Can Someone Tell Me Where This Shabad Is From?

[BritishSingh]

WJKK WJKF,

Can anyone tell me where the 1st shabad that Giani Ji sings in the clip above is from, it is amazing kirtan. I have tried to search on Sikhi to the max but I can't find it.

Please can someone help?

Thank you,

WJKK WJKF

[singhbj singh]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

I don't think it is Gurbani so don't bother.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ॥

Sathiguroo Binaa Hor Kachee Hai Baanee ||

सतिगुरू बिना होर कची है बाणी ॥

Without the True Guru, other songs are false.

7 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੭

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਬਾਣੀ ਤ ਕਚੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥

Baanee Th Kachee Sathiguroo Baajhahu Hor Kachee Baanee ||

बाणी त कची सतिगुरू बाझहु होर कची बाणी ॥

The songs are false without the True Guru; all other songs are false.

7 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੭

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਕਹਦੇ ਕਚੇ ਸੁਣਦੇ ਕਚੇ ਕਚੀ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੀ ॥

Kehadhae Kachae Sunadhae Kachae Kachanaee Aakh Vakhaanee ||

कहदे कचे सुणदे कचे कचीं आखि वखाणी ॥

The speakers are false, and the listeners are false; those who speak and recite are false.

8 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੮

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥

Har Har Nith Karehi Rasanaa Kehiaa Kashhoo N Jaanee ||

हरि हरि नित करहि रसना कहिआ कछू न जाणी ॥

They may continually chant, 'Har, Har' with their tongues, but they do not know what they are saying.

8 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੮

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਚਿਤੁ ਜਿਨ ਕਾ ਹਿਰਿ ਲਇਆ ਮਾਇਆ ਬੋਲਨਿ ਪਏ ਰਵਾਣੀ ॥

Chith Jin Kaa Hir Laeiaa Maaeiaa Bolan Peae Ravaanee ||

चितु जिन का हिरि लइआ माइआ बोलनि पए रवाणी ॥

Their consciousness is lured by Maya; they are just reciting mechanically.

9 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੯

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥੨੪॥

Kehai Naanak Sathiguroo Baajhahu Hor Kachee Baanee ||24||

कहै नानकु सतिगुरू बाझहु होर कची बाणी ॥२४॥

Says Nanak, without the True Guru, other songs are false. ||24||

9 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੯

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

Source - http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/ang/920/line/39441

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http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/search_form

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

[ssinghuk]

Veerjee, you've taken the above shabd totally out of context.

Just because what Giani Gurdev Singh is singing is not Gurbani it does not mean its kachee banee.

Please listen to the video below to discover what kachee banee is:

[luckysingh99]

Ssinghuk, -I'm sorry but nothing is out of context.

Kachi bani means that it is NOT the true word of Shabad guru and our normal bani becomes kachi when people dilute it and add there own words or refrains.

Ranjit Singh above is also a very suitable candidate for kachi bani and I have heard him do it live !!!- He was adding ''Ucha dar babe nanak da'' in between shabads. There is nothing wrong with doing this on tape or outside the Gurdwara, BUT when in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib ji, then kachi or diluted bani should NOT be practiced.

Also, as in the op video, one shouldn't be singing other poetry in the same kirtan style whilst in presence of Guruji. AND- KIRTAN can only be called Kirtan if it is from the Guru Granth sahibji, Bhai Gurdas ji or Bhai Nand Laa ji., anything else is NOT kirtan and this includes other works of all the Bhagats that are not in SGGSji.

I think I understand what kachi bani is, so if you want to ask more and are not sure then please do so and I shall try and answer to the best of my knowledge.

[tuhintuhin]

http://kam1825.podbean.com/2013/05/21/sachi-and-kachi-bani/

[ssinghuk]

Ssinghuk, -I'm sorry but nothing is out of context.

Kachi bani means that it is NOT the true word of Shabad guru and our normal bani becomes kachi when people dilute it and add there own words or refrains.

Ranjit Singh above is also a very suitable candidate for kachi bani and I have heard him do it live !!!- He was adding ''Ucha dar babe nanak da'' in between shabads. There is nothing wrong with doing this on tape or outside the Gurdwara, BUT when in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib ji, then kachi or diluted bani should NOT be practiced.

Also, as in the op video, one shouldn't be singing other poetry in the same kirtan style whilst in presence of Guruji. AND- KIRTAN can only be called Kirtan if it is from the Guru Granth sahibji, Bhai Gurdas ji or Bhai Nand Laa ji., anything else is NOT kirtan and this includes other works of all the Bhagats that are not in SGGSji.

I think I understand what kachi bani is, so if you want to ask more and are not sure then please do so and I shall try and answer to the best of my knowledge.

Veerjee, you obviously haven't listened to the video in which Baba Ranjit Singh clearly outlines what is kachee banee. TuhinTuhin has also provided you with more material describing what kachee banee is and isn't (though I've not had the opportunity to listen to this yet).

By your thinking, kaveesharees and dhadi vaaran are also culprits for kachee banee?

[MokhamSingh]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

I don't think it is Gurbani so don't bother.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ॥

Sathiguroo Binaa Hor Kachee Hai Baanee ||

सतिगुरू बिना होर कची है बाणी ॥

Without the True Guru, other songs are false.

7 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੭

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਬਾਣੀ ਤ ਕਚੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥

Baanee Th Kachee Sathiguroo Baajhahu Hor Kachee Baanee ||

बाणी त कची सतिगुरू बाझहु होर कची बाणी ॥

The songs are false without the True Guru; all other songs are false.

7 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੭

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਕਹਦੇ ਕਚੇ ਸੁਣਦੇ ਕਚੇ ਕਚੀ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੀ ॥

Kehadhae Kachae Sunadhae Kachae Kachanaee Aakh Vakhaanee ||

कहदे कचे सुणदे कचे कचीं आखि वखाणी ॥

The speakers are false, and the listeners are false; those who speak and recite are false.

8 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੮

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥

Har Har Nith Karehi Rasanaa Kehiaa Kashhoo N Jaanee ||

हरि हरि नित करहि रसना कहिआ कछू न जाणी ॥

They may continually chant, 'Har, Har' with their tongues, but they do not know what they are saying.

8 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੮

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਚਿਤੁ ਜਿਨ ਕਾ ਹਿਰਿ ਲਇਆ ਮਾਇਆ ਬੋਲਨਿ ਪਏ ਰਵਾਣੀ ॥

Chith Jin Kaa Hir Laeiaa Maaeiaa Bolan Peae Ravaanee ||

चितु जिन का हिरि लइआ माइआ बोलनि पए रवाणी ॥

Their consciousness is lured by Maya; they are just reciting mechanically.

9 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੯

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥੨੪॥

Kehai Naanak Sathiguroo Baajhahu Hor Kachee Baanee ||24||

कहै नानकु सतिगुरू बाझहु होर कची बाणी ॥२४॥

Says Nanak, without the True Guru, other songs are false. ||24||

9 ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੯

Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das

Source - http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/ang/920/line/39441

Instead of Sikhitothemax use

http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/search_form

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Khalsa Ji,

When a Gursikh says "Waheguru is great", no one minds, since it is within Gurmat to say this; when a Gursikh "sings" this, he/she is considered by some, as anti-Gurmat. The only difference here, is "speaking" and "singing".

5th Patshahi rejected the bani of chajoo and kaana etc., since it did not conform to Gurmat. Chajoo and kaana etc. said: that those who died at childbirth are luckier than those alive, since life is difficult. Females are evil and should be shunned at all times. One should not speak ever; must keep silent always.

Satguru rejected their bani, since: Gurmat is all about living, and facing the challenges of life, with Naam. Females cannot be shunned, since reproduction would never take place. Keeping silent does'nt stop desires taking place; our mann is always speaking, whether we are or not...

That is the definition of "kachi bani"....

Any explanation of Gurmat, whether spoken or sung with a chimta, is not kachi bani...

Waheguru....

[DSGj]

Ssinghuk, -I'm sorry but nothing is out of context.

Kachi bani means that it is NOT the true word of Shabad guru and our normal bani becomes kachi when people dilute it and add there own words or refrains.

Ranjit Singh above is also a very suitable candidate for kachi bani and I have heard him do it live !!!- He was adding ''Ucha dar babe nanak da'' in between shabads. There is nothing wrong with doing this on tape or outside the Gurdwara, BUT when in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib ji, then kachi or diluted bani should NOT be practiced.

Also, as in the op video, one shouldn't be singing other poetry in the same kirtan style whilst in presence of Guruji. AND- KIRTAN can only be called Kirtan if it is from the Guru Granth sahibji, Bhai Gurdas ji or Bhai Nand Laa ji., anything else is NOT kirtan and this includes other works of all the Bhagats that are not in SGGSji.

I think I understand what kachi bani is, so if you want to ask more and are not sure then please do so and I shall try and answer to the best of my knowledge.

First of all, one should know that AKJ doesn't sing kachi-bani. If you knew anything about AKJ, you would know that. Just because it's Giani Gurdev Singh Jee or AKJ, people start hating. Do you also know that Giani Gurdev Singh Jee has done Keertan at Darbar Sahib, Bangla Sahib, etc? So please leave the random politics out of this.

Second of all, it is very interesting Lucky Singh Jee, that you left out Dasam Granth Sahib and Sarbloh Granth Sahib out of your list of what can be sung in Keertan and what is Gurbani. Very similar to a video of missionaries like Dhunda misleading the Sangat. Akal Takhat Sahib and Mahan Kosh are very clear on this subject...

As per Sikh Rehat Maryada:

Chapter V - Kirtan

Article VI - Kirtan (Devotional Hymn Singing by a Group or an individual)

a. Only a Sikh may perform kirtan in a congregation.

b. Kirtan means singing and scriptural compositions in traditional musical measures.

c. In the congregation, kirtan only of Gurbani (Guru Granth’s or Guru Gobind Singh’s hymns) and, for its

elaboration, of the compositions of Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lal, may be performed.

d. It is improper, while singing hymns to rhythmic folk tunes or to traditional musical measures, or in team

singing, to induct into them improvised and extraneous refrains. Only a line from the hymn should be a

refrain.

ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ

ਗੁਰਬਾਨੀ - ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ- ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕਦੇਵ ਅਤੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ. ਅਕਾਲੀ ਬਾਣੀ, ਜੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਦ੍ਵਾਰਾ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ. "ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਇਸੁ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਚਾਨਣੁ." (ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੩) "ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਹਰਿਨਾਮ ਸਮਾਇਆ." (ਗਉ ਮਃ ੪) ਦੇਖੋ, ਗੁਰੁਬਾਨੀ

ਗੁਰੁਬਾਣੀ

ਗੁਰੁਬਾਨੀ - ਦੇਖੋ, ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ. "ਗੁਰੁਬਾਣੀ ਕਹੈ ਸੇਵਕ ਜਨ ਮਾਨੈ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ." (ਨਟ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੪) #ਸੁਧਾ ਕੀ ਤਰੰਗਿਨੀ ਸੀ ਰੋਗ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਭੰਗਨੀ ਹੈ #ਮਹਾਸ੍ਵੇਤ ਰੰਗਨੀ ਮਹਾਨ ਮਨ ਮਾਨੀ ਹੈ। #ਕਿਧੌਂ ਯਹਿ ਹੰਸਨੀ ਸੀ ਮਾਨਸਵਤੰਸਨੀ ਹੈ #ਗੁਨਿਨ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਸਨੀ ਸਰਬ ਜਗ ਜਾਨੀ ਹੈ। #ਕਿਧੌਂ ਚੰਦ ਚਾਂਦਨੀ ਸੀ ਮੋਹਘਾਮ ਮੰਦਨੀ ਹੈ #ਰਿਦੈ ਕੀ ਅਨੰਦਨੀ ਸਦੀਵ ਸੁਖਦਾਨੀ ਹੈ। #ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਟਰਾਨੀ ਸ੍ਯਾਨੀ ਗ੍ਯਾਨ ਕੀ ਜਨਨਿ ਜਾਨੀ #ਗੁਨੀ ਭਨੀ ਬਾਨੀ ਤਾਂਕੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੁਬਾਨੀ ਹੈ। #(ਨਾਪ੍ਰ) #੨. ਕਰਤਾਰ ਸੰਬੰਧੀ ਬਾਣੀ. "ਰਾਤੀ ਜਾਇ ਸੁਣੈ ਗੁਰੁਬਾਣੀ." (ਭਾਗੁ)

ਕਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ - ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ- ਅਮਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਕੇਵਲ ਵਾਕ੍ਯਰਚਨਾ। ੨. ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਸਿੱਧਾਂਤ ਤੋਂ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ ਬਾਣੀ. "ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਹੋਰ ਕਚੀ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ." (ਅਨੰਦੁ)

[DSGj]

Thirdly,

Giani Gurdev SIngh Jee is singing lines from Bhai Nand Lal Jee's Rehatnama.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਗੁਰਜਾਪਏੇਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਕਰਧਿਆਨ

ਮੁਕਤਲਾਭਸੋਹੋਇਹੈਂਗੁਰਸਿਖਰਿਦਿਮਹਿਮਾਨ॥ (੪੦)

And as per Sikh Rehat Maryada:

c. In the congregation, kirtan only of Gurbani (Guru Granth’s or Guru Gobind Singh’s hymns) and, for its
elaboration, of the compositions of Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lal, may be performed.

Here is a link to the composition: http://searchgurbani.com/bhai_nand_lal/rahitnama

[N30S1NGH]

We also need to read uthanka(historical event) behind gurbani talking about kachi bani to understand more about what is kachi bani.

Nevertheless, Kachi bani would be mixing deliberately one's own writing within gurbani stanzas via editing- audio/visual/video or any other form for that matter. Rest are all dharnas, kavita sung in prem of sargun/nirgun akaal purkh.

Here is the recent example of kachi bani..its from this pseduo chelas of this pseudo kusant trying to mimic/infuse his own name in gurbani.

Here is the picture..this is prime example of kachi bani: