaab, farmer suicides by rural Sikhs heavily in debt, the abject failure of the smaller farming sector in the face of a Government of India led monopoly on purchase of grain, and the purposely unchecked mass abortion of female babies due to poverty and an enforced "UN education" - to name a few;

I find it hard to understand how Sikh charities can find the time and money to spend £'000's in overseas disaster areas, which are subject to huge receipts of emergency appeal donations from established, worldwide, western charity organisations, and after already literally swarming with UNO and western aid workers.

Getting our priorities right???

... Is something, we clearly need to work on.

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Organisations like Khalsa Aid will always throw back 'Sarbat da Bhala' at anyone who asks them why they are basically replicating the work of dozens of charities in disaster areas using the hard earned money of the Sikhs. They started off in 1999 during the Kosovo war and God knows how much of the Sangat's money they wasted in helping Kosovan refugees who were already getting thousands of pounds spent on each one by the UN, Oxfam and other charities. They have spent thousands in Haiti, Sri Lanka, Indonesia etc whilst the money could have saved many a Sikh farmer. I remember discussing this on the Sikhnet forum at the time with someone I think called Ravi or Ravinder Singh and he said that I was a Manmukh! This is the level of thinking of people running these charities.

They have made a start in helping in Punjab but even then it is impossible to know if your donation is going to Punjab or some other place. I would much rather give donations to organisations like SOPW. I have just made a donation to them because they do such admirable work in first getting innocent Sikh political prisoners freed and then giving them them a trade or employment

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Thanks for your replies guys.

Just one thing I would like to say is that Dasvandh is not just giving to charity, it is a particular use of money for furthering the Khalsa Panth. So its use should be on the Khalsa Panth itself. So while I would definitely agree with giving money to Khalsa Aid which is a very admirable organisation, this should be done on top of one's dasvandh as the money is not being used purely on the panth but to help others (which is also a MUST for the Khalsa).

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