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Shabad Hazaarey And Shabad Hazaarey Paatshahi Dasvi

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Vjkk Vjkf sangat Ji,

I wanted to ask what the history of these bania are, I've heard that Shabad hazaarey we're letters to someone but were not sent because someone kept them (or something like that) and I wanted to know if Shabad hazaarey paatshahi dasvi were the same or diffrent ji

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waheguru ji, fourth stanza was uttered by Guru Arjan Dev ji to Guru Ramdas Ji face to face after Guru sahib called back 5ve paatshah as third letter had reached Guru sahib.

I heard from Giani Thakur Singh ji, my apologies if wrong

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waheguru ji, fourth stanza was uttered by Guru Arjan Dev ji to Guru Ramdas Ji face to face after Guru sahib called back 5ve paatshah as third letter had reached Guru sahib.

I heard from Giani Thakur Singh ji, my apologies if wrong

Thank you for correcting me.. That sounds so much more beautiful now :)Giani Thakur Singh Ji must've narrated it very nicely.. Do share if you have the recording or can I look it up on youtube?

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waheguru ji, fourth stanza was uttered by Guru Arjan Dev ji to Guru Ramdas Ji face to face after Guru sahib called back 5ve paatshah as third letter had reached Guru sahib.

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waheguru ji, please don't thank me, heard a long time before. Thanks to you, now I am gonna listen to it again :)

I don't know youtube link, but mp3 audio can be found on the link below:

http://www.gurbaniupdesh.org/multimedia/listing.php?q=f&f=%2F04-Katha%2F13-Giani+Thakur+Singh+Ji+%28Patiala+Wale%29%2FKatha+Selected+Banis+%28Sri+Guru+Granth+Sahib+Ji%29

Under "Katha" folder -Giani Thakur Singh ji Patialewale -Katha Selected Banis (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) -katha Shabad Hajarey

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waheguru ji, please don't thank me, heard a long time before. Thanks to you, now I am gonna listen to it again :)

I don't know youtube link, but mp3 audio can be found on the link below:

http://www.gurbaniupdesh.org/multimedia/listing.php?q=f&f=%2F04-Katha%2F13-Giani+Thakur+Singh+Ji+%28Patiala+Wale%29%2FKatha+Selected+Banis+%28Sri+Guru+Granth+Sahib+Ji%29

Under "Katha" folder -Giani Thakur Singh ji Patialewale -Katha Selected Banis (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) -katha Shabad Hajarey

Wow.. There are so many more there.. Thanks again :)

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The kathaa from Giani jee above is a must! Would definitely recommend it

Been a while since listened to it, buts its very informative e.g. they narrate the above saakhee of when Sodhee PaatShah Sri Guroo Ramdaas Jee Maharaaj jee sent their youngest SahibJadey Sri Guroo Arjun Dev Jee to Lahore after having their earlier requests to Baba PrithiChand and Baba MahaDev refused.

They also talk about the Mahatam of Shabd Hazaray e.g. back in the day a Gursikh's Nitnem used to include this bani along with Shabad Hazaray P10, TwaParsaad Swayey (Deenan kee Pritpal), TwaParsaad Chopai on top of the standard Panj Baniaa.

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This video I found seems to refute the sakhi that Guru Arjan Dev Ji went to his Nanake in Lahore (see from 4:37 minutes in) and that Guru Arjan Dev Ji wrote the last line upon returning to Guru Ram Das Ji because Guru Arjan Dev Ji wasn't Guru at that time, Guru Ram Das Ji was. So therefore Guru Arjan Dev Ji had could not have used Guru Nanak Dev Ji's name because he wasn't the Guru. Only Guru Ramdas had the authority to use Guru Nanak Dev Ji;s name at that time, until the Gurgaddi was passed onto Guru Arjan Dev Ji. Also Professor Sahib Singh Ji's darpan of Guru Granth Sahib Ji states that the sakhi seems to be fictional.

Please can someone elaborate and clear my confusion. For instance is there a Gurdwara in Lahore where these letters were sent from?

Bhul Chuk Maaf.

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This video I found seems to refute the sakhi that Guru Arjan Dev Ji went to his Nanake in Lahore (see from 4:37 minutes in) and that Guru Arjan Dev Ji wrote the last line upon returning to Guru Ram Das Ji because Guru Arjan Dev Ji wasn't Guru at that time, Guru Ram Das Ji was. So therefore Guru Arjan Dev Ji had could not have used Guru Nanak Dev Ji's name because he wasn't the Guru. Only Guru Ramdas had the authority to use Guru Nanak Dev Ji;s name at that time, until the Gurgaddi was passed onto Guru Arjan Dev Ji. Also Professor Sahib Singh Ji's darpan of Guru Granth Sahib Ji states that the sakhi seems to be fictional.

Please can someone elaborate and clear my confusion. For instance is there a Gurdwara in Lahore where these letters were sent from?

Bhul Chuk Maaf.

I vaguely remember Giani Thakur Singh ji clarifying the use of "Nanak" pad in the last para of the bani, that upon Guru Arjan dev ji's return, Guru Ramdas ji gave him gurgaddi and then 5th Guru sahib uttered the last para of bani.

Bhul chuk maaf, someone from sangat might enlighten us more.

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Khalsa Ji,

Some modern Parcharaks refute the purartan Sakhi, on the basis that Satguru said" Bhaag hooya Gur Sant milyah". Modern preachers claim that Guru Arjun Dev Ji had already found Waheguru, through Guru Ram dass Ji. Purartan Gursikhs say that this pankti means, that Guru Arjun Dev Ji has found, through Waheguru, the Guru {who is also a Sant}, i.e. Guru Ram dass Ji is a Guru and a Sant.

All purartan Gursikhs uphold the sakhi; the new preachers refute it.

Waheguru.....

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I wouldn't listen to these charlatens! The so called "scholars" of late are even going to the extent of saying that Satguru Angad Dev Jee wasn't meant to be Guru as SatGuru Nanak didn't want any Gurgaddee. They are attacking the heart of our beliefs by slowly introducing more and more counts.

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