Kundalini Yoga And Yogi Bhajan

[N30S1NGH]

Telling from your response I know you wrote in a haste to insult. Normally I would not entertain, but I am going to help you out with this one last post. You are correct it says jogi in Gurmukhi, but you cannot show me where in Gurbani in Gurmukhi yoga is spelt with a "y`"? It is spelt with a "J". However let's leave your grammar mistakes aside and lets look at the shabad. Also from your response I can tell you did not look to read the whole shabad. At the very beginning the Guru says the five thieves are in the body, but the person always goes out to indulge in them and the person gets robbed. Yoga is the practice to control the five thieves (control mind/open kundalini and so on) and "jogis" also want to control the five thieves, but both groups are unable to through their methods. Yogis try doing it through mundras, postures, breath control, and kriyas, but as Gurbani says they are unsuccessful. After the 5th pauri, which I posted, the sixth pauri goes into detail on how to deal with the five thieves. So to this point in this shabad the Guru is saying jogi and yogis have tried their attempts, but they have failed, However here I will show you the way. The Guru says meditate on God and by Guru grace you will be successful. The Guru has explained this shabad completely. Yogi stop your false methods and with your MIND meditate on God. The key word is Mind.

Lastly the nine forms of worship were being distorted by adding kundalini, kriyas, and other 3HO yoga practices to them, when this is not the case in the Shabad.

Off course by only doing swas swas gras simran aka Kundalini kriya with shabad going through shabad surat abhyaas one cannot kill their panj chors completely they may be able to subdue them while they doing it not destroy them unless both yogi's, gooraknaath shabad surat yogi's, amongst others and our Sikh shabad surat yogi goes to dasam dwar and fall in sun samadhi completely into turiya avastha but without gyan, bhakti there is no mukhti.. that's where prem, bairaag along with 3rd stage - gyan comes in see in above post... in snatan world is jnana stage or yog and in sikhi it's know advait gyan stage.. I already mentioned few times see things in stages it be easy to understand..i tried to give examples.. and I already mentioned Kundalini yoga kriya is not end all or be all for yogi Bhajan's 3ho..it includes prem, bhagti and gyan aspect..only group which is contrary to totality of gurmat based on their beliefs is radhaswamis, other groups who totally ignore gurmat advait stage and beleive in sargun mukhti and their physical realm being ultimate reality.

[luckysingh99]

I'm just going to show some material below that's quite interesting and was very useful for me when I started getting deeper into sikhi in general.

For me personally, it was quite inspiring along with other lectures.

It's references to Yogi Bhajan lectures about gurbani, simran and more importantly the Naad.

Use a Mental Focus:
1. Focus at your third eye point (with your eyes closed...focusing your eyes at the point in between your eyebrows...as if you were really looking at it). This stimulates your master gland; the pituitary gland.
2. Or Focus your eyes on the tip of your nose. This "locks" your mind and keeps you focused. Use this when your mind is always wandering. The focus pulls on the optic nerve which stimulates your pituitary gland (I think that is the one).

Proper Chanting:
When you chant the mantras try your best to pronounce them properly. Don't slurr the words together. Much of the power in Simran is repetition of the mantra.

.(((.....It should actually say about listening to the chanting or the dhuni sound of gurmantar along with focus at trikurti from what I gather, and that is what I would advise to any newbies reading and implementing this.......)))

The following two articles may answer some of your questions:

The Science of Naad & Gurbani
(As explained by Siri Singh Sahib Bhai Sahib Harbhajan Singh Khalsa Yogiji)

Naad means "the essence of all sounds". All languages contain sounds which relate to one or more of the five elements of air, fire,
water, earth or ether. Gurbani is a perfect combination and permutation of sounds relating to all the five elements in complete
balance. When Guru Arjun Dev, the fifth Guru Nanak, compiled the Siri Guru Granth Sahib, in 1604, he put in only those Banis
which were in Naad. These compositions are called Gurbani.

There are eighty-four meridian points on the upper palate of a human's mouth. One can feel that upper palate with the tongue and
experience its different surfaces. There are two rows of meridian points on the upper palate and on the gum behind the upper
teeth. The tongue stimulates those meridian points, and they in turn stimulate the hypothalamus which makes the pineal gland
radiate. When the pineal gland radiates, it creates an impulsation in the pituitary gland. When the pituitary gland gives impulsation,
the entire glandular system secretes and a human being obtains bliss. This is the science.

Gurbani is the combination of the tongue with the meridian points. When you read and recite Gurbani, it stimulates your
hypothalamus. It is totally different than any scriptures because Gurbani is made in a scientific way. There are two banis: "kachee
bani" is that which does not fit on the Naad. It is not a balanced sound current. "Pakee bani" is that which fits on the Naad and is
balanced. One who knows the Naad knows the Aad, the Primal Creativity. One who knows the Aad is Parmayshwaar, the
Supreme God.

The whole language of Gurbani has the power to make a person divine, just in its recitation, if done correctly. One need not be
concerned with the meaning for a change in consciousness. Bani has to be understood by the heart, not by the head. There is no
power in the head, it is in the heart. The head is for God and the heart is for you. That is why Guru Gobind Singh asked for the
head, and not for the heart. Whosoever lives with the head to God and heart for self, that prayer is complete.

The entire Siri Guru Granth Sahib is the calling of the Beloved. It is in Naad. Torah, Bible and Vedas are not in Naad because
none of them felt that much pain of separation between God and the beloved.

Word Definitions
Rensubhai - Continual repetition of Gurbani
Naad - The essence of all sounds
Gurbani - A perfect combination of sounds related to all the 5 elements in complete balance
Bani - That which ??? on the Naad and is balanced

One who knows the naad knows the Aad, which is God.

Siri Guru Granth Sahib
Siri Guru Granth Sahib is the Guru, and it contains the Guru. What is the Guru? It is the formula for
experiencing one's own divinity. Siri Guru Granth Sahib has the power to give one the experience of God
because it is a Siri Guru. Here is the progression: Guru, the one who tells you the truth of the formula,
and Siri Guru, the one who tells you the universality of the formula, the application of the entire applied
formula. Siri Guru Granth Sahib always tells you what you need to hear in order to be able to rise above
the limitations of the particular time and space. Waheguru is the ecstasy of the experience of the
application of the formula. In other words, by doing what the Guru says, you experience the blessing of
that.

The Science of Naad and Gurbani
Naad means "the essence of all sounds." All languages contain sounds which relate to one or more of the
five elements of air, fire, water, earth and ether. Gurbani is a perfect combination and permutation of
sounds relating to all the five elements in complete balance. When Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru Nanak,
compiled Siri Guru Granth Sahib in 1604, he only put in those banis which were in naad. These
compositions were called Gurbani.

When we break up the words, "Siri Guru Granth Sahib," into their naad, the syllables of each word tell the
essence of the meaning of Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Every word has a naad, and every naad has a
combination.

Siri means the entire light of the sun's creativity, Lakshmi. Whatever has been created, whatever is
possibly created, shall be created or can be created, is called siri.

Guru ("Gu" means darkness, and "ru" means light) means from darkness to light, from ignorance to
knowledge. Guru is one who gives you the technology to remove your ignorance about something.

Granth ("gra" means knot, "an" means ultimate, and "naath" means owner, master, God) is that which
creates the ultimate knot with God. Anything which creates the ultimate knot with God is called a granth.
Granth is not a book and can never be a book. Sahib ("saa" means light, infinity, and "hib" means now) is
the totality of here and now.

How Naad Works In Recitation of Gurbani
There are eighty-four meridian points on the upper palate of a human's mouth. One can feel that upper
palate with the tongue and experience its different surfaces. There are two rows of meridian points on the
upper palate and on the gum behind the upper teeth. The tongue stimulates those meridian points, and
they in turn stimulate the hypothalamus which makes the pineal gland radiate. When the pineal gland
radiates, it creates an impulse in the pituitary gland. When the pituitary gland gives impulses, the entire
glandular system secretes and a human being obtains bliss. This is the science.

Gurbani is the combination of the tongue with the meridian points. When you read and recite Gurbani, it
stimulates your hypothalamus. It is totally different than any scriptures because Gurbani is made in a
scientific way. One who knows the naad, knows the aad, which is the primal creativity. One who knows
the aad is Parameshwar, the supreme God.

The whole language of Gurbani has the power to make a person divine, just in its recitation, if done
correctly. One need not be concerned with the meaning to experience a change in consciousness. Bani has
to be understood by the heart, not by the head. There is no power in the head; it is in the heart. The lead
is for God and the heart is for you. That is why Guru Gobind Singh asked for the head, and not for the
heart. "Whosoever lives with head to God and heart for self, that prayer is complete." (Siri Singh Sahib
Yogi Bhajan)

The entire Siri Guru Granth Sahib is the calling of the Beloved. It is in naad. The following are the daily
banis given by Guru Gobind Singh, and which tattvas (element) they relate to:
* Japji, Shabad Hazare Ether
* Jaap Sahib, Tavprasad Swaye Air
* Anand Sahib Fire
* Rehiras (including Bentee Chaupaee) Water
* Kirtan Sohila Earth

These banis should be read from the gutkaa (book of banis), so that one does not get engulfed in one's
thoughtfulness. They are best read, even though one may have them memorized.

Power and Effects of the Daily Banis
Japji Sahib: This bani controls one's "ji," one's soul. When your ji, your being, is endangered, when the
radiance of your soul is weak, recite Japji. Guru Nanak said that the thirty-eight pauris of Japji would
liberate the humanity from the cycles of birth and death.

Shabad Hazare: This is the highest love letter by a disciple, written by Arjan to Guru Ram Das. Its gift is
that it gives the benefits of a thousand shabads, and one's soul will merge directly with God. It makes the
separated ones come home with grace. One who recites this shabad will never be separated from their
beloved.

Jaap Sahib: The naad of Jaap Sahib rouses the soul and the self of the Being. "Sahib" also means grace.
Recite it when your position is endangered, or when your authoritative personality is weak. This bani
brings grace and greatness. It will also give you the ability that, whatever people say, you will
automatically be able to compute what they are actually saying. Once you are able to recite it correctly, it
will give you the power, the siddhi, that whatever you say must happen. Man can direct God, and God
can direct man. Guru Gobind Singh recited Jaap Sahib so we won't become beggars at the doors of others.

Tavprasad Swaye: This bani was spoken by Guru Gobind Singh. When you are not getting any
satisfaction out of life, this is the bani to recite.

Anand Sahib: Whoever recites the forty pauris of Anand Sahib will have endless bliss, because the Guru is
limitless. In this bani, mind and body are explained in relation to cosmic divinity. Guru Amar Das gave us
the song of bliss, which is Anand Sahib, to qualify the mind and to understand the depth. For husband and
wife to get together, recite it together, alternating sutras (lines).

Rehiras Sahib: This bani is recited after one has worked and is tired. It adds energy (raa-hu) to one's
being, to one's total concept. Also, recite it when your principle worldly wealth is endangered. In naad, reh
means live, and raas means commodity, so Rehiraas means living commodity. Rehiras Sahib helps you
when you are physically weak, or weak in money, property and earthly goods.

Kirtan Sohila: This bani is done before sleep at night. It is the most harmonious naad ever uttered. It
multiplies the aura to the sensitivity of protection that it eliminates any negativity for miles and miles.
When you are endangered by any species of direct or indirect source, and when you want to protect
yourself with the surrounding of the entire magnetic field of the earth, recite Kirtan Sohila.

Experiencing and Understanding Gurbani
The Guru's Word (Gurbani) is what the Guru spoke. It is the imprint of the essence of God. It is the
pathway to God. If the ordinary human being speaks it, it will always elevate him to that state of
consciousness of the Guru. The Guru's consciousness is united with God, so the person will automatically
get united with God, if he speaks the same words. It is a scientific and direct way to unite the finite with
the Infinite Consciousness. The hypothalamus will get the same tingling. The impulses of the pituitary will
function the same way and get the other glands to secrete also in the same way as it was in the body of
Guru Nanak.

Gurbani is nothing but a total illustrated, facilitated science of naad for human knowledge. It is an
individual effort. Read Gurbani in the way Guru says it, and understand it, and you will be in such ecstasy
you will not believe it! Concentration on the construction of the word, and the sound is the proper way to
recite Gurbani. As you are creating the sound, the meaning will automatically come to you, now or later. It
is just a matter of time and space. You must listen to your own construction of the Gurbani. This is the
technical way in Naad Yoga.

There are two ways to go about understanding Gurbani. The first is to know the meaning through
purposeful study; and the second is to recite it, and you will automatically understand the meaning
intuitively. Gurbani has to be recited with the tongue, through japa. But, when you read meditatively for
the purpose of understanding the meaning, it is okay.

The Power of the Shabad, Gurbani Kirtan, and Nam Simran
In Siri Guru Granth Sahib each shabad has its own individual domain, power, ridhi (worldly riches), sidhi
(spiritual power), and nau nidhi (nine treasures). All occult powers are there. The recitation of shabads
gives you the power to redeem the environments. Shabad is a part of the power of God, and when the
shabad merges in you, you become God.

The lotus feet of God is the shabad of God. The sound itself will uplift you and take away the disease and
sorrow from within you. Meditate on the lotus feet of God in your heart. The sound of the spirit is the
shabad. Decorate yourself with it. Shabad is the fountain of spirit. It will always keep you flowing and
growing.

The neutral mind records the shabad, the Truth. When your mind is freaking out, the shabad
automatically comes. The shabad has the power to control you and your mind. Otherwise there is no way
you or your mind can be controlled. Shabad brings inner balance. The power of inner balance is the
shabad, and the power of the shabad is inner balance.

When controlled, our minds can create great things, because the power of the mind is also very infinite.
When disciplined, it can change the vibrations and the magnetic psyche of the earth. That is why we come
before Siri Guru Granth Sahib and do kirtan (singing of God's praises). Kirtan is to change the magnetic
psyche of the universe with those vibrations of the Word of the Guru, the naad, so that we can principally
enrich the self in ecstasy.

Nam simran (continuos remembrance of God's Name, of Self) is the preparation for Gurbani. You grind
the ground, make the earth ready, and then you do simran. Simran is gurmantra (mantra given by the
Guru). Khalsa is to recite Waheguru, and a Sikh is to recite Sat Nam. Sat Nam can elevate the
consciousness of any person to Infinity, and Waheguru can bring you the experience of that Infinity. Wha
means Infinite, he means Thou, and guru means self. When chanted, it brings you very near God. Sat
Nam is a panch shabad (mantra containing five parts). Saa means Infinity, taa means birth, naa means
death, and maa means resurrection. Sat Nam is the shabad in which you have superiority over God. God
is a slave in the hand of the devotees. Sat Nam purifies the entire time and space, when you speak it even
once; it does not matter when. It is superior self-power of God. God is remembered by His actions. Nam
simran is a must to prepare for Gurbani to have its effect. It is the complete science of the word and
sound. It changes a human's biological and psychological metabolism of his body, mind, and soul.

Nitnem: Daily Recitation of Guru's Bani
The following is a story which Siri Singh Sahib ji told at Khalsa Women's Training Camp: "There is a
surprising story about my grandmother. She never spoke in a loud voice. I have never seen that woman
offending anybody, and I have never seen a single human being offend her. The respect was so great that
everyone would settle disputes by Mata ji's decision, without going to court. Whatever she would say,
people would accept it as the truth and nothing but the truth. That reputation and non-offensiveness was
built from her perfection of her nitnem, her sadhana and Gurbani.

I am trying to illustrate to you that after a certain age in life, if you do not have nitnem and sadhana, then
you will not churn yourself. When milk is churned, it takes a lot of milk to make a little butter. As milk has
to be churned to make butter, like has to be churned. Gurbani works to churn the brain waves through the
hyp0othalmus. You need not be a Sikh. In India, for example, there are a lot of Hindus and Muslims who
recite Gurbani. Gurbani is for a person who wants to be graceful, a person who wants to be balanced, and
a person who wants to do things by their radiance. A person's presence alone should see the job done."

Nitnem in Gurbani gives you a very powerful meditative mind. It gives you the balance required. Energy
comes to a person from the head, and the head is the distributing center through the spine. It is a must that
when one reads Gurbani, it be done in the correct harmony and rhythm.

It is compulsory for Khalsa to read all the five banis daily. They were given so that a person's incarnated
personality may elevate itself to defend through any negativity or misfortune.

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Just to add a little with regards to this science of kundalini yoga-

In my experience I am simply saying, if we took the time to actually taste this science, rather than falling back on pat, uninformed dismissals of all yoga as self-indulgent, selfish and futile, we can learn that this Kundalini Yoga, is really just an art of extending our prayer and devotion into physical discipline. Done properly, it clears the mind, heightens awareness, strengthens the spine and body, teaches stamina and endurance, and, Yes, it can give a feeling of transcendent joy and spiritual ecstasy which I have experienced at times and cannot describe.

The complete combination of physical and meditatively focused kriyas and movements is just Bliss at times ! :biggrin2:

You see, it is not about empty practicing or wasting your time locked in a corner in some pose but it rather brings all these attributes into engaging the world clearer, stronger and more joyfully.

Which is why I always say that it is and Has been beneficial for my Well-being BOTH Physical and Spiritual.

I am not a salesman trying to convince or sell you this science but I am rather encouraging us to be willing to contemplate higher ways of doing things without dismissing them out of hand because of preconceived notions that may not be true.

We know blind faith and empty practices are not gurmat but we have a habit of carrying these ideas into any associated practices.

Some people claim and moan that we should NOT be reciting gurbani whilst in some physical yoga trance.....etc... But let me tell you this..........-

-I go to the gym and do a whole treadmill whilst I am singing along to a kirtan version of Japji sahib on my ipod. Then I do other workouts and stretches whilst gurbani and kirtan is playing in my headphones.

I may be doing a dance like counting move of 1-2-3 squat...4-5-6 lift the arms with weights...and Repeat ...1-2-3.......................

And I will admit sometimes, quite naturally I shall nod/move my head and arms to the beat of the tabla or chainney in the kirtan and carry on doing this... :wow:

In all honesty tell me... Should I stop doing this ? :omg:

Is it wrong and sacrilege of me ?

Or should I be listening to Chamkila and hip hop instead or sing along to dancing with my Bhabhi or kurri saullaanh saal di instead???

Sorry about the meandering logic, but in the midst of our everyday practice there is always room for more holiness and higher heights. So what's really wrong with this yoga or exercising with gurbani playing?

[savinderpalsingh]

apart from yoga teaching

they are completely into money making .

this guy on facebook exposes them all

https://www.facebook.com/pages/SikhNet-should-apologize/216237598428818?ref=stream

[osingh]

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[stingers12]

why havent puran sants focus on teaching people to do yoga, they have mainly focused on preaching focusing on naam, and also mediation swaas swaas or putting foucs on third eye region that is not yoga they are just technquies you can use,

[N30S1NGH]

Almost all puran sants have used yogic kriyas in one form or another (incorporated with shabad) in one of stage of spiritual life or another.

Here are some example:

Sant nand singh ji did hard tapasaya-parnayam/hatha with shabad in one of his earlier life, see sant nand singh ji picture in yogi form and read his life.

Sant Jvala singh ji harkhowale did hatha yoga incorporated with shabad in his early life time. See- jeevan kirna

Sant attar singh ji reru sahib wale did yogic kriyas incorporated with shabad in his life, when he left his body, he took his pran/surti incorporated with shabad left his body via bhramrandar nari (Vein) which is located near dasam dwar. See- Nau Ratan

Sant isher singh ji rara sahib did various forms of yoga/yogic kriyas incorporated with shabad in his early days and have used one form of yoga or another incorporated with shabad during his sadhana.

He even wrote about it broken them down into different categories for begineers, medium, intermeditate stages- see his own personal dairy- Ishvar Amalok Lal.

Sant teja singh ji rara sahib did yoga incorporated with shabad for many days. There is a picture of him on yoga posture upside down if i post it it be too much for reformist sikhs to fathom and will be taken out of context.

Sant waryam singh ji ratwara sahib highlights many yogic kriyas incorporated with shabad during discourses

Nihang singhs who are attuned with puratan vidya use sanjam kriyas as part of their daily excerise with shabad

Talk to senior taksali gurmukhs no one will reject yoga in totality but only ultra fanatic yoga kriyas/mechnical perceptions is rejected.

There are many more.

So gursant singh research as far as against 3ho yoga goes holds no water at all, Overall 3ho are pretty consistent with traditional sikhi orders (have all three main aspects of sikhi- bhagti, shabad surat, gyan) ... apart of some of hocus pocus stuff they have.

Yes gursant singh research highlights very interesting points regarding politics in 3ho and commerialization of it which is even acknowledged by senior members of 3ho who admit 3ho is not what it used to be during sri singh sahib harbhajan singh yogi time but look around over zealous chelas are root cause of everything- akj is not what it used to be during bhai sahib broken into many factions - we had fist fights/dari grabbing contest between so called gurmukhs in dixie gurdwara between tapoban and akj faction, babar khalsa factions internal divisions, same goes for taksal there are factions and nasty polictcs - intimidation, same goes for nanaksar where there were shooting and nihangs factions with all weaponary.

i have better things to do sit here play group politics, at the end of day bhagti is more important than anything, when i sit in meditation- i zoom out from these groups, cultish perceptions (if people havent de-attached from their group how they going to be de-attached -gurmukh maya vich udasi from this world overall), and this whole world for that matter, and liquidate them into parkriti it diasppears as sri guru tegh bahudar ji says:

ਜਗ ਰਚਨਾ ਸਭ ਝੂਠ ਹੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਲੇਹੁ ਰੇ ਮੀਤ ॥

ਕਹਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਥਿਰੁ ਨਾ ਰਹੈ ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲੂ ਕੀ ਭੀਤਿ ॥49॥

[stingers12]

yea yoga is good but how they do it dancing while reading shabad as shown the vidro posted