Guru Gobind Singh Was A Worshipper Of The Divine Mother (Shri Bhagauti/ Bhagawati)

[GPS]

ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਕਾਲ ਸਭ ਜਗ ਕੋ ਤਾਤਾ ॥
प्रथम काल सभ जग को ताता ॥
First of all the Lord as KAL is the primal farther of the whole universe;

ਤਾਤੇ ਭਥੋ ਤੇਜ ਬਿਖਯਾਤਾ ॥
ताते भथो तेज बिखयाता ॥
And from him emanated the Powerful Lustre;

ਸੋਈ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਹਾਈ ॥
सोई भवानी नामु कहाई ॥
The same Lord was considered as Bhavani,

ਜਿਨ ਸਿਗਰੀ ਯਹ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਉਪਾਈ ॥੨੯॥
जिन सिगरी यह स्रिसटि उपाई ॥२९॥
And it is he Who created the whole world.29.

Dasam Granth sahib

[N30S1NGH]

In Dasam Granth it is akal purakh that is being glorified everywhere and not any deity.One has to read this bani very carefully

and not misled by various names.

Vahiguroo is glorified through sargun many times, many places in gurbani, however not confined to but through as flow.

One has to read this bani with sargun and nirgun sidhant in tact otherwise they will fall into christian type interpretations. While i agree with dr vir singh setting the record straight when he tended to raise bar of nihangs stuck in shastar pooja, his kn ee jer k allergy reaction towards anything remotely sargun was bit christian like.

Gurmat is center path where sargun and nirgun aspects of vahiguroo are balanced in Ikongkar.

[sat]

ਆਪੁ ਆਪੁਨੀ ਬੁਧਿ ਹੈ ਜੇਤੀ ॥ ਬਰਨਤ ਭਿੰਨ ਭਿੰਨ ਤੁਹਿ ਤੇਤੀ ॥

Aapu Aapunee Budhi Hai Jetee ॥ Baranata Bhianna Bhianna Tuhi Tetee ॥

आपु आपुनी बुधि है जेती ॥ बरनत भिंन भिंन तुहि तेती ॥

According to one;s won intellect, one describes Thee differently;

[N30S1NGH]

So if i have understood you correctly adh shakti is sarguna roop of Akaal purkh ji, so hence can not be his wife right ?

Wife term is worldly term, union of sada siv/shakti would be better explained or akaal purkh-male unionized with female-shakti-energy.

[sat]

Wife term is worldly term, union of sada siv/shakti would be better explained or akaal purkh-male unionized with female-shakti-energy.

ok, but either way its all akaal purkh in nirgun and sargun right ?

[GPS]

N30 singh ji

Can you quote from Gurbani where Guru sahib asks us to worship sargun form?

ਦੋਵੈ ਤਰਫਾ ਉਪਾਈਓਨੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਸਕਤਿ ਸਿਵ ਵਾਸਾ ॥

दोवै तरफा उपाईओनु विचि सकति सिव वासा ॥

He created both sides; Shiva dwells within Shakti (the soul dwells within the material universe).

ਸਕਤੀ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਫਿਰਿ ਜਨਮਿ ਬਿਨਾਸਾ ॥

Sakṯī kinai na pā▫i▫o fir janam bināsā.

Through the material universe of Shakti, no one has ever found the Lord; they continue to be born and die in reincarnation.

SGGS ji

[N30S1NGH]

Nihangs consider bhavani as their shastars, so when they read shastar naam mala..there are aspects of shakti in sri dasam granth given in there, so one cannot totally ignore sargun aspects.

ok, but either way its all akaal purkh in nirgun and sargun right ?

yep

[GPS]

Every human is his sargun saroop and has soul that is his part.By Naam simran we have to overcome material or maya aspect and

then only one can have union with Akal purakh.

[N30S1NGH]

N30 singh ji

Can you quote from Gurbani where Guru sahib asks us to worship sargun form?

ਦੋਵੈ ਤਰਫਾ ਉਪਾਈਓਨੁ ਵਿਚਿ ਸਕਤਿ ਸਿਵ ਵਾਸਾ ॥

दोवै तरफा उपाईओनु विचि सकति सिव वासा ॥

He created both sides; Shiva dwells within Shakti (the soul dwells within the material universe).

ਸਕਤੀ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਫਿਰਿ ਜਨਮਿ ਬਿਨਾਸਾ ॥

Sakṯī kinai na pā▫i▫o fir janam bināsā.

Through the material universe of Shakti, no one has ever found the Lord; they continue to be born and die in reincarnation.

SGGS ji

Who said anything about worshiping sargun? and whos worshipping sargun? I never once mention to worship sargun.

Sri dasam granth sahib,gurbani appreciates, expresses, glorifies,beautifies vahiguroo through many sargun aspects

As i said earlier, clear distinction needs to be understood between expressing, appreciating, glorifying, beautifying divine in various different forms of shakti-sargun and worshiping it.

No one is worshipping sarguna.

For eg- jale hari, thale hari - sri akaal ustat. Is guru maharaj worshipping sargun here? NOO...Guru maharaj appreciating beautifying expressing kudrat, appreciating vahiguroo through sarguna/kudrat-maya

The problem with many sikhs who became takhedars of sri dasam granth sahib both anti or for- they confuse any glorification of sargun aspects as worship so what they do? they live in fear/paranoia, start coming up christian interpretations and other extreme reject it all together. Both extremes are wrong.

[GPS]

Nihangs consider bhavani as their shastars, so when they read shastar naam mala..there are aspects of shakti in sri dasam granth given in there, so one cannot totally ignore sargun aspects.

yep

In Gurbani akal purakh is our central figure. Shashters have unique place among sikhs.Guru sahib has used symbolism and when Guru sahib ji writes

sri bhagauti ji sahai, sri sahib symbolizes akal purakh.

Me, you and other humans are his sargun aspect as he resides .in us. If we are to realize Him it has to be from within and not by kirpa of any Hindu deity or dev

How can they help others when they themselves failed to reach God

ਤੇ ਹਮ ਤਮਕਿ ਤਨਕ ਮੋ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਠਉਰ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਥਾਪੇ ॥

ते हम तमकि तनक मो खापे ॥ तिन की ठउर देवता थापे ॥

I destroyed them in no time and created gods in their place.

ਤੇ ਭੀ ਬਲਿ ਪੂਜਾ ਉਰਝਾਏ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥੭॥

ते भी बलि पूजा उरझाए ॥ आपन ही परमेसुर कहाए ॥७॥

They were also absorbed in the worship of power and called themselves Ominipotednt.7.

ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਅਚੁੱਤ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥ ਬਿਸਨ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕੋ ਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ ॥

महादेव अचु्त कहायो ॥ बिसन आप ही को ठहिरायो ॥

Mahadeo (Shiva) was called Achyuta (blotless), Vishnu considered himself the Supreme.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਆਪ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੮॥

ब्रहमा आप पारब्रहम बखाना ॥ प्रभ को प्रभू न किनहूं जाना ॥८॥

Brahma called himself Para Brahman, none could comprehend the Lord.8.

Dasam Granth sahib